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Thread: Multiple-O Sessions
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01-19-2013, 11:23 PM #391
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01-19-2013, 11:36 PM #392
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01-20-2013, 01:23 AM #393
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lurked in here cuz you are watching/subd Filmbuffs log. I'm always intrigued by oly lifting and dieting issues. So I see you are struggling with gains. You have propably already checked out the way to adjust macros on training and off days.
I can also spot that you might need to cut down on cardio too.
And surprise, you migth want to check out intermittent fasting! Yes, you can bulk with fasting, check out Leangains.com .
nice layouts btw.my workout log -> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147657213
my blog about weight lifting -> http://jsaarelainen.wordpress.com/
"May the sun illuminate thy path!"
my currents : sq 319 - dl 419 - bp - 231 - ohp 143
my goals 2014 : sq 341 - dl 440 - bp 242 - ohp 154
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01-20-2013, 05:03 AM #394
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01-21-2013, 02:45 AM #395
I am not allowed to do this.... don't ask, I'm changing jobs imminently.
Thanks simp.
Hi! I'm not so much struggling with gains, except in the mental sense of accepting that you have to add some fat with muscle, which I think is a pretty normal difficulty to have, especially for females. The problem is more I'd like some nice slow gains of the right kind. And I'm a recovering cardio addict - what I do now is nothing in comparison, srs. It just makes me feel really good so I can't give it up completely. Dat dere endorphin hit.
I <3 IF. It's how I've been eating ever since I could choose my own meal schedule because it feels very natural for both satiety and energy management. I used to feel extremely guilty about it due to all the "starvation mode, eat every few hours, stoke the metabolic fire" mainstream broscience, but it was ALWAYS what worked best for me. And now since I discovered Martin Berkhan last year, I do it with no guilt at all, when bulking, cutting and maintaining
This program is more or less what I've been doing since the start of this log. I just make small adjustments to it as I go along. It's also fairly fluid, which is necessary when you're training 6 days a week and needing to adjust for the inevitable injuries and soreness that go along with that. This is how most Oly lifters train - check out the two below recent posts from the Oly forum ↓↓. It's very different from the PL approach of gradual load and and deload up to extreme max efforts, partially because the powerlifts are so much more taxing than the technique-based work of the Oly lifts. I am pushing the envelope by deadlifting and benching much more than most Oly lifters (my back squats are high bar), but I am doing it because I have been rehabbing chronic issues/not lifting for a bit and I'm so far below my real base strength potential that I have some room to push those lifts up fast and I need the strength that doing so will give me. It has been bench so far rather than press/push press because I have been dealing with the shoulder impaction that is almost mandatory for new Oly lifters, but that will change relatively soon. I'd like to hit a triple-digit bench before it does, but that is vanity speaking.
In other words, I might be crazy. But so is everyone else who does this The fair criticisms that have been made in here recently are that I need to 1) stop failing lifts and listen to my body instead of pushing for vanity numbers; 2) get my calories sorted; and 3) consider the impact of my chosen forms of cardio on my chronic injuries.training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-21-2013, 07:30 AM #396
If you can stay healthy then I would say squat everyday.
So yes get your injuries sorted.
I also like to look at the glenn pendlay school of thought. If you are snatching an cleaning 5/6 days a week you are basically already squatting everyday just a lower intensity and therefore only need to program true squats 3 days a week.
But that is just my thoughts. I have squatted everyday in the past and it can break you off in a hurrythe latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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01-21-2013, 09:42 AM #397
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Yes but
#1 as far as i know these are all programs for more advanced lifters
#2 you do a program like that it is assumed you have a coach watching you constantly
novice lifters need to learn to lift first , self taught lifters need to use different methods then if they are training at a proper gym with a coach
they need to spend more time practicing technique and getting those movements right..
I personally think that anyone should start with starting strength or similar strength program
once you have reached a decent strength then you can move on to specialize on the oly liftswho says love has to be soft and gentle ?
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01-21-2013, 11:16 AM #398
believe me I agree with you. I have been saying squatting everyday right now is a dumb idea.
I was just trying to show Izzy that since she is doing technique/oly lifts everyday that technically speaking she is squatting everyday just with lighter weights.
I bring up glenn pendlay simply for the fact that the majority of his oly lifters advance their squat using the TM/5x5 method of volume, recovery, intensity. So if 3 days(and sometimes only 2 when they cut out front squats) is good enough for a guy like Jon North who is very advanced, then 2-3 days squatting is plenty for izzy.
That way she doesn't run herself into the ground trying to max.
I am just making the point she has lots of injuries so everyday squatting is counter-productive unless she proves she can handle it.
Then there is the whole PED aspect of maxing/squatting everyday that is being overlooked.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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01-21-2013, 12:03 PM #399
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I think she can handle it the issue is more technique related to me , even John Broz has his lifters training and squatting 6x a week but the programming is different and he weeds out the "weaker" lifters
those who can't handle it usually quit
She's not at the level that she's going to overtrain if she squats everyday but I think a better approach is to work on technique 80% of the times and only max once a weekwho says love has to be soft and gentle ?
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01-21-2013, 12:18 PM #400
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Hey Izzy i thought you might like this
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mdusa-trainingwho says love has to be soft and gentle ?
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01-21-2013, 01:59 PM #401
Squat Workout From Hell
Jan 19
Snatches felt good today. Focused on getting under the bar rather than trying to get it up so high, and was able to lock it out without dropping and do a 50lb full snatch for the first time. Then I watched the video and determined that my ass is still rising too fast and I am on my toes too much. Overhead squats are an absolute bitch, as are pause squats. Knees too far forward again/still, need to keep the weight on my heels.
Warmup
foam rolling
lower body stretches
dynamic band shoulder stretches
snatch balances with aluminum bar
bar x5 hang snatches to warm up
20, 30 lb snatch balances x5 each
Snatches
bar x2 x15
50 x1 x10 PR
Clean + Jerks
bar x5 hang clean & jerk
50 x5 clean & jerk
ATG Overhead Squats
45 x5 x3sets
50 x3 x2sets
High Bar ATG Pause Squats
55 x5
65 x5
75 x5 x3
Barbell Hip Thrusts
100 x10 x3sets, 1 sec pauses at lockout
Lower Body Rehab
clamshells 12 x3
lying abduction 12 x3
fire hydrants 12 x3
quadruped hip extension 12 x3
Shoulder Rehab
band pull aparts
btn band pull aparts
band external rotation
face pulls
Forearm Handstands
because i felt like it?
Mobility
glute/hammy/piri/quad/calf stretches and foam rolling
rolling out lats, upper back, chest and shoulder
Supps
AM: b complex, inflaheal, multi, milk thistle, glucosamine
PWO: bcaa's, c4, creatine
PM: fish oil, vit D, CLA, antiox, inflahealtraining log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-21-2013, 02:07 PM #402
Cleaning/snatching = squatting is actually very true. I think I'm off the squat every day train for the foreseeable future. And off the maxing frequently train too - those pause squats demonstrated I still have a lot of work to do on technique.
It's down right now but it looks like a live feed of their training? That is cool!training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-21-2013, 02:25 PM #403
Overhead Work Day
Jan 20
So multiple sets of OH squats fuk with your lower back the next day, who knew I'm choosing to blame that for the snatch falling apart again. Shoulder felt really good today for once, so I went for fine-tuning the jerk and some push presses instead of bench.
Warmup
foam rolling
lower body stretches
dynamic band shoulder stretches
snatch balances with aluminum bar
bar x5 hang snatches to warm up
20, 30 lb snatch balances x5 each
Snatches
bar x20
Cleans
bar x5 hang clean & jerk
55 x2
65 x2 x5
75 x1 x5
Rack Jerks
bar x5
55 x2 x3
65 x2 x3
70 x1 x2 *PR
Snatch Grip BTN Push Press
45 x2 x10
Abs
Shoulder Rehab
band pull aparts
btn band pull aparts
band external rotation
Cardio & Mobility
3 mile run
glute/hammy/piri/quad/calf stretches and foam rolling
rolling out lats, upper back, chest and shoulder
Supps
AM: b complex, inflaheal, multi, milk thistle, glucosamine
PWO: bcaa's, c4, creatine
PM: fish oil, vit D, CLA, antiox, inflahealtraining log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-21-2013, 02:36 PM #404
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nice snatch(es), Jerks and cleans.
I'd be about to die after all that! Hats off for the 3 mile run..One day, it'll be my turn.My 5/3/1 progress can be found here.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142870321&p
Uncut LOG...check it out here!
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=152706323
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I lift one rep at a time.
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01-21-2013, 04:34 PM #405
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01-21-2013, 04:41 PM #406
impressive you could run after all that.
your butt definitely rises too quick.
it throws your shoulders way out in front of the bar and your back angle becomes massively horizontal.
try this, and it's extreme but it helps to get you more vertical and also get the bar going up and back instead of doing a semi-circle.
set up for your snatch with the edge of your shoes hidden by the bar. You will feel like you are too far away from the bar but trust me try it.
Then set-up with your weight on your heels to the point of feeling like you are gonna fall backwards if you let go of the bar.
From here just explode straight up like a frog.
This is VERY basic and a bit weird, but it should allow you to feel the movement of knees, hips, knees that Pendlay always talks about.
also try out his snatch and clean progression videos. They helped me immensely.
edit: here is the progression videos with cues. Best video that has helped me.
http://www.allthingsgym.com/2011/10/...glenn-pendlay/the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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01-22-2013, 01:44 AM #407
Thanks I used to be a distance runner so 3 miles feels like nothing... but I still remember when I first started and I couldn't even run a block. You'll get there, if it's one of your goals.
Lol ty sword, will do my best.
Frog hey? I will try that out... and ah, thanks. I watched Pendlay's clean videos and they helped me a lot, I don't know why I didn't think to look for snatch ones!
Hopefully this doesn't result in me falling on my ass like I did last time I tried to keep my weight back :/ but if it does maybe I'll be lucky enough to get it on video this time...training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-22-2013, 05:41 AM #408
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I don't know **** about olympic lifts so I'll just keep my mouth shut
The one thing I will chime in on re: the above post is that when I'm in a good deadlift setup at the bottom position, I do feel like it's one that I can barely hold without falling over. I would imagine that it would be pretty similar to start the clean/snatch.New log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144101461
Best meet lifts: 424/303/551 (93kg)
Best gym lifts: 420/290/565
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01-22-2013, 07:29 AM #409
Haha well frog was the only cue I could think of that resonates with a full extension.
You shouldn't fall on your butt, because once you take the slack out of the bar you should have a fairly vertical back angle which will keep you nice and balanced.
But if when you are first setting up you don't feel like your weight is so far back you might fall over then your weight is most likely too far forward.
Once you actually begin the pull everything will then fall into place because you can't actually lift the bar otherwise.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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01-22-2013, 02:58 PM #410
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01-22-2013, 03:19 PM #411
that works too or just forget everything I say and just rip the bar off the floor as explosive as humanly possible.
that usually works too haha.
If I go to the gym tonight I will try and demonstrate my set-up.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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01-22-2013, 03:27 PM #412
Jan 21
RANT ALERT
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So I got to the gym early because I wanted to have time to do a lot of squat sets, and promptly had half an hour of my time wasted by a douchebag trainer who felt he needed to tell me in excruciating detail how there's a new policy of half an hour's limit on use of the squat racks because people have been complaining. Ok, that's cool, I never squat for more than half an hour. It then becomes apparent that this MORON who is supposedly a TRAINER thinks that the PLATFORMS AND THE SQUAT/POWER RACK ARE ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. U ****ing wot mate. So me and my partner spend the rest of our workout cleaning and snatching on the floor in the middle of the gym and nearly killing several inattentive morons, while an 100 pound asian kid wearing jeans does speed 1/8 squats with 10 lbs and the pussy pad in the squat rack and then does "the worm" on the floor of the power rack after walking away leaving his weights and pad on the other bar. ASK ME HOW RUSTLED I AM. SO ****ING RUSTLED
Also I am not allowed to have my tiny lululemon bag on the floor of the gym. OK, just let me take out my wrist wraps, knee wraps, tape, notebook, phone, water bottle, chalk, sweatshirt and oly shoes and SPREAD THEM ALL OVER THE ****ING FLOOR because that's better, right? And I'll put my empty bag in a locker just for you.
Luckily that trainer only works one day a week and I'm friends with all the others. Otherwise this sitch could be bad for my blood pressure.
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Snatches went about like usual. But I FINALLY clean PR'ed that 85 I should have had a week ago. I kept failing and it makes no sense because 80 is so easy, so finally my partner spoke up and quietly muttered that I was being a pussy, I was pulling the bar to sternum height and not getting under it because I was obviously scared of the weight. This was what I needed to hear and I finally committed to getting under the bar and guess what, it was easy. I should be cleaning more. This is why I keep pushing myself - I think most of my failures happen not because I can't lift whatever, but because I'm afraid of the weight
Warmup
.5 mile jog
foam rolling
lower body stretches
dynamic band shoulder stretches
bar x5 hang snatches
20, 30 lb snatch balances x5 each
Snatches
bar x2 x15
Clean + Jerks
bar x5 hang clean & jerk
50 x3 clean & jerk
65 x3 clean & jerk
75 x3
85 fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, x1 PR FINALLY THANK FUK
65 x2 x3
High Bar ATG Pause Squats
65 x6
75 x5
85 x3
85 x5
85 x5
Weighted Hip Thrusts
25 x20 x4sets, 1 sec pauses at lockout
Lat PD
80 x12 x4sets
Face Pulls/Cable Row Superset
FP 40 x8 x4
CR 75 x12 x4
Lower Body Rehab
clamshells 12 x3
lying abduction 12 x3
Shoulder Rehab
band pull aparts
btn band pull aparts
band external rotation
Mobility
glute/hammy/piri/quad/calf stretches and foam rolling
rolling out lats, upper back, chest and shoulder
Supps
AM: b complex, inflaheal, multi, milk thistle, glucosamine
PWO: bcaa's, c4, creatine
PM: fish oil, vit D, CLA, antiox, inflahealtraining log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-22-2013, 03:28 PM #413
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01-22-2013, 03:59 PM #414
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Based on this rant, and this rant alone, I suspect we would get along just fine.
I've basically befriended one trainer at my gym who talks to the others for me to let my contraband materials in (namely, chalk) but also my bag of goodies, shoes, sleeves, wraps, and bands.New log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144101461
Best meet lifts: 424/303/551 (93kg)
Best gym lifts: 420/290/565
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01-22-2013, 04:02 PM #415
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yeah theres a trainer at my gym who told me I wasnt allowed to use chalk anymore... when I kept doing it, he started bringing me a broom to clean it up..when I wouldnt clean it up, he left me alone. Now I make the biggest mess I can. I chalk every damn bar I use for anything..hell I even chalk the handles on the ab crunch machine lol.
My 5/3/1 progress can be found here.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142870321&p
Uncut LOG...check it out here!
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=152706323
{{**ORIGINAL DSC**}}
I lift one rep at a time.
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01-23-2013, 12:55 AM #416
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01-23-2013, 01:40 AM #417
Was it ever in doubt? Having people on the inside is key. I suspect this one trainer hates my group because he is friends with a surly oversized azzhole who likes to hog the power rack at the end of the night to do eighteen sets of 4-plate shrugs. No squats, no deadlifts, just shrugs. He frequently accidentally-on-purpose walks into me when I'm using the platform that's up against his rack.
Lol. We're really good about our chalk use - keep it discreet, clean up after ourselves. Also always clean up our own plates and any others and help sort the dumbbells at the end of every night. That's part of the reason I'm pissed - we're good gym citizens, we don't need this garbage.
Sigh. Maybe someday soon I will have the money for this...training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-23-2013, 02:08 AM #418
2 PR's and an Epic Fail
Jan 22
Got that 95 bench
This despite the weirdo who insisted on "working in" with me.... to curl the bar and some 10's. There was an extra bar he could have used, but apparently he "needed" to straddle the bench. We also have fixed weight bars that go up to 110. I bertstared him SO HARD the entire time.
Did Pendlay's snatch progression stuff. Was going ok until I missed lockout and dumped the bar behind me. First time I've done that. Poor filmbuff tried to help me a bit with form and getting weight back on my heels but I was so rattled over the miss I couldn't really convert what he was telling me into action. Gave up again. Matched yesterday's clean PR and PR'ed on clean and jerk together, the latter of which filmbuff gave the stamp of approval so I feel good about that one.
Warmup
45 mins infrared sauna rolling out joint with stick and stretching hammies/hip flexors
foam rolling
lower body stretches
dynamic band shoulder stretches
Bench
45 x8
55 x6
75 x3
95 x1 *PR YEAAAAAHHHHHH
came back and did work sets after snatch/clean/jerk:
65 x6
75 x5 x2sets
65 x8 x2sets
Snatches
bar x7 hang snatch progressions
bar x1 x20 - missed about 6
Clean + Jerks
65 x2 x4 cj
75 x1 x4 cj *PR for putting the c & j together
85 x1 *ties yesterday's PR
65 x2 x3
Snatch Grip BTN Push Presses
45 x3 x3sets
Inverted Row
12 x3 sets, supersetted with ^
Shoulder Rehab
band pull aparts
btn band pull aparts
band external/internal rotation
Cardio & Mobility
3 mile easy pace run
glute/hammy/piri/quad/calf stretches and foam rolling
rolling out lats, upper back, chest and shoulder
Supps
AM: b complex, milk thistle, glucosamine, joint care+, vit D
PWO: bcaa's, c4, creatine
PM: fish oil, CLA, antiox, inflaheal, multi, glucosamineLast edited by izzygrant; 01-23-2013 at 02:19 AM.
training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153696161&page=51
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01-23-2013, 04:59 AM #419
Wow, that's a long day. Solid volume in there.
It's okay to lose the bar behind IMO. It means you pull too hard. When it happens, my coach told me to add weight so I would say the coach Filmbuff did a good job haha!
lol @ the weirdo. He was hitting on you I guess XD☆ ☆ QUEBEC CREW ☆ ☆
OW log :
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Competition lift : 212 kg total (95/117) @ 77 kg
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01-23-2013, 05:10 AM #420
I bet you his training journal went something like this,
"Dear Diary,
I was at the gym today doing barbell curls and this chick was mirin' me hard. Every set, she would just stare at my biceps as I pumped them further and further. Sloots gonna sloot! YOLO! #Curls4daGurls."1372 @ 205
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