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    Originally Posted by DerekEt View Post
    5x5 (5 working sets of 5 reps) can tie well into high volume, you are getting 25 reps performed at a 75-80% 1RM.

    However, you still aren't getting too much "Time-Under-Tension" , which is ideal in bodybuilding. You can alleviate this by simply doing 5x5 on a main movement which already provides for higher volume and sets, and then add accessory.
    Srsly...in the early stages...it doesnt matter at all -_-
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    I didn't realize that every single thread was about "early stages". Should I just form now on assume all of TBB is still in early stages or something?(srs)
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    Good read. I liked the part about Platz outdoing the guy by 12 reps. Its funny, I can bench 225x12 and people assume that I must be able to do around 310 for 1, yet I got 285 for 1 the other day and it felt heavy as fuark and not a single sht is given.
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    of course bb are more muscular but the truth is that the stronger the bigger you can get. Plus who wants to be massive and can only bench 80kg.
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    Originally Posted by AussieJuNior View Post
    of course bb are more muscular but the truth is that the stronger the bigger you can get. Plus who wants to be massive and can only bench 80kg.
    Clearly there arent many massive muscular people who are benching 80 kg dude, but there are 120 lb guys who deadlift 700.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Clearly there arent many massive muscular people who are benching 80 kg dude, but there are 120 lb guys who deadlift 700.
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    some things i found flawed in the article.

    A) They say "take layne norton who is a natural bodybuilder". Lulz layne also trains in the very low rep range and is also a powerlifter as well. Strong logic
    B) They say it takes up to 1 week for your muscles to repair(yes u can do this if you are on steronz), not for a natural. Your muscles only need 2-3 days to recover fully.
    C) The article was based 95 percent upon Pro bodybuilders. 99 percent of people reading the article are natural

    Just saying.

    I honestly do not know why people keep posting articles about rep ranges.

    Heavy compounds should be in the lower rep range. And isolation exercises in the higher rep range. What is so hard for people to understand.

    Squats, bench, deadlift keep it low.

    bicep curls, overhead extensions, etc keep it higher.

    Your not going to do 30 reps on your bench, and then do 1-2 reps for bicep curls. Its not that hard to understand
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    What's wrong with benching for 10-12 reps
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    Originally Posted by Ka0s View Post
    What's wrong with benching for 10-12 reps
    too much cardio
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    Okay so.. training for strength wont pack on muscle mass? Meaning bulking?
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    Okay so.. training for strength wont pack on muscle mass? Meaning bulking?

    Train at lower volume, higher intensity, lower frequency. Eat in a caloric deficit. Watch what happens: gain weight on the bar, lose bodyweight.
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    Originally Posted by DerekEt View Post
    I didn't realize that every single thread was about "early stages". Should I just form now on assume all of TBB is still in early stages or something?(srs)
    99% of TBB cant even b/s/d 2/3/4 plates. Most people here are small and weak. They simply dont need to think about rep ranges and ****. They just need to load a barbell and lift it. They will grow, whether they do 3x5 or 5x5 or 3x8-10 or 3x7(3^2 x3)+2. As long as their diet is okay, they will pretty much all have "optimal" results.
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    Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    99% of TBB cant even b/s/d 2/3/4 plates. Most people here are small and weak. They simply dont need to think about rep ranges and ****. They just need to load a barbell and lift it. They will grow, whether they do 3x5 or 5x5 or 3x8-10 or 3x7(3^2 x3)+2. As long as their diet is okay, they will pretty much all have "optimal" results.
    Your 99% estimate seems a little high. Also I want to know why so many people consider 2/3/4 to be the standard for being "strong." I probably cant deadlift 4 plates, I dont know because I dont do deadlifts, yet my back is pretty fukin strong. I usually dont dont do back squats anymore (usually do fronts) and when I do I usually use around 225 and go ATG with a narrow stance and short rest times. Does this mean my legs arent strong?
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    Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    99% of TBB cant even b/s/d 2/3/4 plates. Most people here are small and weak. They simply dont need to think about rep ranges and ****. They just need to load a barbell and lift it. They will grow, whether they do 3x5 or 5x5 or 3x8-10 or 3x7(3^2 x3)+2. As long as their diet is okay, they will pretty much all have "optimal" results.
    hmm i wouldn't say 99 percent my man. There are a ton of people that in around 6 months or so can get a 2/3/4. Its not very hard.

    I do agree with derek and Kaos though.

    Theres a difference. Derek gave me some tips to increase my bench and he got me in the right rep range. Currently doing 2-3 sets of 8 reps as compared to doing 3 reps.

    With that being said.

    Bench press and squats, and deadlifts are the only exercises that i go below 10 reps on.

    Incline dumbell flys- 10 reps
    Chest flys- 10 reps
    Db shoulder press- 12 reps
    Upright rows- 10 reps
    Overhead extensions-10 reps
    skullcrushers-10 reps

    Barbell rows- 10 reps
    Pullups- 10 reps
    Barbell shrugs-10 reps
    bicep curls- 10 reps
    hammer curls- 10 reps

    Squats- 3-5 reps
    stiff legged deadlifts- 10 reps
    calf raises- 15 reps

    Again barbell bench, squats, and deadlifts were the only things i did 3-5 reps.

    I am now switching over bench to 2-3 sets of 8-10 reps

    As for squats i am keeping it at 3-5 reps for now. Deadlifts will always stay at 3-5 reps

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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Your 99% estimate seems a little high. Also I want to know why so many people consider 2/3/4 to be the standard for being "strong." I probably cant deadlift 4 plates, I dont know because I dont do deadlifts, yet my back is pretty fukin strong. I usually dont dont do back squats anymore (usually do fronts) and when I do I usually use around 225 and go ATG with a narrow stance and short rest times. Does this mean my legs arent strong?
    I can basically do a 3/4/5.

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    Originally Posted by Whitekoala View Post
    I can basically do a 3/4/5.

    280lb bench/395lb squat/ 530lb deadlift
    Not to come off harsh, but why does it matter? Are you huge? Are you a competing powerlifter? What good is being able to pick up 530 lbs 1 time if your goals are bodybuilding? Also there is a BIG difference between 280x1 and 315x1 on the bench.

    If the "standard" for being "ready" to come off SS was 185x10, 225x10, 315x10, it would make more sense imo since we always send off aspiring bodybuilders to do SS who then become fat and addicted to adding more weight to the bar.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Not to come off harsh, but why does it matter? Are you huge? Are you a competing powerlifter? What good is being able to pick up 530 lbs 1 time if your goals are bodybuilding? Also there is a BIG difference between 280x1 and 315x1 on the bench.

    If the "standard" for being "ready" to come off SS was 185x10, 225x10, 315x10, it would make more sense imo since we always send off aspiring bodybuilders to do SS who then become fat and addicted to adding more weight to the bar.
    I do not belive in starting strength either. If i could redo it, i would do push/pull/legs. Your body only needs 48-72 hours to recover fully. Thats 2-3 days. My gains would be way,way better if i had done that, as compared to a bro split. Still made amazing gains, but ya could have made better gains.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Your 99% estimate seems a little high. Also I want to know why so many people consider 2/3/4 to be the standard for being "strong." I probably cant deadlift 4 plates, I dont know because I dont do deadlifts, yet my back is pretty fukin strong. I usually dont dont do back squats anymore (usually do fronts) and when I do I usually use around 225 and go ATG with a narrow stance and short rest times. Does this mean my legs arent strong?
    In the 99%, I also include the lurkers (those who reads but doesnt post much but stupid threads). Of course, if I just think about the regular members, it would be much lower than 99%

    2/3/4 isnt "strong" lol...If you can't do 2/3/4, consider yourself weak and noob though. You might be unable to deadlift 4 plates now, but I'm sure within a few weeks you could easily. 2/3/4 isnt the standard for being "strong", it is the standard for not being considered a "noob" anymore.

    And when you are a noob, your body can easily cope with high frequency and high intensity. No matter what you do, you will progress in strength and mass very quickly. There is no "optimal" training regimen for a weak and small dude...
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    Originally Posted by Whitekoala View Post
    I do not belive in starting strength either. If i could redo it, i would do push/pull/legs. Your body only needs 48-72 hours to recover fully. Thats 2-3 days. My gains would be way,way better if i had done that, as compared to a bro split. Still made amazing gains, but ya could have made better gains.
    Yeah I dont understand why SS is still the go-to program on here.
    What exactly are your goals though? Because you are saying you agree with kaos and ethan and your log shows mostly stuff in the 10 rep range, but then you start talkin about your 1 rep maxes and i see you doing like 2 reps on bench.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Yeah I dont understand why SS is still the go-to program on here.
    lol...srsly?

    It's simple, it works and you must be a retard to **** it up. You can't go wrong with SS.
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    Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    2/3/4 isnt the standard for being "strong", it is the standard for not being considered a "noob" anymore.
    i think i missed the memo on this one
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    So since I am currently on the babylovers SS why is it that my lifts have been going up? Isn't that building muscle? Also I am bulking while on this program.. am I wasting my time? All you people confuse me with your arguing haha.
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    Originally Posted by 400Lb Gorilla View Post
    i think i missed the memo on this one
    Yeah, I think too!

    No, srsly...standard isnt the right word, my bad. I mean, be able to lift 2/3/4 isnt "strong"...but being unable to lift 2/3/4 is weak and your body has the capacity to improve quickly. 2/3/4 is like a rule of thumb.

    Originally Posted by royalz19 View Post
    So since I am currently on the babylovers SS why is it that my lifts have been going up? Isn't that building muscle? Also I am bulking while on this program.. am I wasting my time? All you people confuse me with your arguing haha.
    Your lifts are going up because you are new to it. The first few weeks, it's all about neural adaptation. Your CNS is learning how to synchronize the muscles contractions.

    Your not wasting your time. Keep lifting, keep getting stronger, keep working hard and keep eating more. You will get bigger and stronger.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    it would make more sense imo since we always send off aspiring bodybuilders to do SS who then become fat and addicted to adding more weight to the bar.
    I feel as if that was directed at me lol
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Yeah I dont understand why SS is still the go-to program on here.
    What exactly are your goals though? Because you are saying you agree with kaos and ethan and your log shows mostly stuff in the 10 rep range, but then you start talkin about your 1 rep maxes and i see you doing like 2 reps on bench.
    Goals are 100 percent bodybuilding. I only care about muscle.
    I am very stupid. Derek(ethan) gave me some advice and told me to start benching in the 6-8 rep range.

    Bench, squat, and deadlift are the only exercises i do in the 2-5 rep range. Squats works for low reps for me, adds mass amazingly. Deadlifts work too.

    Bench hasn't worked i am not progressing. I am an idiot for doing 2 reps on bench.

    From now on its strictly 6-8 like derek said. I will be using about 210lbs for 6-8 reps instead of using like 245-250lbs for 2 reps.

    Ya i just like talking about 1 rep maxes. alot of people i find on here are powerlifters. I honestly do not care about weight at all, just progression. And i took out deadlifts from my program as well
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    lol i guess those are decent numbers for a start. i know a guy that cant squat 405 for reps but cant pull 405 to save his life. and his squats are legit full depth squats with just a belt. not sure what his issue is but every time he tries to pull anything over 365 his form goes to shiet, he shakes like he is standing in the middle of an earthquake, and then usually drops the bar around knee level maybe slightly above.

    it is the funniest thing to fuk with him about it because he has squatted 450x2(easily) just to fuk with me yet he deadlift sucks ass
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    Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    Yeah, I think too!

    No, srsly...standard isnt the right word, my bad. I mean, be able to lift 2/3/4 isnt "strong"...but being unable to lift 2/3/4 is weak and your body has the capacity to improve quickly. 2/3/4 is like a rule of thumb.



    Your lifts are going up because you are new to it. The first few weeks, it's all about neural adaptation. Your CNS is learning how to synchronize the muscles contractions.

    Your not wasting your time. Keep lifting, keep getting stronger, keep working hard and keep eating more. You will get bigger and stronger.
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    Originally Posted by bogui94 View Post
    General consensus is to reach 2/3/4 but others suggest switching once you're used to the exercises. It's your choice in the end.
    Mhm i haven't mentioned hit plate goals. My plan was to stop til I hit 200 pds in body weight. Then I was going to cut back to 175-180
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