My daughters personal trainer verified info from here - stuff I didn't believe in

[metalmancpa]

Each day I move farther away from my "incorrect" views on nutrition and the human body.

My daughter met with her personal trainer today for the 1st time with one goal - lose weight and gain strength and muscle definition. She does need a PT for motivational purposes - she needs someone to kick her in the a$$, and I can't do that on the phone. She has tried and tried again on her own to get a routine going, but hasn't been able to.

When they got to nutrition, he told her things that I didn't think were true until I found this forum (remember I came from that lose weight do cardio less fat blah blah blah world). These are a few quotes my daughter said her trainer told her and that I've learned quickly are key:

You're not eating enough. You're messing up your metabolism be eating too few calories.
Cheat meals - do them. Tricks the body, and also teaches you that most foods you thought were bad aren't - you won't die or be effected by them (of course, moderation).
Having muscle will help you burn more fat than all that cardio you were trying to do. Muscle burns fat.

And to think I though I was heading in the right direction for the past 30 years. I mean, I was to a point as I have great cardio endurance and am lean. But I was working too hard at eating less and cardio more. In my case, 9 weeks into body building and I've put on about 4 pounds eating probably around 500-600 calories more per day than I was in those cardio days. Amazing what you can learn if you open you eyes.

[Domicron]

congrats. there are a lot of poor PTs and nutritionists out there. glad to see some of them know what they're doing.

[InItForFitness]

Ya think we were lying to you OP?

[MrBillson]

On a side note: I recently got my PT qualification and it was absolutely shocking how misinformed the teachers were on some areas of nutrition.

At one point I was more or less arguing with my tutor about calories in v calories out being more effective to weight management than insulin control. He literally said that the second law of thermodynamics does not apply in the human body.

[Ghosting]

He literally said that the second law of thermodynamics does not apply in the human body.

I will be impressed if you didn't laugh uncontrollably.

[metalmancpa]

Ya think we were lying to you OP?

On Day #1 here, I thought you were all clueless muscle heads who stared in the mirror flexing (OK, not really) who ate anything they wanted and I was the "expert" because I was lean and mean.

If I put the lean world on one end of a pendulum and body building on the other, I now believe the pendulum of truth with nutrition as an overall physical and mental approach to ones self is healthier on the body building side.

[MrBillson]

I will be impressed if you didn't laugh uncontrollably.

Oh I had a good chuckle. Unfortunately everyone else in the room was just blindly agreeing with him.

I think the short nutrition part of that course may have been the most frustrating thing I have ever had to endure.

[Ghosting]

Unfortunately everyone else in the room was just blindly agreeing with him.

Funny yet sad that the teacher is sending people out with bad info. Stuff just keeps spreading.

Will rep on RC

[cls91]

Funny yet sad that the teacher is sending people out with bad info. Stuff just keeps spreading.

Will rep on RC

I'm not sure if its different based on the city/country etc. but can't PT's not legally give out nutritional advice?

[InItForFitness]

Oh I had a good chuckle. Unfortunately everyone else in the room was just blindly agreeing with him.

I think the short nutrition part of that course may have been the most frustrating thing I have ever had to endure.

It's amazing how the mass media can influence others with no real research needing to be provided.

"Well ****, CNN told me sugar is toxic...so okay than!"

[MrBillson]

I'm not sure if its different based on the city/country etc. but can't PT's not legally give out nutritional advice?

We can't write specialist meal plans or give specific micronutrient recommendations.

Nutritional adviser is an unprotected title, so anybody can give advice. You just can't get too specific.

[Ghosting]

I'm not sure if its different based on the city/country etc. but can't PT's not legally give out nutritional advice?

Possibly true? Then again, you can't out exercise a bad diet, so how would you teach a client about energy (calories)?

[metalmancpa]

Possibly true? Then again, you can't out exercise a bad diet, so how would you teach a client about energy (calories)?

Bring them to a gas station, stick a nozzle down their throats, and discuss the meaning of fuel

[Ghosting]

It's amazing how the mass media can influence others with no real research needing to be provided.

"Well ****, CNN told me sugar is toxic...so okay than!"

Totally agree. EVERYONE tells me I'm wrong if the media told them different.

[Ghosting]

Bring them to a gas station, stick a nozzle down their throats, and discuss the meaning of fuel

lol

[MrBillson]

Totally agree. EVERYONE tells me I'm wrong if the media told them different.

Yep. I was sitting in the class saying that you can't gain weight in an energy deficit as you simply cannot create mass from nothing.

He couldn't give a proper answer, but I felt I had to stop as he was the man who decided whether or not I passed the course.

The painful thing is not a single person in the room even considered the idea that the research being cited in the classes was complete BS. They just ha the attitude of "he's the teacher, everything he says is correct". Nobody questions anything they're told these days.

[Simmo0508]

Yep. I was sitting in the class saying that you can't gain weight in an energy deficit as you simply cannot create mass from nothing.

He couldn't give a proper answer, but I felt I had to stop as he was the man who decided whether or not I passed the course.

The painful thing is not a single person in the room even considered the idea that the research being cited in the classes was complete BS. They just ha the attitude of "he's the teacher, everything he says is correct". Nobody questions anything they're told these days.

I had it when I was studying 10 years ago for my certifications. Our teacher was all about that "stoking the metabolic fire" nonsense and the "throw constant pieces of wood into the fire and watch it spread faster!" analogy.

Yes, I even rolled my eyes then when I wasn't even as cluey about things as I am these days.

It's the prime reason why there's a lot of sucky PT's out there. They don't know any different, simply put. They just do the course, do the exam, do what they're told, and don't question things or research deeper in their own time.

GNC for example would be out of business if it wasn't the case.

[InItForFitness]

Totally agree. EVERYONE tells me I'm wrong if the media told them different.

I feel your pain.
It blows my mind how delusional they can be in the face of actual evidence, just because it contradicts what the media has pounded into their little brains all these years and they're incapable of accepting change.

[respawn]

You're not eating enough. You're messing up your metabolism be eating too few calories.
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personal trainers are not nutritionists and are not allowed by law to give nutrition plans or diets. just give very basic advice.

what is your daughters TDEE and how much did she say she was eating for the trainer to say this?

[metalmancpa]

personal trainers are not nutritionists and are not allowed by law to give nutrition plans or diets. just give very basic advice.

what is your daughters TDEE and how much did she say she was eating for the trainer to say this?

I think my daughter said the trainer calculated her maintenance (I'll have to ask my daughter if her trainer used the term TDEE) at around 2,000 or so, and my daughter said she was eating around 1,500. And I also believe he is a nutritionist, again though, I will ask.

[respawn]

I think my daughter said the trainer calculated her maintenance (I'll have to ask my daughter if her trainer used the term TDEE) at around 2,000 or so, and my daughter said she was eating around 1,500. And I also believe he is a nutritionist, again though, I will ask.

I have done 2 nutrition courses and I am not classed a dietitian as well as my PT courses. trainer was talking about metabolic damage which may not occur at 1500. legally anyone with a qualification on the forums can not give all that much advice in individuals without screening them first.

[schnauzers]

I don't know about the metabolic damage part. I agree that she likely doesn't need to be eating 1500 calories but I thought metabolic damage wasn't all that easy to achieve. Isn't that a term that gets thrown around too much? Can anyone explain?

Also the cheat meal trickery? Not quite but I like the sentiment of it not being a big deal to eat foods that one thought they had to totally avoid.

[Ghosting]

I don't know about the metabolic damage part. I agree that she likely doesn't need to be eating 1500 calories but I thought metabolic damage wasn't all that easy to achieve. Isn't that a term that gets thrown around too much? Can anyone explain?

Metabolic damage was a term I heard from Layne Nortons youtube vid. Maybe someone can explain it. I listened to the vid but didn't pay enough attention to fully understand it as it wasn't useful to me personally other than knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk

(Link to Layne talking about metabolic damage)

[WormyJackal]

Biology OP

[respawn]

Metabolic damage was a term I heard from Layne Nortons youtube vid. Maybe someone can explain it. I listened to the vid but didn't pay enough attention to fully understand it as it wasn't useful to me personally other than knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk

(Link to Layne talking about metabolic damage)

I have seen people in the forum say Layne knows absolutely nothing and anything he says meaning nothing. regardless that he has a PHD. people discredit him because they dont agree with him when they have no qualifications themselves.

Lose weight too fast through too much cardio and diet deficient like the biggest loser contestants and your BMR does not have time to adjust meaning the weight loss is less likely to be permanent and very hard to keep off. The same with gaining weight / muscle. faster you build it the harder it is to keep.

[schnauzers]

Metabolic damage was a term I heard from Layne Nortons youtube vid. Maybe someone can explain it. I listened to the vid but didn't pay enough attention to fully understand it as it wasn't useful to me personally other than knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk

(Link to Layne talking about metabolic damage)

Yeah, I thought I read that he's the only one that goes on and on about metabolic damage but that metabolic damage isn't all that easy to achieve. I'm not sure though as I haven't made time to read up on that sort of thing as It won't apply to me.

[respawn]

Yeah, I thought I read that he's the only one that goes on and on about metabolic damage but that metabolic damage isn't all that easy to achieve. I'm not sure though as I haven't made time to read up on that sort of thing as It won't apply to me.

if you lose weight as a steady amount 1kg a week then thats healthy. same with muscle gains 500g - 1kg a month depending on stages of training. then you got nothing to worry about it. your BMR adjusts.

[44aussie]

On a side note: I recently got my PT qualification and it was absolutely shocking how misinformed the teachers were on some areas of nutrition.

At one point I was more or less arguing with my tutor about calories in v calories out being more effective to weight management than insulin control. He literally said that the second law of thermodynamics does not apply in the human body.

I did my PT quals recently too and had to bite my tongue big time. So much mis-information circulating. Rest of the course was very good.

[44aussie]

I'm not sure if its different based on the city/country etc. but can't PT's not legally give out nutritional advice?

Illegal in Australia to give out dietry advice as a pt unless you are a dietician but we can discuss calories and macros but can't suggest what food a client can eat.

[KyleAaron]

It's the prime reason why there's a lot of sucky PT's out there. They don't know any different, simply put. They just do the course, do the exam, do what they're told, and don't question things or research deeper in their own time.

GNC for example would be out of business if it wasn't the case.

Funnily enough, one of the girls graduating from my course went on to a job with GNC...