Damn this thread is going to grow exponentially, I commend you on your efforts to better tbb
I find that if I didn't get at least 4 reps last session, there's no way I can move the weight up 5lbs and get 3 reps. I think you misread my poorly written description of what I'm doing as getting 4-5 sets of 4-5 reps. What I meant is before moving the weight up I try to get 4-5 reps for 4 working sets.
I'm not sure if what I'm doing qualifies as powerlifting, I'm not aiming for 1RMs. I cannot perform flat bench at all, it can destroy my shoulder after 6 repetitions of less than a plate. I've tried cable flies, dumbbell flies, flat barbell bench, flat dumbbell bench etc... all I can do for chest is incline barbell bench press and decline smith bench press without crippling myself.
I've never followed a proven training program. I had no idea how to change the program to suit my injury. Previous to it my dad didn't let me do squats or deadlifts, it seemed like that threw the majority (if not all) of the pre-made programs out the window.
Thanks.
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11-25-2012, 02:02 PM #121November 2013 Meet Lifts
83kg Class
145 Squat
90 Bench
170 Deadlift
Best Gym Lifts
75kg Bodyweight
145x2 Squat
110 touch'n'go Bench
190 Deadlift
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11-25-2012, 02:15 PM #122
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Inseason Workout
I'm in my rugby season so I only lift twice a week, 3 times if I'm lucky. Goals are strength and mass, I progress linearly on the major compound lifts. Try to go up 5lbs a week on exercises
The main structure of my program is to do one major upper pushing exercise, one upper pulling exercise and then a compound leg exercise and follow that up with a more bodybuilding style workout. I also chuck in Olympic lifts here and there also.
WORKOUT A
Flat BB Bench Press - 3x5
Squat - 3x5
Incline/Flat DB Bench Press - 2x8
Pendlay Rows - 3x5
Shrugs - 3x12
Chin-ups 3 sets max reps
Curls 2 sets of 12
Defranco ab circuit or deadlift singles
WORKOUT B
Free Squat/ Box Squat - 5x5
Flat BB Bench Press - 5x5
Pendlay Rows 3x5
DB Rows 2x8
Shrugs - 3x12
Tricep Pushdown - 3x15
Defranco ab circuit or deadlift singles
I plan on changing my routine once the offseason comes and I can lift more frequently
I do 3x5 on the first workout when I jump up a weight. If I have got the 3x5 successfully I then do 5x5 on the following workout and increase next week or I increase straight awayLast edited by thenewguy23; 11-25-2012 at 11:00 PM.
Bench: 255lbs (115kg)
Squat: 320lbs (145kg)
Deadlift: 430lbs (195kg)
"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack in will." Vince Lombardi.
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11-25-2012, 02:29 PM #123
If you are limited to short workouts then pick the most important exercises.
Legs day- Squat, Leg Press, Stiff Deadlift, Leg Curl (can superset LE)
Push day - Bench, Incline, Side Raises, Lying Tricep Extension, Overhead Extension
Pull Day - Deadlift, Barbell Row, Pullups, Rear Raises, Barbell Curl / Incline Curl
Legs,Push,Pull,off,Repeat is good; standard training routine. Maybe on your off days you can train your calves so you don't regret it one day! 3x5 is a good progression/strength based protocol. 3x8-12 is great for hypertrophy emphasis. Seems like you have everything in line.
Keep your rest periods around 1 minute or less;2 minutes before the real big exercises. You should be out rather quick
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11-25-2012, 02:33 PM #124
This is a rather difficult situation. Here is my suggestion : Train Full Body every other day . Focus on the Big Lifts that you Can Do . Follow a 3x5 scheme for the big compound lifts, and a 3x8 / 3x10 for the hypertrophy / isolation lifts.
Example:
Monday - Front Squat, Incline Barbell Bench , Barbell Row , Pullups, Barbell Curls , Tricep Extensions, Side/Rear Laterals etc.
I am not totally aware of all the exercises you can do. But pick about ~2 exercises maximum for the big muscle groups(Legs,Chest,Back) and ~1 exercise for the smaller muscle groups(Side Deltoid,Rear Deltoid,Bicep,Tricep)
If you can list out what exercises you CAN DO for each muscle group ; I can pick-and-sort for you what to do.
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11-25-2012, 02:35 PM #125
If you are in rugby season, can you not ask your coach for a more sport-specific program that won't interfere with your sport? Your sport should be your #1 priority if you are serious about it. I don't feel comfortable helping you until you seek council from somebody more qualified to give you advice on this.
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11-25-2012, 02:48 PM #126
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11-25-2012, 02:53 PM #127
Damn lol. That is gorgeous. Did you get that from strengthcamp? I might actually get on that one.
This. Or you could probably email strengthcamp and talk to Chris. He's been a big help to me in my past. I think it's a pretty good routine. You could probably email Joe Defranco. I think email would be better than talking to your coach lol. These guys have trained countless college and pro level athletes.This post is Natypes approved.
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11-25-2012, 02:59 PM #128
So Im part of my schools swim team, and heres my work out schedule
monday: Incline Bench Press: 4 x 8 reps
Pull ups: 4 x 8 reps
Weighted Wide Grip Dips: 3 x 10
Cable Rows: 3 x 10
Hanging Leg Raises: 3 x max reps
Plank: 5 minutes total (as many sets as it takes)
swim practice(4-6)
tuesday:swim practice (430-6) Swim meets usually on this day
wednesday:Seated DB Shoulder Press: 4 x 8 reps
Lateral Raises: 3 x 10 reps
Bent Over Rear Delts: 3 x 10 reps
Standing Dumbbell Curls: 4 x 8 reps
Skull Crushers: 4 x 8 reps
swim practice (4-6)
thursday:swim practice (430-6) Swim meets usually on this day
friday:Incline Bench Press: 4 x 8 reps
Pull ups: 4 x 8 reps
Weighted Wide Grip Dips: 3 x 10
Cable Rows: 3 x 10
Hanging Leg Raises: 3 x max reps
Plank: 5 minutes total (as many sets as it takes)
is there something i need to change in my lifting. I hear that I need to do more reps but not sure what to do
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11-25-2012, 02:59 PM #129
Back Squats,Front Squats,and Leg Extensions I suppose. Yes, do DB Upright Rows if you can; they will be safer than Barbells with regards to Shoulder Impingement. If you are still not happy with your strength, you may want to consider following a strength program as they will make you stronger than trying to make up your own routine. Just keep in mind, the more frequent you train a lift, the faster you will get strong at it.Bench,Squat,Row,etc as much as possible.
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11-25-2012, 03:00 PM #130
Chest - Incline barbell, Decline Smith
Back - Any sort of rowing movement. Nothing overhead, ie lat pull downs.
Shoulders - Nothing
Legs - Everything other than back squats
Biceps - Everything
Triceps - Everything but db overhead extensions
Forearms - Everything
Trapezius - Shrugs
No deadlifts.November 2013 Meet Lifts
83kg Class
145 Squat
90 Bench
170 Deadlift
Best Gym Lifts
75kg Bodyweight
145x2 Squat
110 touch'n'go Bench
190 Deadlift
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11-25-2012, 03:02 PM #131
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11-25-2012, 03:05 PM #132
Incline Barbell Bench,Close Grip Bench(on Inc/Dec),Barbell Row,TBAR Row,Front Squats,Leg Press,Hamstring Curls,Barbell Curl/Incline Dumbbell Curl, Lying Tricep Extensions/Rope Pushdowns, Shrugs
Pick 1-2 exercises per muscle group(Quads,Hams,Chest,Tricep,Bicep,etc) and do it several times a week.
Example:
Monday - Incline Bench,Close Grip Decline; Front Squat,Leg Press,Leg Curl ; Barbell Row,TBAR Row ; Barbell Curl, Lying Tricep Extension
Wednesday - Incline Bench,Close Grip Decline; Front Squat,Leg Press,Leg Curl ; Barbell Row,TBAR Row ; Barbell Curl, Lying Tricep Extension
Friday - Incline Bench,Close Grip Decline; Front Squat,Leg Press,Leg Curl ; Barbell Row,TBAR Row ; Barbell Curl, Lying Tricep Extension
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11-25-2012, 03:13 PM #133
This post is regarding a modified PHAT routine. My first question is why does phat have a one day rest between upper body workouts, but a two day rest between lower body? I was under the impression that legs recover faster and can take a more strenuous workload. PHAT says to do:
Day 1: upper body power
Day 2: lower body power
Day 3: rest
Day 4: shoulders/back hypertrophy
Day 5: lower body hypertrophy
Day 6: chest/arms hypertrophy
Day 7: rest
•Wouldn't it make more sense to swap day 5 and day 6 to give more rest for both upper and lower body, but primarily upper? Anyways, how is my modified phat routine?
Day 1: Upper Body Power
• Pressing Power Movement: Flat Barbell Bench Press
3 sets of 3-5 reps
• Assistance pressing movement: Seated DB Shoulder Press
3 sets of 6-8 reps
• Assistance pressing movement: Weighted Dips
2 sets of 6-10 reps
• Auxiliary extension movement: Skull Crushers
2 sets of 8-10 reps
• Pulling Power Movement: Bent Over Rows
3 sets of 3-5 reps
• Assistance Pulling movement: Weighted Pull Ups
2 sets of 6-10 reps
• Auxiliary Pulling movement: Dumbbell Rows
2 sets of 6-8 reps
• Auxiliary curling movement: EZ Bar Curls
3 sets of 8-10 reps
Day 2: Lower Body Power
• Power movement: Deadlift
3 sets of 1-3 reps
• Assistance pressing movement: Leg Press
3 sets of 6-8 reps
• Assistance extension movement: Leg Extensions
3 sets of 10-12 reps
• Assistance pulling movement: Stiff Legged Deadlifts
3 sets of 5-8 reps
• Assistance pulling movement: Lying Hamstring Curls
3 sets of 10-12 reps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Back and Shoulders Hypertrophy
• Pulling Power Exercise: Bent Over Row
3 sets of 5 reps
• Hypertrophy pulling movement: Dumbbell Rows
3 sets of 8-10 reps
• Hypertrophy pulling movement: Hammer Strength Low Row Machine
3 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy pulling movement: Lat Pull Downs
2 sets of 12-15 reps
• Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Seated Dumbbell Press
3 sets of 8-12 reps
• Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Upright Rows
2 sets of 12-15 reps
• Hypertrophy shoulder movement: DB Side Lateral Raises
3 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy pulling movement: Dumbbell Shrugs
3 sets of 12-15 reps
Day 5: Lower Body Hypertrophy
• Lower Body Power Exercise: Squats
3 sets of 3-5 reps
• Hypertrophy pressing movement: Weighted DB Lunges
3 sets of 8-10 reps
• Hypertrophy pressing movement: Leg Press
2 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy extension movement: Leg extensions
2 sets of 12-15 reps
• Hypertrophy pulling movement: Stiff Legged Dead Lifts
3 sets of 6-8 reps
• Hypertrophy curling movement: Leg curls
4 sets of 12-15 reps
Day 6: Chest and Arms Hypertrophy
• Pressing Power Exercise: Flat DB Bench
3 sets of 6-8 reps
• Hypertrophy pressing movement: Incline Dumbbell Press
3 sets of 8-12 reps
• Hypertrophy pressing movement: Hammer Strength Chest Press
2 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy fly movement: Cable Flyes/Incline Seated Cable Flyes (alternating?)
3 sets of 12-15 reps
• Hypertrophy curling exercise: Hammer Strength Preacher Curl Machine
3 sets of 8-12 reps
• Hypertrophy curling exercise: Reverse grip EZ Bar Curls
2 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy curling exercise: Seated DB Incline Curl
2 sets of 12-15 reps
• Hypertrophy extension exercise: Seated DB Tricep Press
3 sets of 8-10 reps
• Hypertrophy extension exercise: Tricep Pushdown (rope variation)
3 sets of 10-12 reps
• Hypertrophy extension exercise: Cable Kickbacks
2 sets of 12-15 reps
Day 7: Rest
Points of interest:
• I don't train calves because my genetics gave me giant-manly calves without ever working them out.
• On Day 6, should I choose between incline flyes and regular flyes, or continue alternating each week?
• Upright Rows will frequently give me a "twinge"-like feeling in my left rotator cuff. Should I cut this exercise out, replace it, or lower the weight? I'm already lifting pretty light on it and aim for 15 reps each set (40lbs).
• On Day 1 and 4, what can I replace DB Row with? My gym only has DBs that go up to 100lbs and I will using the 100s very soon. Maybe hammer strength high row machine?
• 1-3 times a week I'll do a 5k run, usually on upper body days or rest days. This shouldn't affect anything as long as I eat calories to replace those burned?
I want to thank SamSix for posting the initial modifications.
Any corrections/advice is welcome. Thanks.
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11-25-2012, 03:18 PM #134
Day 1 (Legs, calves)
Squat 2 X 8-12
One leg leg press 3 X 8-12
Leg extensions 3 X 8-12
Deadlift 2 X 8-12
Lying leg curl 2 X 8-12
Standing calf raise 3 X 15-25
Seated calf raise 3 X 15-25
Calf on the leg press 3 X 15-25
Day 2 (Chest-triceps-shoulders-traps)
Bench press 2 X 8-12
Incline bench press 2 X 8-12
Incline dumbbell flyes 2 X 8-12
Triceps pushdown 3 X 8-12
Skull crushers 2 X 8-12
Cable overhead triceps extension 2 X 8-12
Shoulder press 3 X 8-12
Lateral raise 2 X 8-12
High cable rear delt flyes 2 X 8-12 *
Barbbell shrugs 3 X 8-12
Day 3 (Back - Biceps - Abs)
Dumbell row 3 X 8-12
Wide-grip pulldown 2 X 8-12
TBAR Row 2 X 8-12 *
Straight arm pulldown 3 X 8-12
Barbbell curl 3 X 6-12
Incline dumbbell curl 2 X 8-12
Preacher curl 2 X 8-12 *
So I drop some exercices to 2 reps and change some exercice too like the one for the delt (High cable rear delt flyes) and one for the biceps (Preacher curl). Also, is this ok to keep the 3 exercices that I have with 3 sets for the calves?
Thanks again!
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11-25-2012, 03:52 PM #135
Looking to do this Push/Pull/Legs routine after Christmas in my new home gym. I have a squat rack, a bench, back extension, pull-up and dip station, Olympic bar and ez bar, dumbbells. Looking to purchase a t-bar row asap. I can't deadlift. All working sets.
Chest, Front/Side Delts & Triceps
BB Flat Bench 3x3
DB Incline Bench 3x8
BW/Weighted Dip 3x8
Lying Triceps Press 3x8
Overhead Triceps Press 3x8
DB Lateral Raise 3x8
Upper Back, Traps, Rear Delts & Biceps
BW/Weighted Pull-Up 4x8
One-Arm Row 4x8
BB Shrug 4x8
DB Rear Delt Fly 4x8
EZ-Bar Curl 3x8
DB Curl 3x8
Legs & Lower Back
Back Extension 3x8
BB Back Squat 3x3, 3x8
BB Front Squat 3x3, 3x8
DB/BB Glute Ham Raise 3x8
BB Seated Calf Raise 3x8
BB Standing Calf Raise 3x8
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11-25-2012, 04:13 PM #136
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11-25-2012, 04:23 PM #137
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11-25-2012, 04:27 PM #138
I really hope when you say 3 sets by 8 reps. Thats including 1 warmup set. I hope your not doing 3 working sets. 1-2 working sets is enough.
I would switch out db lateral raise, with barbell upright row.
Also i would get rid of weighted dips if i were you. In my opinion close grip bench is a much better exercise for the triceps. I hope thats why your doing dips for.
Dips are very,very hard on the joints/tendons and shoulders
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11-25-2012, 04:31 PM #139
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11-25-2012, 05:05 PM #140
I'm interested in your opinion on PHAT. Also your opinion on a modification of PHAT. The exercises and sets would be the same on hypertrophy days just with higher reps.
Upper power
Lower power
Rest
Upper hypertrophy
Lower hypertrophy
Full body
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11-25-2012, 05:07 PM #141
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11-25-2012, 05:27 PM #142
I'm doing a modified version of PHAT that I saw someone else post a while back. How does it look?
Monday - Upper power
Tuesday - Lower power
Wednesday - Rest
Thursday - Chest/Arms hypertrophy
Friday - Legs hypertrophy
Saturday - Back/Shoulders hypertrophy
I've been running it for a few weeks and I really like it. I know most people will say that it's difficult to work your back and shoulders effectively on the same day but my back is my most well developed muscle group and I think my exercise selection is very efficient for both groups.
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11-25-2012, 05:43 PM #143
strength routine, workout A rest day workout B rest day etc.
17yr 6'0 173lb
400 cal surplus
reps/sets listed are working sets
help me improve
A)
back squat 5x5 160
Bench 5x5 135
reverse grip bent over barbell row 5x5 120
dumbell shrug 3x8 2 55's
tricep pulldown 3x8 40
Pull up 5x5 bw
behind the back barbell forearm curl 3x8 75
hyperextension 3x10 holding 40lbs
calve extensions on the leg press 3x8-12 220
8 min abs at home with planks added (definitely need better ab workouts)
B)
back squat 5x5
Deadlift 1x5 195
Seated military press 5x5 100
reverse grip bent over barbell row 5x5
close grip bench 3x8 115
barbell curl 3x8 60
behind the back forearm curl 3x8
calve extension on the leg press 3x8-12
8 min abs + planks
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11-25-2012, 05:56 PM #144
Monday Wednesday and Friday
Deadlift 2x5
Shoulder press 2x6
Pull up 2x8
Rows 2x6
Tuesday and Thursday
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
Hang cleans 2x5
Pulls downs 2x12
I'm training for strength. at the end of each dead lift session I do weighted crunches and hanging leg raises.
I eat an excess of 4000 calories every day drink half a gallon of milk.
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11-25-2012, 06:06 PM #145
lol
OP is one of the biggest frauds on the internet.
He has never posted a single picture of him, and on ones that are actually him, he is either 40% body fat, or skinny fat. He gets off on the "fact" that his e stat bench is high, and that his gym is supposedly filled with strong people.
you are better off taking advice on walking from a paraplegic since birth than taking OPs lifting advice.
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11-25-2012, 06:14 PM #146
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11-25-2012, 06:27 PM #147
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Just made this one, thoughts?
Legs A
Push A
Pull A
Legs B
Push B
Pull B
Rest
^ Repeat
Legs A
Front Squats 5/3/1
Leg Press 3x12
RDL 3x12
Leg Ext 2x12
Standing Calf Raises 4x12
Abs
Push A
BB Flat Bench 5/3/1
DB Incline Bench 3x8-12
Cable Flies 3x12-15
Skullcrushers 3x8-12
Upright Row 3x12-15
Tricep Pushdowns 3x12-15
Pull A
Pendlay Row 5/3/1
One-Arm Bent Over Row 3x8-12
Seated Row 3x8-12
BB Curls 3x10-12
Hammer Curls 2x10-12
Facepulls 3x12-15
Legs B
Sumo Deadlift 5/3/1
Split Squats 3x8-12
Leg Press 3x12
Leg Curls 3x8-12
Standing Calf Raises 3x12
Seated Calf Raises 2x12
Abs
Push B
OHP 5/3/1
DB Flat Bench 3x8-12
Chest Dips 3x8-12
French Press 3x8-12
Tricep Pushdowns 3x12-15
Lateral Raises 3x12-15
Pull B
Pullups 3x8-12
T-bar Row 3x8-12
CG Reverse Pulldowns 2x12-15
DB Incline Curls 3x8-12
DB Concentration Curls 2x12-15
Shrugs 3x8-12
Training: 26 months, mostly hypertrophy based, 5/3/1 for strength prog on big lifts doe.Every aspiring lad wants to be a bodybuilder, but by George, nobody wants to elevate these burdensome weights.
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11-25-2012, 06:46 PM #148
Bit of background, been lifting solidly for 1.5 years now, started on a bro split, made pretty big strength gains on SS for a good 4-5 months, and then 5/3/1 with a bodybuilding split until I saw my physio about a back injury. After this started floating around with routines feeling a little lost because I couldn't squat/deadlift and plateaued for a good 5 months until the middle of this year. Got a bit of motivation back on a legs/push/pull routine I made up and it's been going great for the last couple months. However I'm looking to change it up now because:
1. Started training with my 15 year old brother about 6 weeks ago, don't want him caught up with suboptimal training for his potential
2. My emphasis lately has been on hypertrophy due to limitations in doing straight strength training
3. After seeing a better physio lately I can squat again, but he is still recommending laying off deadlifting (even bent-over rows stiffen up my back quickly)
4. Therefore I want to re-incorporate strength style training
5. Limited to 3 day split, 4th day left as 'optional'
Physique Weak Points:
1. Upper chest (mainly from powerlifting-style bench)
2. Back width
3. Hamstrings
4. Arms (especially triceps)..
Genetically my families' legs are ridiculous and so I don't want to put too much emphasis on them right now (finding pants that fit sucks right now)
So basically I have come up with a routine that works with bringing up my weak points (physique-wise), working around my injuries/rehab (back + shoulders) plus giving my brother a solid foundation, while still gaining strength:
Upper/Lower w/5x5 for main lifts
Monday - Upper A
5x5 - Incline BB Press
3x8-10 - Flat DB Press
5x5 - Elevated Pendlay Row
3x8-10 - Lat Pulldown
3x6-10 - Alternating DB Curl
FST-7 style machine preacher curls*
Tuesday - Lower A
5x5 - Squat
3x10-12 - Leg Press
3-5x12 - Lying Leg Curl
3x12-15 - Hyperextension
3-5x12 - Calf Raise Variant
Thursday - Upper B
5x5 - Elevated Pendlay Row
3x8-10 - Lat Pulldown
3x15 - Face Pulls
5x5 - Overhead Press OR 3x8-10 Seated DB Shoulder Press
3x8-10 - Incline DB Press
3x6-10 - V-bar pressdown
FST-7 style overhead cable tricep extensions*
Saturday - Lower B (optional)
5x5 - Squat
3x8-10 - Hack Squat
3x12-15 - Hyperextension
3x10-12 - Glute Ham Raise/DB Romanian Deadlift
3-5x12 - Calf Raise variant
Ab work is scattered but pretty consistent with hanging leg raises, dragon flags and normal crunches.
*The volume training has been working awesomely for bringing up my arms in the last couple months, put on a good inch in the last 3 or so months.
Issues I'm contemplating
1. A pressing issue (literally) is that I'm not sure whether it would be more beneficial to reincorporate flat barbell bench as my main chest movement and follow it up with incline DB bench instead..
2. To try lessen time in the gym I'm wondering whether 4x6 rep scheme would be better than 5x5. Not a major one I guess.
Critique?Last edited by mrjoboto; 11-25-2012 at 08:47 PM.
Powerbuilding.
Current maxes (metric system yo):
Squat - 150
Bench - 125
DL - 160 (last done 3/12, back issues)
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11-25-2012, 06:46 PM #149
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11-25-2012, 07:01 PM #150
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At the moment I do this workout eod:
Chest[8-20] - 6-8sets of Incline, 3-4sets of Dips, 3-4sets of standingCableFlyes, and 3-4sets of BB Pullovers.
Back[20] - 3-4sets of Chins, 6-8sets of bentOverRows, 6-8sets of WG pullDowns, 3-4sets of goodMornings, and 6-8sets of SLDLs.
Tri's[8-20] - 3-4sets of RG Presses, 6-8sets of skullCrushers, 3-4sets of Dips, 3-4sets of ropeExtensions (dropSets).
Bi's[8-20] - 3sets CG Curls, 3sets of WG Curls, 3-4sets of preacherCurls/spiderCurls, 3-4sets of cableCurls, 3-4sets of hammerCurls (dropSets).
**** legs.
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