Nut Misc "Do You Even Lift?" Thread

[jakefurfaro]

Damn son. That is awesome, hard consistent ball busting work ftw.


Fixed

Agreed!

[prolvr]

Genetic freak.

This I was going too jump on SS on a cut lol

[prolvr]

Snrygo your routine seems like SS with add ons? is this your first routine? Or did you do SS then add on?

[Vitek92]

This is what you posted as your current routine:

MONDAY
Squat 3x5
OHP/Bench 3x5
BOR 3x5
Pull-Ups 3x8
Row 3x5
Stomach vacuums 3x60s

WEDNESDAY
Squat 3x5
Bench/OHP 3x5
Sumo Dead 1x5
Dips 3x5
BOR 3x5
Planks 3 sets
Stomach vacuums 3x60s

FRIDAY
Squat 3x5
OHP/Bench 3x5
RDL 3x5
BOR 3x5
Chins 3xamrap

In your log, you did front squats, pulldowns, single arm cable rows, inverted rows and push ups. Now you want to do deficit deads. I really couldn't give a **** if you want to add or change or anything. I'm just saying if you do Westside for Skinny Bastards then you have a program that encourages, to a degree, cycling exercises, so you're able to do all the **** you want to do while still having some semblance of organization. It explores plenty of rep ranges, offers more customizability, does wonders for strength and size, and so forth. It was a suggestion and nothing more. Not a criticism or anything. If you don't want to do it don't do it.

x2 this routine is fun!

[snrygo]

This is what you posted as your current routine:

MONDAY
Squat 3x5
OHP/Bench 3x5
BOR 3x5
Pull-Ups 3x8
Row 3x5
Stomach vacuums 3x60s

WEDNESDAY
Squat 3x5
Bench/OHP 3x5
Sumo Dead 1x5
Dips 3x5
BOR 3x5
Planks 3 sets
Stomach vacuums 3x60s

FRIDAY
Squat 3x5
OHP/Bench 3x5
RDL 3x5
BOR 3x5
Chins 3xamrap

In your log, you did front squats, pulldowns, single arm cable rows, inverted rows and push ups. Now you want to do deficit deads. I really couldn't give a **** if you want to add or change or anything. I'm just saying if you do Westside for Skinny Bastards then you have a program that encourages, to a degree, cycling exercises, so you're able to do all the **** you want to do while still having some semblance of organization. It explores plenty of rep ranges, offers more customizability, does wonders for strength and size, and so forth. It was a suggestion and nothing more. Not a criticism or anything. If you don't want to do it don't do it.

if you look at the commenatryon that WO i did that because m shoulder was still feeing a bit off and my back was botheing me so i just did whatever didnt hurt. i like my current routine, but dont want to keep working on my strong point when its nothelping my weak point.

Snrygo your routine seems like SS with add ons? is this your first routine? Or did you do SS then add on?

not my first routine. i started with brosplit then did lyle's over the summer until october or sumth then went to FB over the last several months

Opinions of lat cable pulls? Yeah yeah I know I bitch about how useless cable work is, but I did 4x6 heavy sets yesterday and my lats were on fire this morning. I may have found a great supplemental lift to t-bar rows, one that doesn't require my balls to become scrambled. I ate 2,900 on Friday and last night (Saturday), but I dunno if that would be enough for recovery. I'll run 2,860-2,900 for another week. If I don't see something positive I may as well as jack the intake up to 3,300 and taper down. I've been doing DB flyes on my off days. Nothing heavy, but I feel the stretch.

i will be adding a couple sets a couple times a week just to even out my left side with my right. they feel great IMO.

[psychodiver9]

So i tried to take Erick's advice an compare my lifts from last year. Ibrealized I wasn't squatting to depth, wasn't benching to the chest, and just plain wasn't deadlifting. Is that progress?

[ErickStevens]

So i tried to take Erick's advice an compare my lifts from last year. Ibrealized I wasn't squatting to depth, wasn't benching to the chest, and just plain wasn't deadlifting. Is that progress?

Yes. Before 2011 I never squatted to depth, never benched with a pause, and never consistently trained regular deadlifts.

[joelash302]

Last year to this year:
Bench
245 -> 275
Squat
275 -> 320 -> 300
Dead
385 -> 500

Learned a lot along the way. This is the year my squat explodes... now that I'm doing it right after 5 years of on and off jerkaroundness.

[psychodiver9]

Yes. Before 2011 I never squatted to depth, never benched with a pause, and never consistently trained regular deadlifts.

I figured that's pretty good progress. Especially since my bench numbers are higher now then las year with half reps

[Dexter3000]

Stepped into my gym today and was reminded why I prefer to train early morning; so fukking many people at 1PM. There were actual waiting lines for the squat rack, benches etc. Wut?

Bro's to the left of me, bro's to the right.. here I am, stuck in the middle with bro's.

Made it a rest day and did an hour of mobility work and foam rolling instead. Can't wait for my complete gym serenity at 6 tomorrow!

[Vitek92]

Stepped into my gym today and was reminded why I prefer to train early morning; so fukking many people at 1PM. There were actual waiting lines for the squat rack, benches etc. Wut?

Bro's to the left of me, bro's to the right.. here I am, stuck in the middle with bro's.

Made it a rest day and did an hour of mobility work and foam rolling instead. Can't wait for my complete gym serenity at 6 tomorrow!

This is why I workout around 8pm and later that's when the gym gets emptier.

brb 10pm and nobody but my and the reception desk lady, who is cleaning up the gym

[snrygo]

How is this possible on a lat pulldown or general pull?

D handle on a cable tower

[Kirra]

Thinking of adding some calf work to my fullbody 3 times a week program just for the hell of it. Sets, reps? Something like 3x15 for standing calf raises I suppose?

[HunterCML]

Yes. Before 2011 I never squatted to depth, never benched with a pause, and never consistently trained regular deadlifts.

.... I don't wanna bench with a pause.

I'd probably have to drop 25lbs again from my working set and start over.

[MarkVI]

Thinking of adding some calf work to my fullbody 3 times a week program just for the hell of it. Sets, reps? Something like 3x15 for standing calf raises I suppose?

I'd go for 5 sets 3x a week in between heavier compounds personally.

[Kirra]

I'd go for 5 sets 3x a week in between heavier compounds personally.

That's actually pretty smart. Will do em between my squats and presses. Thank bruh <3

[LegosInMyEgos]

I want to be really lean, but I want to get stronger. what do?

[t1ger]

I want to be really lean, but I want to get stronger. what do?

Flip a coin.

[LegosInMyEgos]

Flip a coin.

I want to do both at the same time

[psychodiver9]

I want to be really lean, but I want to get stronger. what do?

Disregard v taper and aquire prs

[Lvisaa2]

I want to do both at the same time

Then do it. Eat a very moderate deficit and keep getting stronger. Maintain once you get low enough until you adjust to the new weight/bf%.

[JasonDB]

Then do it. Eat a very moderate deficit and keep getting stronger. Maintain once you get low enough until you adjust to the new weight/bf%.

There are limits to this. If people who have built a very powerful strength base could continually gain strength in a deficit or even at maintenance calories, we would have a lot more 181 lbs drug free trainees benching 600, squating 800 and deadlifting 900.

[Lvisaa2]

There are limits to this. If people who have built a very powerful strength base could continually gain strength in a deficit or even at maintenance calories, we would have a lot more 181 lbs drug free trainees benching 600, squating 800 and deadlifting 900.

Yes, but I think most under estimate the ability to continue strength gains while in a deficit. E can speak to exact numbers, but I know he has added a good amount to his total while being in a deficit for a good portion of it. Sure there is a limit, but why not test your own personal limit? Or should we just assume it is impossible and all get fat so we can be 'stronger'?

[JasonDB]

Yes, but I think most under estimate the ability to continue strength gains while in a deficit. E can speak to exact numbers, but I know he has added a good amount to his total while being in a deficit for a good portion of it. Sure there is a limit, but why not test your own personal limit? Or should we just assume it is impossible and all get fat so we can be 'stronger'?

Yes there absolutely will come a point where you will have to do that to some extent. Now if you think I am wrong, feel free to prove me wrong, get your bench up to 500 and your squat to 700 without eating at a surplus.

My point wasn't that it (gaining strength in a deficit) cannot be done but rather that the stronger you get the more difficult it will become, and you will reach a point where you cannot gain more strength without eating in a surplus. Again if it were possible to [bc]ontinually[/b] gain strength at a deficit or surplus we would see more guys after 15-20 years of continual training benching 4x bw and squating 5-6x bw. With an individual such as LIME who is already benching past 2x bw and squating over 2.5x bw, your advice might not actually be practical or workable. He may not be able to gain any strength in a deficit from where he is right now. I'm not saying he can't, I am saying that it is very well possible than he can't. He can certainly try, however it may not be obtainable. If it turns out to not be obtainable, he will have wasted time and energy towards his goals.

[illiniStrive]

Yes, but I think most under estimate the ability to continue strength gains while in a deficit. E can speak to exact numbers, but I know he has added a good amount to his total while being in a deficit for a good portion of it. Sure there is a limit, but why not test your own personal limit? Or should we just assume it is impossible and all get fat so we can be 'stronger'?

Yeah but didn't E say that prior to 2011 he had never squatted parallel and never trained deadlifts regularly? I think there's a difference between that and where LIME is now, no offense intended.

Not saying that strength gains are IMPOSSIBRU, but the stronger someone gets the tougher small increments get. The difference between a 300 and 350 deadlift for a guy isn't so much... the difference between a 550 and 600 deadlift for a natural trainee? Pretty large

Then again I partially think LIME is just trolling.

[ErickStevens]

Yeah but didn't E say that prior to 2011 he had never squatted parallel and never trained deadlifts regularly? I think there's a difference between that and where LIME is now, no offense intended.

Pretty much. My gains in 2011 were mostly a result of neurological adaptation. Squatting at least 2x per week for 12 months probably helped. I hit a wall at ~195lbs and pretty much decided to gain 15-20lbs in order to keep progressing.

LIME could easily go Jamie Lewis and drop ~20lbs the week before a weigh in.

[Lvisaa2]

Yes there absolutely will come a point where you will have to do that to some extent. Now if you think I am wrong, feel free to prove me wrong, get your bench up to 500 and your squat to 700 without eating at a surplus.

My point wasn't that it (gaining strength in a deficit) cannot be done but rather that the stronger you get the more difficult it will become, and you will reach a point where you cannot gain more strength without eating in a surplus. Again if it were possible to [bc]ontinually[/b] gain strength at a deficit or surplus we would see more guys after 15-20 years of continual training benching 4x bw and squating 5-6x bw. With an individual such as LIME who is already benching past 2x bw and squating over 2.5x bw, your advice might not actually be practical or workable. He may not be able to gain any strength in a deficit from where he is right now. I'm not saying he can't, I am saying that it is very well possible than he can't. He can certainly try, however it may not be obtainable. If it turns out to not be obtainable, he will have wasted time and energy towards his goals.

No offensive to LIME, but I don't think he is at the point where you need to do it(get fat). Granted everyone responds differently, but we have somewhat similar benches(granted he is lighter ), his squat ****s on mine and his DL is similar. Even without a completely strength based routine, I've been adding strength in a pretty severe deficit. I can not speak to whether it is possible for him, but I simply told him the way I'd go about it.

I swear you just want to argue with anyone who even suggests a cut. No one is telling you that you need to cut, but others may have different methods, strategies, and routes.

@ Illni, I didn't learn to properly squat or even DL(ondatIonTime) until the middle of last year. Feelsbadman.

[joelash302]

No offensive to LIME, but I don't think he is at the point where you need to do it(get fat). Granted everyone responds differently, but we have somewhat similar benches(granted he is lighter ), his squat ****s on mine and his DL is similar. Even without a completely strength based routine, I've been adding strength in a pretty severe deficit. I can not speak to whether it is possible for him, but I simply told him the way I'd go about it.

I swear you just want to argue with anyone who even suggests a cut. No one is telling you that you need to cut, but others may have different methods, strategies, and routes.

@ Illni, I didn't learn to properly squat or even DL(ondatIonTime) until the middle of last year. Feelsbadman.

I want to argue this, but I look at the PL raw rankings and I can not. Even the tested raw numbers are staggering.

[JasonDB]

No offensive to LIME, but I don't think he is at the point where you need to do it(get fat). Granted everyone responds differently, but we have somewhat similar benches(granted he is lighter ), his squat ****s on mine and his DL is similar. Even without a completely strength based routine, I've been adding strength in a pretty severe deficit. I can not speak to whether it is possible for him, but I simply told him the way I'd go about it.

I swear you just want to argue with anyone who even suggests a cut. No one is telling you that you need to cut, but others may have different methods, strategies, and routes.

@ Illni, I didn't learn to properly squat or even DL(ondatIonTime) until the middle of last year. Feelsbadman.

You seem to enjoy arguing when anyone suggest that one might need to eat at some point to gain strength just as much as I argue about the cut. ;-)

Keep in mind that I did a hard cut from August all the way to New Year, on a strength routine and took my squat from 225 to 315 whilst losing 30 lbs.... and have continued to lose fat slowly since then after upping my calories, and am still not by any means on a "true bulk". Granted I am coming back from a long detrained state and started using "help" in 2012.... but the point is I'm clearly not anti-cut, and have continually lost fat every month since last summer.

You have good genetics, and train very very hard and have achieved great results for it, and that is something to be proud of. However you've only been at this a short while, and perhaps haven't observed or worked with many trainees yet. Not everyone has the same ability, nor are they at the same level of development. There are people who are at a certain level of size or strength development who simply will not gain strength when cutting, and who will even regress slightly on their lifts on a cut regardless of how hard they train or how good their routine is. This is fine, because they can always regain the strength after they cut. So I am not saying they shouldn't cut, or shouldn't care about their bodyweight or body fat... only that there comes a point in everyone's development where they will have to pick and chose short term goals and can't have it all at once. The same will happen to you eventually as well. You will reach a point where you will not be able to get your squat or your bench any higher without eating more. I'm not saying that is where you are now, only that it will happen if you continue to train and progress.

[Lvisaa2]

I'm aware that people may respond differently, hence why if you read my last post, I specifically said that and he'd have to test it on his own. At a certain point, everything has to be maximized to add anything to the bar. I get that, I just think if he wants to be lean(not sure if he is trolling or not) then there is a possibility of doing it will continuing to progress in his strength goals.

Btw, before this cut I was on a bulk gaining ~4 lbs a month and am actually have/am a strong advocate of building up a foundation before you even contemplate cutting. 4/14 is my last day cutting then I'll be back to bulking until summer; wish some events had fallen differently so I could have a little different schedule, but that's life. Here in a few days, I'll post my bulking routine. It is relatively set, but you may have a few suggestions.