I have been doing some research and found that diets with the same amount of calories consisting of high protein and high fat experience more weight loss than diets consisting of high protein low fat and more carbs. I'm a bit confused if fats are better than worse than carbohydrates.
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02-23-2012, 12:03 PM #1
What is the difference between carbohydrates and fat?
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02-23-2012, 12:09 PM #2
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Not exactly.*
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* See: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0804748
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02-23-2012, 12:11 PM #3
"In nutrition, one component of inefficiency is measured in thermogenesis (thermic effect of feeding), or the heat generated in processing food. There is a large literature on this subject and the general conclusion, as summarized in a recent review by Jéquier [15], is that thermic effects of nutrients is approximately 2–3 % for lipids, 6–8 % for carbohydrates, and 25–30% for proteins. "
and "An example is the recent demonstration of metabolic advantage in a small, pilot study [7] which, despite its preliminary status, was extremely well controlled. Three groups were studied: A low carbohydrate group (LoCHO = 1800 kcal for men; 1500 kcal for women), a low fat group (LoFat, 1800 and 1500); a third group also consumed a low carbohydrate diet but an additional 300 kcalories were provided (LoCHO+300, 2100 and 1800). The order of average amount of weight lost was LoCHO = 23 lbs, LoCHO+300 = 20 lbs LoFat = 17 lbs."
from
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174324
basically, the differences of fat loses was due to entropy using the second law of thermodynamics.
couple other quotes from a different source
Manninen states that “6 mol ATP is consumed during the synthesis of 1 mol glucose from pyruvate or lactate. The transformation of gluconeogenic amino acids into glucose requires even more energy because 4 mol ATP is needed to dispose of the nitrogen as urea” (Manninen and Feinman) Therefore, it is impossible to state that every energy transformation function from carbohydrates, proteins, and fats will yield the same efficiency. In addition, the complex process of breaking down proteins which includes, “synthesis, folding, targeting regulatory processes, and protein breakdown have an overall cost to body energy homeostatic that is significantly higher”Rugby brah
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02-23-2012, 12:18 PM #4
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^ I presume you have not read the full-text of the study you cite. The conclusion is highly relevant:
Conclusion
The main pathways to obesity mainly depend on environmental and behavioral factors which influence gene expression. Except the very rare cases of monogenic origin, obesity results from a polygenic disorder. The mechanisms by which environmental factors interact with regulatory pathways in the polygenic forms of obesity are yet to be discovered. A simplified view emphasizes the importance of lipid balance. Factors that favour fat intake and those that inhibit fat oxidation are likely to promote excessive weight gain. Recent evidence, however, suggests that high-fat diets are not sufficient to explain the rise in prevalence of obesity.
Among individuals consuming a high-fat diet, those with a high capacity to oxidize fat appear to have a low risk of weight gain. Further research is needed to better understand how fat balance is regulated and to develop new drugs aiming at decreasing fat intake or stimulating fat oxidation. It is also worth remembering that the most efficient way to stimulate fat oxidation is physical activity of moderate intensity and
long duration.
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02-23-2012, 12:31 PM #5
ok also from this source i pointed out
"Actual nutrient intakes from food records during the VLCK (%carbohydrate:fatrotein = ~9:63:28%) and the LF (~58:22:20%) were significantly different. Dietary energy was restricted, but was slightly higher during the VLCK (1855 kcal/day) compared to the LF (1562 kcal/day) diet for men. Both between and within group comparisons revealed a distinct advantage of a VLCK over a LF diet for weight loss, total fat loss, and trunk fat loss for men (despite significantly greater energy intake)." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15533250Rugby brah
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02-23-2012, 12:38 PM #6
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The LF diet has lower intake of protein compared the VLCK. The outcome would likely be very different if both diets contained comparable intake of of protein.
Standard diabetic exchange lists were used to ensure a constant energy and macronutrient balance of protein (~20% energy), fat (~25% energy), and carbohydrate (~55% of energy) during the LF diet. The LF diet was also designed to contain <10% saturated fat and <300 mg cholesterol (i.e., a Step-I diet). Foods encouraged during the LF diet included whole grains (breads, cereals, and pastas), fruit/fruit juices, vegetables, vegetable oils, and low-fat dairy and meat products. We developed customized diabetic exchange lists for the VLCK diet period in order to ensure a constant energy and balance of protein (~30% energy), fat (~60% energy), and carbohydrate (~10% of energy) throughout the day.
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02-23-2012, 12:38 PM #7
sorry this was my source for the feinman source
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/Rugby brah
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Dont eat for a month till ur about 130 pounds with no muscle. Go shop at ambercrombie and fitch, buy $80 shirts, $120 dollar pants, and $50 dollar thong sandles. Jell ur hair up like a pretty boy. Dress like a flaming homosexual. Have your parents buy you a bmw. And most importantly walk around like you have a dik up ur azz and talk with a lisp...You do that and you'll get more beaver than a mountain man
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02-23-2012, 12:40 PM #8Rugby brah
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Dont eat for a month till ur about 130 pounds with no muscle. Go shop at ambercrombie and fitch, buy $80 shirts, $120 dollar pants, and $50 dollar thong sandles. Jell ur hair up like a pretty boy. Dress like a flaming homosexual. Have your parents buy you a bmw. And most importantly walk around like you have a dik up ur azz and talk with a lisp...You do that and you'll get more beaver than a mountain man
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02-23-2012, 12:43 PM #9
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02-23-2012, 12:48 PM #12
Some fat ie peanut butter is good. Some carbs like veggies and wheat sourced are good. A healthy diet and good exercise are key to losing weight. Good rule of thumb if it had eyes and it's not fried it's good meat. If it's green it will keep you lean. If it's white it's not right meaning bleached or enriched. Plus stay away from sugary drinks.
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02-23-2012, 12:58 PM #15
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obviously theres studies that support both sides but different things work for different people...some people respond to carbs others respond well to fats
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02-23-2012, 12:58 PM #16
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02-23-2012, 01:04 PM #17
Well, I'm just curious trying to understand the differences between carbohydrates and fats. My mom is a pharmacist, and so she is always telling me fats are bad *lead to heart disease artery clots etc) But, there is evidence that saturated fat is not linked to heart disease, but carbohydrates is rather. I'm trying to write a research paper explaining diets to college students. I look around online and I see evidence supporting like both sides so I'm confused about which is worse fats or carbs. I mean if I'm trying to bulk up I need to eat a lot of carbs or fats as well as a high protein diet. but hey I'm also new to researching nutrition. In my paper, I explained itfym and using the first/second law of thermodynamics as of now these two laws are both correct right? I'm trying to figure out what is based on facts and proven, and what is wish washie.
Rugby brah
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IB in NY 2014 *hit me up if you are in NY
Dont eat for a month till ur about 130 pounds with no muscle. Go shop at ambercrombie and fitch, buy $80 shirts, $120 dollar pants, and $50 dollar thong sandles. Jell ur hair up like a pretty boy. Dress like a flaming homosexual. Have your parents buy you a bmw. And most importantly walk around like you have a dik up ur azz and talk with a lisp...You do that and you'll get more beaver than a mountain man
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02-23-2012, 01:05 PM #18
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02-23-2012, 01:21 PM #19
which conclusion is this? Jéquier measure of the thermogenesis was used as a basis for Feinman's article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/. Feinman's article is giving support for the second law of thermodynamics.
both laws of thermodynamics hold for nutrition correct?Rugby brah
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