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    Insulin!

    I have type 1 diabetes. I have been body building for a little over a year and have yet to figure out how to manipulate my insulin shot for an anabolic boost. Any tips from people smarter then me or people with type 1 diabetes?

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    I wouldn't abuse your Insulin. Just take it for your diabetes and thats all.

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    Originally Posted by SIRT1 View Post
    I wouldn't abuse your Insulin. Just take it for your diabetes and thats all.
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    Originally Posted by SIRT1 View Post
    I wouldn't abuse your Insulin. Just take it for your diabetes and thats all.
    well i figured if im going to be injecting a substance that has know anabolic property's into my body every day, and im working out....might as well at least know how to use it that way.

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    Also a type one diabetic, and I really just figure it's better to give yourself what you need and not mess with it. It's a scary substance and I can't even fathom having to explain to my roommate that I had a seizure because I wanted 'da gainz'.

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    your taking it because your body's not making it. you would be a complete fool to mess with this stuff. take it as you normally would. you would be playing with fire IMO.

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    it's not worth the risk.
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    Originally Posted by TDAWG89 View Post
    I have type 1 diabetes. I have been body building for a little over a year and have yet to figure out how to manipulate my insulin shot for an anabolic boost. Any tips from people smarter then me or people with type 1 diabetes?
    You know you have to match your insulin to your carbohydrate intake - if you use a rapid acting insulin such as Novolog, the best thing you can do and the safest thing you can do is to consume a carbohydrate-rich and protein-rich meal shortly after your workout.

    There's really no other option for using insulin - anyone (diabetic or not) must consume enough carbohydrate to match the insulin dose. For us diabetics, the wise thing to do is to use a rapid-acting insulin in proper ratios with food intake and simply consume carb/protein meals shortly after exercise.

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    dont even mess with it bro the last thing u need is your parents to find you dead from a diabetic coma insulin is scary stuff and u need to research it alot and make an informed decision

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    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...type+diabetics

    Also check out this thread for lots of info from fellow type 1 diabetics - all sorts of info in there.

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    yo

    Thanks every one. BTW as far as LOLing my 150weight im doing every thing i can to gain i eat around 3000-4,000+ calories my metabolism is just ridiculous

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    Originally Posted by GorillaGenetics View Post
    dont even mess with it bro the last thing u need is your parents to find you dead from a diabetic coma insulin is scary stuff and u need to research it alot and make an informed decision

    edit lol 150lbs bro you need food son


    You should never laugh at someone with a medical condition.


    You wouldn't like it if someone was making fun of your weight that was hard to maintain with daily shots of insulin.
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    I weighed 113 when i was diagnosed so...im pretty proud

    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    You should never laugh at someone with a medical condition.


    You wouldn't like it if someone was making fun of your weight that was hard to maintain with daily shots of insulin.

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    Um, i dont think anyone has mentioned yet but you pretty much HAVE to be on AAS to get any real benefit from insulin injections. It will do more harm then good if Anabolic Androgenic Steroids are not already present. Only like 20 people in the world should be in the position to need to resort to insulin shots, and they compete in the olympia/arnold etc
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    Originally Posted by erikjh View Post
    your taking it because your body's not making it. you would be a complete fool to mess with this stuff. take it as you normally would. you would be playing with fire IMO.
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    Also a type one diabetic, and I really just figure it's better to give yourself what you need and not mess with it. It's a scary substance and I can't even fathom having to explain to my roommate that I had a seizure because I wanted 'da gainz'.
    messing with insulin is something that a nondiabetic would do. in a diabetic's case, everyday we have to match the amount of insulin to the amount of carbs in a meal/snack. i see no difference in consuming more carbs postworkout/more insulin than having a bigger meal than usual at any other time.

    we all know that insulin is effective at shuttling nutrients into muscles eg amino acids, and there is the anabolic window postworkout so i dont understand why everyone is saying nooo. its not like he's a non-diabetic.

    whether its effective without AAS is something I've also been curious about too.


    Originally Posted by GorillaGenetics View Post
    dont even mess with it bro the last thing u need is your parents to find you dead from a diabetic coma insulin is scary stuff and u need to research it alot and make an informed decision

    edit lol 150lbs bro you need food son
    not nice. its not as simple as just eating more. everything with carbs has to be counted and the appropriate amount of insulin taken. being diabetic requires a very methodical approach to eating
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    Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    messing with insulin is something that a nondiabetic would do. in a diabetic's case, everyday we have to match the amount of insulin to the amount of carbs in a meal/snack. i see no difference in consuming more carbs postworkout/more insulin than having a bigger meal than usual at any other time.

    we all know that insulin is effective at shuttling nutrients into muscles eg amino acids, and there is the anabolic window postworkout so i dont understand why everyone is saying nooo. its not like he's a non-diabetic.

    whether its effective without AAS is something I've also been curious about too.




    not nice. its not as simple as just eating more. everything with carbs has to be counted and the appropriate amount of insulin taken. being diabetic requires a very methodical approach to eating
    It also isn't as simple as matching carb's with insulin, its ridiculous all the stupid **** that happens when you eat like a non diabetic, like for example if a have 3 beers and match the insulin. my blood sugar levels are normal but for some reason i get sweaty hands. imagine being at a party and meeting a hot girl and getting sweat all over there hands...****ty.

    BUT I don't want to turn this into a how much diabetes sucks thread. Diabetes has changed my life, and even though I would rather not have it allot of positive has come from it. I agree that insulin is nothing to mess with if you don't have diabetes, cause it can very quickly F your world, however i already have type 1 so i take these shots numerous times a day. All I wanna accomplish during the day is a good work out every thing else I could care less, so I think I would be a fool to not understand how to benifit my self with the insulin.

    I have looked into some other threads and what I've found so far is post work out just take a giant ass shot and take your fast protein and then eat a ridiculous amount. Much more then would be desired for a non diabetic. However i need to find out what exactly im going to eat. Waxy maze ive looked into but it taste like chalk

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    Above all try to be consistent with your shots, meals and workouts on a daily basis. This has helped me control my blood sugar the best. I developed type 1 diabetes a little over a year ago at 25. I agree with you as I felt the same way when I first started insulin. Its a scary substance, but if we have to inject ourselves every day, multiple times a day, then we might as well educate ourselves and make the most of our situation. Like I said try to eat, take your shots and workout @ the same time every day. To maintain a healthy bs while working out I wait till @ 3 o'clock after I have eaten two meals and my first fast acting humalog shot has worn off. I'll have a protein shake of @ 35g of protein and 40g of waximaze carb with 3iu of insulin. Workout 1-2 hours, take another shot with another shake of 45g of protein and 40g of waximaze immediately after, then I'll have a large meal with fast digesting carbs @ an hour later. I know that shot after the gym is dangerous, but as long as I go home and cook everything is fine and it covers my next 2-3 meals, but that meal after the gym is crucial for you to maintain a healthy bs and not have it drop and cause a seizure. These are some of the things that work for me, unfortunately its a lot of trial and error so figure out what works for you. Good luck and be careful.

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    Originally Posted by TDAWG89 View Post
    I weighed 113 when i was diagnosed so...im pretty proud


    Awesome job.


    Just like everyone has said, don't try to mess with it, since your body depends on it I wouldn't risk it.


    The risks are WAY too severe.
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    Originally Posted by mattikus1983 View Post
    Above all try to be consistent with your shots, meals and workouts on a daily basis. This has helped me control my blood sugar the best. I developed type 1 diabetes a little over a year ago at 25. I agree with you as I felt the same way when I first started insulin. Its a scary substance, but if we have to inject ourselves every day, multiple times a day, then we might as well educate ourselves and make the most of our situation. Like I said try to eat, take your shots and workout @ the same time every day. To maintain a healthy bs while working out I wait till @ 3 o'clock after I have eaten two meals and my first fast acting humalog shot has worn off. I'll have a protein shake of @ 35g of protein and 40g of waximaze carb with 3iu of insulin. Workout 1-2 hours, take another shot with another shake of 45g of protein and 40g of waximaze immediately after, then I'll have a large meal with fast digesting carbs @ an hour later. I know that shot after the gym is dangerous, but as long as I go home and cook everything is fine and it covers my next 2-3 meals, but that meal after the gym is crucial for you to maintain a healthy bs and not have it drop and cause a seizure. These are some of the things that work for me, unfortunately its a lot of trial and error so figure out what works for you. Good luck and be careful.
    what insulin's do you take? I have never taken a shot to cover multiple meals just the one i am about to eat...so i'm curious. I take Humulin N in morning and nite and humalog before each meal. I was taking levemir instead of humulin N but i dont have insurance and it was to expensive, my previous doctors office was closing and he gave me like 10 sample pens which lasted me like 4 months i think.

    How much long lasting do you take? I wanna look into a intermiediate insulin instead of just the long and fast
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    Perhaps I am looking at this wrong or maybe there is just a barrier that non diabetic and diabetics have, because non diabetics say don't F with it, and diabetics say try and figure it out.

    Let me just say that when you first get diagnosed with type 1 you have no idea how much insulin your going to need. the first month or so is entirely a guessing game. You get to experience very quickly what its like to have a blood sugar of say 40mg/dl. And to be honest my entire life is going to be best guess because you never know exactly how much of what is going to be in food. Not to mention i'll have to adjust through out based on medications im on, sports im playing, and the weight I am. So as far as I'm concerned learning how to use insulin to my anabolic advantage is just going to be like when i first started using insulin, except less dangerous because i have a previous knowledge of my body's response to insulin. It will probably only take me a week a week or so to get it down good.

    So any one with diabetes please leave comments because i feel every one with out diabetes is just going to say don't mess with it. Please don't take this as a I don't care what you have to say because I do.

    Ill also say that before I had diabetes I honestly didn't care that the condition even existed. When those commercials came on for less painful figure pricks i would always say to my self suck it up bitch. I never fully understand what it was like until ironically i got it. I also never appreciated having good health until it wasn't some thing I had by default. So I really think its some thing you can't really understand fully unless your really passionate about science and human well being or if you have it.

    That being said looking for info on what other people who body build with type 1 do. I know there are other threads but we got a good one going here so...
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    I have type 1 diabetes. I have been body building for a little over a year and have yet to figure out how to manipulate my insulin shot for an anabolic boost. Any tips from people smarter then me or people with type 1 diabetes?
    you are not very smart are you?
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    Originally Posted by UPS Man View Post
    you are not very smart are you?
    Thank you for your meaningful post. I'm thankful for the added knowledge I learned from reading your post and look forward to using the info to help my body building.

    Do you have type 1? If not then I'm guessing you don't know either which apparently would make you not smart as well.
    If you do know thanks for not sharing.

    As far as my intelligence goes no I am not the smartest person out there, but I think that me attempting to learn says something for my brain. The person who thinks he knows every thing is truly a moron.

    Not sure what your point was, perhaps to up your post count. You did however increase my motivation. Thanks.
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    Your life/overall health > an extra .25 of an inch on your biceps.

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    Originally Posted by kdog1189 View Post
    Your life/overall health > an extra .25 of an inch on your biceps.
    true. but what i am saying is i feel this wont be any more dangerous then taking shots normally is, i just need info on what to do.

    Originally Posted by kdog1189 View Post
    Your life/overall health > an extra .25 of an inch on your biceps.
    the same can be said for steroids
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    my fast acting is humalog and my long acting is lantus at 19-20iu at night. There is nothing wrong with manipulating yourself to digest more nutrients through insulin injection if you are already a diabetic, as long as you are willing to put the time in the kitchen and carry a fat pbj with you every where you go. You are not going to cause any further harm to your pancreas, the only danger is experiencing hypoglycemia and/or a seizure IF you DO NOT eat enough often enough.

    If I take 6iu of humalog at a bs of 120 with a meal consisting of @60g of slow digesting carbs and @40 g protein, I will be hungry 2 hrs later and bs drops below 80 @2.5 hrs later(which is about when I eat my next meal of chicken and sweet potatoes). @ 2-2.5 hrs later I am hungry with a normal bs again. Since humalog has an acting life of 5-6hrs, 6iu usually will cover me for two meals(I eat 6-7 meals a day). How many meals do you eat a day? How many grams of carbs and pro do you consume per meal? How many iu of humalog do you take with each meal?

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    Your life/overall health > an extra .25 of an inch on your biceps.
    Are you insulin dependent diabetic? We take our shot so we can have a normal life/overall health. insulin isn't going to give me an extra anything. It is going to help my body digest carbs and shuttle nutrients into my muscles just like your pancreas would.

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    Originally Posted by mattikus1983 View Post
    Are you insulin dependent diabetic? We take our shot so we can have a normal life/overall health. insulin isn't going to give me an extra anything. It is going to help my body digest carbs and shuttle nutrients into my muscles just like your pancreas would.
    I am saying using your insulin properly vs. attempting to manipulate it to increase muscle gains. If the two can be done safely in conjunction then have at it.

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    Originally Posted by mattikus1983 View Post
    my fast acting is humalog and my long acting is lantus at 19-20iu at night. There is nothing wrong with manipulating yourself to digest more nutrients through insulin injection if you are already a diabetic, as long as you are willing to put the time in the kitchen and carry a fat pbj with you every where you go. You are not going to cause any further harm to your pancreas, the only danger is experiencing hypoglycemia and/or a seizure IF you DO NOT eat enough often enough.

    If I take 6iu of humalog at a bs of 120 with a meal consisting of @60g of slow digesting carbs and @40 g protein, I will be hungry 2 hrs later and bs drops below 80 @2.5 hrs later(which is about when I eat my next meal of chicken and sweet potatoes). @ 2-2.5 hrs later I am hungry with a normal bs again. Since humalog has an acting life of 5-6hrs, 6iu usually will cover me for two meals(I eat 6-7 meals a day). How many meals do you eat a day? How many grams of carbs and pro do you consume per meal? How many iu of humalog do you take with each meal?
    Thanks for your post. I usually eat 3-4 meals a day minus my protein shakes. Sounds like i am less insulin responsive then you. For example i used to eat two packets of oatmeal prework out and use 10iu of humalog. every with the bs lowering effects of working out the 10iu is about right.

    But yeah i agree i don't really think i'm putting my self at added risk here. low numbers are easy to feel and can be quickly raised back up. the only risk is if my stomach is litterally to full to eat more food... which then glucose tab's would come into play..which again is no big deal.

    Have you ever used an intermediate insulin? who makes lantus?
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    Originally Posted by mattikus1983 View Post
    Are you insulin dependent diabetic? We take our shot so we can have a normal life/overall health. insulin isn't going to give me an extra anything. It is going to help my body digest carbs and shuttle nutrients into my muscles just like your pancreas would.

    Originally Posted by kdog1189 View Post
    I am saying using your insulin properly vs. attempting to manipulate it to increase muscle gains. If the two can be done safely in conjunction then have at it.

    yeah the concept is manipulating insulin to increase muscle gains. Ive noticed allot of products lately trying to do the same thing for non diabetics such as MHP dark matter which contains on like 4 grams of protein but gives you the muscle building effects of 40grams.

    I know some body builders use insulin as a steroid or in conjunction with other steroids to increase there effect. I would never inject insulin into my body like that but i have diabetes, and already do. so im trying to find out what other diabetic body builders who have had it longer do. but i feel this has turned into a debate on whether or not its a good idea.

    When i get all the info ill decide on that.
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    Originally Posted by TDAWG89 View Post
    Thanks for your post. I usually eat 3-4 meals a day minus my protein shakes. Sounds like i am less insulin responsive then you. For example i used to eat two packets of oatmeal prework out and use 10iu of humalog. every with the bs lowering effects of working out the 10iu is about right.

    But yeah i agree i don't really think i'm putting my self at added risk here. low numbers are easy to feel and can be quickly raised back up. the only risk is if my stomach is litterally to full to eat more food... which then glucose tab's would come into play..which again is no big deal.

    Have you ever used an intermediate insulin? who makes lantus?
    lantus solostar is the full name made by sanofi aventis. do you take that much every time you eat? How much time passes between your meals? make sure to gt some protein in with your pre workout carbs. Waximaze does taste like ass, just mix it with your protein and chug. works wonders and its convenient. I've never had the problem of being to full to eat, if my bs drops to dangerous levels that means I havent eaten enough/often so no full feeliing. For me there is a direct correlation with me being hungry abd my bs being low.

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