Ronnie disses Phil and today's pros

[flahexer]

The Ronnie vs Jay years were highly competative.

[knicksrbake]

just gained more respect for ronnie. goat gonna goat

[jamesyboi]

LMAO what ive been saying...his style BROKE him. only took 4yrs for ronnie to look like complete $$hit (after retirement).

Agree.

Dexter (at a similar age) looks allot better (IMO)

[wessmen]

LMAO what ive been saying...his style BROKE him. only took 4yrs for ronnie to look like complete $$hit (after retirement).

Whats wrong with his training? Looking into "Cost of Redemption" you can see him doing high reps, no lock-outs.

The insane clips we can see on youtube was just showing off.

After all - he reigned from 98-05, with almost no injury.

[fretslayer]

As a fan of the sport, I'd much rather look at Phil Heath, Or Rhoden than Ronnie on his best day. I realize I'm in the minority on that one around here.

[MAX.MAREK]

Agree.

Dexter (at a similar age) looks allot better (IMO)

totally! look at dennis james aswell! tony freeman, troy A., and many more. Ronnies mass monster training style got the better of him in the end (it's sad). he has an amazing physique from 98-01. after that, doooown hill when the size started to really increase.

[Zachary533]

The one line quote comes of arrogant, but I'm sure it's not like it seems.

Ronnie is the GOAT, he is entitled to say this... but we all know you are the greatest bro, so no need to get in on the mud-sling fest with the rest of the drama queen IFBB leaches


*cough* Bob C *cough*

[BlackNumero]

Whats wrong with his training? Looking into "Cost of Redemption" you can see him doing high reps, no lock-outs.

The insane clips we can see on youtube was just showing off.

After all - he reigned from 98-05, with almost no injury.

I dunno...I think his lat imbalance was apparent throughout his entire reign.

[stealth_swimmer]

Arnold also did it with Yates saying we had a Mr Olympia who can't or hasn't said a word.

Bad sportsmanship.

That's not a diss, that's the truth. Dorian was very quiet during his reign as Mr. Olympia. He would go right back to England after winning and wasn't very known for traveling much (yes he did guest pose and stuff, he just wasn't known for doing it as much as other pros, let alone other Olympia winners)

edit - and agreed with other folks that lots of pros these days look stellar and *do* have a wow-factor (just not the same *type* of wow-factor Ronnie had). Plenty of pros look great and I prefer the way they look over Ronnie. Ronnie pushed the limits of his body, which got him to the top but was also his downfall, and that downfall wasn't pretty.

[stealth_swimmer]

Yeah made him the best ever, he should have trained differently.

So wobbly front squats, swaying T-bar rows, and 800 pound deadlifts a few weeks out from competition are what made him the best? Are you saying that if he lifted *any* safer whatsoever, that he would not be the best? I find that hard to believe, personally.

[ismashhoes]

Well he isnt lying... And he speaks truth theres no wow factor like ronnie had.

But they shouldnt be dissed.

Good post bro

[Canuck77]

As a fan of the sport, I'd much rather look at Phil Heath, Or Rhoden than Ronnie on his best day. I realize I'm in the minority on that one around here.

I hear ya brah...I respect Ronnie and Dorian for their freaky size(s) and what they achieved in the sport but I would much rather look at Phil, Kai '12, Dex, Cutler '01/'09, Ray, Flex, Levrone et., ...only year I liked Ronnie was '98...just my personal opinion and taste is all..

Dorian and Ronnie were forced to retire due to the numerous injuries that they suffered by training so insanely heavy...Would they have still reached the same freaky size had they trained more "carefully" or "smarter"...no one will ever know...

[rippedaspirer]

Well if Phil can say the things he said after winning his second Mr.O then its fair to say Ronnie can have his say.

[DomzyCuttin]

Mcmillan and Rhoden are the only pro's I find have something different about them, the rest just seem very bland.

Statments like this are pulled out of ass holes... Yeah Kai and Phil have NOTHING special... Eduardo, Roelly... Pftt Bland. Dennis wolf... Dime a dozen. Its one thing to say so and so has this or that weakness... To say theres 2 current pros with anything interesting about them... Use your imagination for 3 seconds...

[DomzyCuttin]

I dunno...I think his lat imbalance was apparent throughout his entire reign.

An imbalance doesnt usually indicate an injury. Alot of people, pros and shmoes have different size/shape in certain muscles. And just because the same side started to atrophy due to injury doesnt mean that there was an underlying injury there all along. It could be coincidence, or there could have been a vulnerability due to a difference in his nervous tissue on that one side, which again doesnt mean there was an injury at that time.

[LOZZDOG]

What does it matter how Ronnie looks now? He no longer competes and I bet he is still on high amounts of sups. The only guy who is close to his age is Toney Freeman. Ronnie has 5 years on Dex and DJ.

No BBer can ever win on these forums. Ronnie was the greatest of his time and he did what he had to, and everyone loved watching him on stage and in his training videos, and now people complain about the way he did things? Shiiit man its like people just love to complain at any given opportunity. Im not saying you have to say good things about everyone, But i think Ronnie has every right to say what he did.

[stealth_swimmer]

What does it matter how Ronnie looks now? He no longer competes and I bet he is still on high amounts of sups. The only guy who is close to his age is Toney Freeman. Ronnie has 5 years on Dex and DJ.

No BBer can ever win on these forums. Ronnie was the greatest of his time and he did what he had to, and everyone loved watching him on stage and in his training videos, and now people complain about the way he did things? Shiiit man its like people just love to complain at any given opportunity. Im not saying you have to say good things about everyone, But i think Ronnie has every right to say what he did.

I don't think the amount of supps has to do with why Ronnie looks the way he does. If it were simply that, then he'd have similar proportions but just smaller. And actually, though I found it cool that Ronnie could lift so heavy, I never thought it was actually a good idea for him to be doing that, ever. It's not like I loved that and then switched after he got injured. I've always felt it was a bit reckless.

[LOZZDOG]

I don't think the amount of supps has to do with why Ronnie looks the way he does. If it were simply that, then he'd have similar proportions but just smaller. And actually, though I found it cool that Ronnie could lift so heavy, I never thought it was actually a good idea for him to be doing that, ever. It's not like I loved that and then switched after he got injured. I've always felt it was a bit reckless.

I dont mean its just the sups. But i imagine it will be hard for him to stop training the way he did during off season. And with no contest to actually get into shape for over the 4 years its just got to much. Thats just my guess anyway. And i agree with you, But you cant have the best of both worlds! What he brought to BBing was crazy. Im not his biggest fan either, im not nut hugging. Lol. Prefer a lot of other BBers to him.

[Hardbody316]

if jay comes in next olympia as a mass monster he will dwarf everyone on stage (in terms of size) now think of that..and remember that ronnie used to make jay his BI*CH for years...therefore ronnie is correct and can say whatever the phuck he wants

[GBLynden]

I was never a Ronnie fan and each year was always hoping he would lose. He is dumb as a box of rocks and was not a good poser. Lucky for him he was able to build muscle like no other and is probably the GOAT whether I like it or not. He would also likely beat Phil, but I am curious to see what him, Kai, and Phil would look like next to each other. Phil with his 3D look might be something we are underestimating. Somerhing tells me that Ronnie is just mad he past his prime and can't let go of the past.

[MaKaiser]

He is dumb as a box of rocks.

He has a degree in accounting. So I wouldnt be to quick to judge someone you probably have never met.

[Loctus]

lol. 15 years from now we'll all be like "man, the late '00 and early '10 were such a great time for bodybuilding. We had Cutler, Coleman, Wolf, Dexter, Martinez, Warren, Heath, Kai, Rhoden, Centopani, Freeman. Now all we got are those ugly lumps of mass monsters"

[Flex500]

Agree.

Dexter (at a similar age) looks allot better (IMO)

LMAO what ive been saying...his style BROKE him. only took 4yrs for ronnie to look like complete $$hit (after retirement).

Ronnie is almost 50 years old (48 or 49 I believe). Someone brought up dexter and he is 43. Those 5 years make a pretty big difference not to mention it is MUCH harder to maintain that "look" when you are the biggest bodybuilder of all time. Plus some people age better than others. Cutler looked great post surgery...some don't age as well.

I mean at 42ish ronnie won the 2005 mr. olympia at what some people think was his top 3 looks ever







this also goes way farther than just training style. Look at toney freeman. he is a health nut. He ever see the guy eat? His former trainer and cousin works out at my gym. The dude is insane with every aspect of his health. He isn't popping cholesterol meds, prescription liver support meds, and blood pressure meds because his health is farking impeccable.

ronnie doesn't strike me as someone that health conscious.

[FlabbyAndSick]

The depth of competitors is weak but there are still a few stand out guys. Ronnie shouldnt diss anyones training style really,look what his did to him

8 Mr. Olympias

[FlabbyAndSick]

There's more wow factor today than there was from the early 2000's to 2010.

The Ronnie vs Jay years were a joke.

The "Ronnie vs Jay" years were a joke? Well, many of those years included Cormier, Leverone, and/or Ray (read: legends).

[rocco421]

lmao at people criticizing ronnie's workout style because of what he looks like now. Hes got 8 cot dayum sandows and the title of greatest of all time...pretty sure it was worth it

[GBLynden]

He has a degree in accounting. So I wouldnt be to quick to judge someone you probably have never met.

I have met him and that was my opinion of him after meeting him.

[lancs_hotpot]

So wobbly front squats, swaying T-bar rows, and 800 pound deadlifts a few weeks out from competition are what made him the best? Are you saying that if he lifted *any* safer whatsoever, that he would not be the best? I find that hard to believe, personally.

Well the fronts squats were 'wobbly' because of the weight and the fact that the bar bended and bounced due to his no lockout style. Dont know what you mean by swaying t bar rows, he may have jerked a bit.

Anyway thats irrelevant. Those three examples came off the same dvd. I seriously doubt he trained like that all the time. Just showing off, even Jay did that on his dvds. Look at Ronnies first training vid. All the same exercises but better control. Thats more likely what his usual training looked like. Im not saying he didnt push it. Like Dorian im sure he pushed him self to the limits with intensity, but that doesnt mean 800lb squats and deads every week. Its easy in hindsight to say Ronnies and Dorian's training styles f*cked them up but i believe they would not have been the best had they backed off.

[flangmasterj]

The "Ronnie vs Jay" years were a joke? Well, many of those years included Cormier, Leverone, and/or Ray (read: legends).

'01 onwards. Kevin and Chris were at the end of their careers and Shawn had stopped competing.

Comprehende?

[Canuck77]

Ronnie is almost 50 years old (48 or 49 I believe). Someone brought up dexter and he is 43. Those 5 years make a pretty big difference not to mention it is MUCH harder to maintain that "look" when you are the biggest bodybuilder of all time. Plus some people age better than others. Cutler looked great post surgery...some don't age as well.

I mean at 42ish ronnie won the 2005 mr. olympia at what some people think was his top 3 looks ever







this also goes way farther than just training style. Look at toney freeman. he is a health nut. He ever see the guy eat? His former trainer and cousin works out at my gym. The dude is insane with every aspect of his health. He isn't popping cholesterol meds, prescription liver support meds, and blood pressure meds because his health is farking impeccable.

ronnie doesn't strike me as someone that health conscious.

The irony in this is that Ronnie recently said in an interview that Jay at 39 was far too old to win an Olympia and compete with guys like Kai (37) and Heath (32).