Can someone please explain to me why this is a bad thing?
I think it looks appealing.
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Thread: High Lats
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02-11-2007, 08:20 AM #1
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02-11-2007, 10:20 AM #12
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02-11-2007, 10:39 AM #13
I've been cursing my high lats for 25 years, and I can tell you from experience that it really limits how wide and thick you can grow your back. The muscle fibers are simply not there. Also, it makes your waist look longer, obviously, and it appears (and it's actually true) that there's no muscle from the bottom of the lats to the waist except for the obliques, and you don't really want to overdevelop the obliques. It also hurts the V-taper: you have a very high small taper and then it goes straight down into the waist. Ideally, you'd like to have the V seemingly end at the waist area instead of the top of the torso. And if that isn't enough, you don't have as much strength potential in back exercises, and even bench pressing. My genetics are darn good in every other area, but high lats have doomed me as a competitive bber.
What Bob said.
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02-11-2007, 10:41 AM #14
Forgot to say above, I have them too.
I could never figure out why. A. My lats didn't develop the way they should and B. Why I couldn't feel "regular" lat exercises.
Hammer chins and rowing to the waist have done me well though.
High lats look great in a t-shirt, but I'd rather have low lats.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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02-11-2007, 10:46 AM #15
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02-11-2007, 10:48 AM #16
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02-11-2007, 10:49 AM #17
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02-11-2007, 10:50 AM #18
Same here! Exactly!
Believe it or not, I hammered my back for over 20 years with very little lat development. It wasn't until the past 5 years that I've finally gotten respectable lat development. And me too, I couldn't feel the lats working either. What has helped me is being very strict with the movements and sacrificing the amount of weight I use. Also, concentrating on narrow and shoulder width grips on chins and pulldowns. Narrow grip t-bar rows and narrow grip cable rows have helped alot. I used to think that a wide grip meant a wide back, but it's actually opposite.
Anyway, I sympathize with you, but as you know, you can still build a very respectable physique. Congrats on your perserverence.
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02-11-2007, 10:54 AM #19
What sucked for me was I love back training. When other guys were benching, I was rowing.
My first workout book was the one that came from my "Sears" set. I just did all the exercises that said they were for back. lol.
First time my lats EVER got sore, was when I did hammer chins as part of an "Arnold" workout (from Encyclopedia). I was always in the gym trying different angles and such to hit my lats. The first time I did them though they were sore as hell.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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02-11-2007, 10:55 AM #20
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02-11-2007, 11:16 AM #28
Thanks for the posts guys and I pretty much agree. I can feel my lower lats and they seem to be low, but they also seem to be underdeveloped compared to my upper lats. I do yates rows every other week (opposite of deadlifts), Ill have to look up hammer chins maybe Ill add those in. Is it normal for lower lats to lag behind upper especially for a intermediete bber?
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02-11-2007, 11:53 AM #29
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