I just got my 1, 4 andro (Iforce nutrition Bold) and Dhea from bb.com. Just wondering is the Iforce Nutrition Bold 1.4 AD as effective as NORANDRODIOL SELECT ERGOPHARM 300. I want real opinions from people who have actually tried, 1, 4 AD or DHEA.
Also how should I use these in conjuntion with other supplements. I plan on running a HAVOC (Epistane) a prohormone. Should I use the 1 4 ad and dhea in my pct???? OR Should I after my cycle wait a month and ran these together, 1,4 AD, Rebound Reloaded, and DHEA.
Let me know please you guys on the best possible use of these supplements.
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Thread: 1,4 ad and dhea
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02-17-2007, 03:20 PM #1
1,4 ad and dhea
With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
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02-17-2007, 03:40 PM #2
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With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 03:43 PM #3
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02-17-2007, 04:00 PM #4
so im thinkig of getting another bottle cause boldenone is hard to fine,
But in regard to the Bold 1, 4 ad should I run it with a pro hormone, after, or alone....
Still people I need those questions at top answers if yall can. ThanksWith the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 04:08 PM #5With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 04:44 PM #6
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02-17-2007, 04:48 PM #7With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 04:52 PM #8
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02-17-2007, 04:54 PM #9
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02-17-2007, 04:58 PM #10
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02-17-2007, 05:00 PM #11With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 05:10 PM #12
Alright, lets break down each supplement shall we? Bold is a very mild and low class pro-hormone just like winztrol or mega-zol. However, he recommended you to run it at 500mg. It is so weak that it needs to be taken in higher doses. Now, i'm not saying that higher doses is much worse, but its just more your liver needs to process. That guy is talking like if something isn't methylated then its deemed safe. It is true, un-methylated pro-hormones are much much safer on your liver and lipid values however, they are still mildy toxic to the liver. Especially when you are running them at high doses, then the liver toxicity starts adding up. And adding superdrol in for three weeks isn't smart just because.. well.. its superdrol. Nothing to explain there.
Now lets taken in the HPTA shutdown factor. Six weeks isn't too long of a cycle compared to injections or an old 1-AD recommended cycle. During the first weeks of tren and bold, you will notice some mild shutdown. Shutdown is expectd with all steriods. Alright so what? Well once you add in one of the harshest pro-hormones ever made to the end of the cycle, you are shutting your self down even further. Not as bad as if you run it for four weeks but i'll get to that in a second.
Now lets talk superdrol length. I took superdrol my first time, and I started gaining about 1lb a day after 2.5 weeks up until I stopped. Some report 1lb a day for the first 10 days but most don't see it until 2.5 weeks. Thereby, lessening the gains you will be able to aquire in a three week superdrol cycle as appose to a four.
You probibly remember me running phera and then superdrol as a bridged stack. I can honestly say it was dumb and the sides weren't worth it. I can honestly say you will see more if you ran Tren and Bold together or just superdrol alone. More isn't always better.
Hope that helps, I am not flaming any of you. Just my opinon on the subject.
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02-17-2007, 05:21 PM #13
You make a point, however, Lets not forget PCT and support supplements Ie, Clomid, Cycle Support, Nolva, and so fourth...
You running Phera-bridging to-SD is not in the same league as running Bold and Trenadrol-bridging to-SD.
Phera & SD are not much different as far as toxicity.
Bold at 500MG per day is roughly about 50MG of targeted conversion to Boldenone per day. Thats not bad- over a 12 week period.
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02-17-2007, 05:24 PM #14
bump
lets keep this goingWith the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 05:25 PM #15
Well, yes there is truth there you bring up. Cycle support does help for sure. I use it with every cycle and its great. But, a steriod is more powerfull than natural herbs. They are only there to help, they will not do an extreme amount of work. As far as pct. If he goes the nolva route, which I hope he does, It is also toxic to the liver. In my opinon, it is more toxic than bold or tren but less than superdrol, however studys show it has a postivie effect on the blood lipids.
My bridged stack was dumb and if I ran them seperately, I would have gained more. They are both toxic but a one week bridge helps. It was just too long and too hard of a cycle.
PeopleChamp, you should just either run bold + tren, or superdrol. I am sure you will see great and similiar gains from both but there is no reason to bridge stack them. You have your whole life ahead of you! Be responsible!
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02-17-2007, 05:28 PM #16
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02-17-2007, 05:33 PM #17
Peopleschamp, if this is your first cycle Sam has a point. Personally, I wouldn't use SD. Only oral out there I would take is Havoc at this point- along with real gear.
Ergomax LMG isn't bad either. Maybe this:
Dosing:
Week 1:
Bold 500mg
Week 2:
Bold 500mg
Week 3:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 4:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 5:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 6:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Bold should be ran longer than 6 weeks however.
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02-17-2007, 05:34 PM #18
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02-17-2007, 05:37 PM #19With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 05:46 PM #20
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02-17-2007, 05:48 PM #21
NOt I will not be running Tren or SD
The only supps I will use are HAVOC, BOLD, and DHEA
So in regard to that what is the best.....With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 06:07 PM #22
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02-17-2007, 06:13 PM #23
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02-17-2007, 06:30 PM #24
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02-17-2007, 06:34 PM #25
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02-17-2007, 07:33 PM #26
so basically I should return the BOLD and DHEA and just run the HAVOC standalone with my support supps and pct.
True?With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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02-17-2007, 10:20 PM #27
You could run a mild dose of DHEA while on Havoc but the Havoc is already extremely powerful. Superdrol is about 800% as anabolic as natural test while Havoc proved to be 1100%. A nickle short of M1T. Seems like a pretty powerfull compound with one hell of a estrogen fighter. As for bold, you can just run it as a stand alone if you would like later on down the road as a supplement at a very mild dose.
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03-05-2007, 03:50 PM #28
Wow never know HAVOC was almost as powerful as M1T, then why do people use m1t since it is so harsh instead why dont they use havoc or epistane.
I just want to know is it good idea to preoload for 10 days or a week 1, 4 AD Bold from IforceNutrition, or no should I use it after HAVOC. I want to use it before I start my cycle, let me know if I should or not or wait until after. Please I need to know cause I plan to start my havoc on spring breakWith the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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03-07-2007, 08:40 PM #29
change of plans, not running ph now..please help
I think for health and financial reasons right now I will wait until the summer probably to run HAVOC. I will have more money in the summer and more time, I dont want to run my first ph with the added stress of school and exams. I want everything to be perfect in regard to support supps, nutriton, and training and think in the summer I can dedicate myself fully to bodybuilding. I am going to work with these supps right now for spring break and want some suggestions. This is my stack:
1, 4 AD BOLD (IforceNutrition)
Higher Power DHEA
Rebound Reloaded
Tribex Trib.
BSN Cell Mass Creatine
Nitro Tech Protein
Animal Pak Vitamin
(and since I already started them) also
Hawthrone Berry
Liver 52
How many mg or g of the DHEA should I use for it to be effective? I will probably get another bottle of BOLD and run it at 600mg a day. Just want some suggestions please fellas help me out.With the increase in cardio and boxing/mma training I am staying at 175-185lbs compared to 215-230lbs. Will post recent pics soon. Since I will not fight until 6 months from now I will gain some muscle weight and worry about cutting weight later.
_____________________________________________
The Incredible Hulk - 'Feel Like A Monster'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmxgnMADPA
Best MMA Highlights Ever--This song gets me fkn pumped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinXYYdfQuA
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03-08-2007, 06:03 AM #30
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