ok you guys, some of you are totally gonna disagree with me, but listen up. As stated in one of the earlier posts, the chest muscle consists of two main parts. There is NO separate lower chest muscle. If you look at a bodybuilder with massive pecs, the line you see underneath the chest is an illusion. It happens because the chest muscles are so heavy that gravity pulls them down, which causes a crease, which looks like lower pec definition. I know for a fact that a lot of the pros don't bother with bull**** decline benches, however incline bench presses are beneficial since they do target the upper head of the chest.
let the argument begin.
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11-26-2001, 07:46 AM #1
there's no such thing as LOWER CHEST! Grrr!!!
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11-26-2001, 10:22 AM #2
Re: there's no such thing as LOWER CHEST! Grrr!!!
Originally posted by Fatal Error
I know for a fact that a lot of the pros don't bother with bull**** decline benches, however incline bench presses are beneficial since they do target the upper head of the chest.
let the argument begin.
I for one would love to there the answer to this one.
Anyone with any true knowledge on this one ???
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11-26-2001, 10:35 AM #3
That is true that a lot of guys don't do decline bench. However, a lot of guys also make sure they do it. It is true that there are only two muscles in your chest. Pectoralis major and minor. These can be worked by incline and flat presses. Flat presses work some of both while incline works mainly the minor and decline works mainly the major. That is why people do decline presses. The defined line in the bottom of the chest comes from having a large pectoralis major, while a full upper chest comes from a massive pectoralis minor. So if you are having a hard time increasing the size of the major, decline presses will help you get that lower line. Also, flat presses put a lot of stress on the front delts and the rotator cuff, decline presses do not put so much stress on those areas.
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11-26-2001, 10:39 AM #4
I think that there is a such a thing as a lower chest. My chest is not very big in general, but my lower chest is a lot thicker than the rest of my chest. My middle, and especially upper chest are relatively flat, but the bottom of my chest sticks out from the rest of the muscle. Other people have noticed this too and commented that it looks strange.
Last edited by Tim; 11-26-2001 at 01:15 PM.
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11-26-2001, 10:53 AM #5
That is strange. It probably means that your pectoralis minor is very small. It is actually under the pectoralis major and makes the upper and middle pec major stick out when it is bigger. So if it is small and your pec major is big, it will look like you have and abnormally thick lower chest.
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11-26-2001, 11:31 AM #6
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my grandma has a lower chest
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11-26-2001, 11:33 AM #7
Re: there's no such thing as LOWER CHEST! Grrr!!!
Originally posted by Fatal Error
ok you guys, some of you are totally gonna disagree with me, but listen up. As stated in one of the earlier posts, the chest muscle consists of two main parts. There is NO separate lower chest muscle. If you look at a bodybuilder with massive pecs, the line you see underneath the chest is an illusion. It happens because the chest muscles are so heavy that gravity pulls them down, which causes a crease, which looks like lower pec definition. I know for a fact that a lot of the pros don't bother with bull**** decline benches, however incline bench presses are beneficial since they do target the upper head of the chest.
let the argument begin.
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11-26-2001, 02:12 PM #8
Gentlemen
Weighted parallel bar dips is a single exercise that can hit the entire chest.(not to mention delts and tris) No need to do 3 different presses. Did that in my younger years. Waste of time and leads to overtraining and injury. Presses in general are very difficult on the shoulder girdle.
Keep hittin'.
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11-26-2001, 10:15 PM #9
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What can I say?? Anyone elso who has gone to the anatomy labs and done the study can take me on in this but...
Pec major - 2 heads, each with a different nerve supply, different fibre orientation, can contract and develop independently of each other, are worked differently with different exercises, can be worked together.
Pec minor - small muscle that is difficult to strengthen and if strong and tight pulls the collarbone down. Not musch to do with bulking here.
Refer to my other posts and piccy attachments.
Correct naming for upper chest - pectoralis major clavicular head
Lower chest - pectoralis major sternal headThe science is out there!
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11-27-2001, 04:19 AM #10
hey ..
in dorian yates mass buidling schedual he said jsut do incline presses and flat presses. At the gym that i go to i dont see any of the big guys doin decline presses.
but on the other hand ronnie coleman reckons do flat, incline and decline.
This other guy in the gym said to me just to inccline and flat and gravity will pull it the pec down
but i aslo read anoter chest routine.....15 degree bench press, dumbell flatt press and flyes work the entire chest complex.
so i dont know..i do declin presses, flat presses and incline presses..and flyes all in one chest workout. im gonna change me routine now to exlude the flat bench press and im gonna do jsut 15 degree flat bech for lower risk of injury.TRAIN LIKE A HORSE, EAT LIKE A PIG AND GROW LIKE ARNY!
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11-27-2001, 07:56 AM #11
Fresch is right. There are heads on the pec major. Only what I have seen shows three heads, not two. Anyway, that's pretty much it for that. I do the decline and I wouldn't take decline movements out of my routine, I think they're too important to take out.
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11-27-2001, 08:01 AM #12
I have argued this on the last boards and I refuse to get into it again... so I will say this... use all the variations... decline flat and incline.
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05-22-2007, 02:51 PM #13
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05-22-2007, 02:52 PM #14
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05-22-2007, 02:55 PM #15
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05-22-2007, 02:58 PM #16
in the physiological community it is a fact that THERE IS such a thing as lower chest!!! basically, what you're saying is against accepted scientific fact. plus, i can confirm this with irrefutable personal experience. (there's a different story, however, with the inner/outer chest debate.)
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05-22-2007, 03:03 PM #17
lol.
Blood pressure goes downCSCS, ACSM cPT.
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05-22-2007, 03:37 PM #18
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05-22-2007, 05:24 PM #19
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I have never done decline press anything. I have a massive "lower chest" compared to my upper chest. I feel decline are not important to incline in your workout. Inclines and flat are all I do and I have had good results.
With a high intensity workout my whole chest is done from top to bottom with just Incline DB flat bench and flyes
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05-22-2007, 10:21 PM #20
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05-22-2007, 10:34 PM #21
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Burning fat and lowering water retention will make the lower pectoral definition stand out.
If you are looking for isolation of lower pecs , I would say do decline flies instead of presses...
The problem that I have with declines presses is that in order to really stimulate the chest , one should drop the bar to the chest on the decline.
This is dangerous at heavy weight. Most people decline and drop the bar to their stomach which make the exercise mostly a tricep/delt movement.
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05-23-2007, 03:56 AM #22
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05-23-2007, 04:03 AM #23
#1 - Incline
#2 - Decline
#3 Flat
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05-23-2007, 04:14 AM #24
Way to dig up this corpse of a thread and thoroughly f*ck it in the side of its rotting skull.
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05-23-2007, 04:18 AM #25
WOW. Strong 2001.
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05-23-2007, 05:56 AM #26
how do you get that lower chest separation then?
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05-23-2007, 06:16 AM #27
Hopefully in 5 years we'll get the same reaction to an INNER chest thread....
CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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05-23-2007, 06:37 AM #28
in my opinon if you want a full devloped chest you gotta hit it from all angles
granted the chest isnt split up into three different groups but you can train upper middle and lowerIn Hoots We Trust.
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05-23-2007, 07:20 AM #29
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Wow, a six year-old thread is resurrected...
Someone knows how to SEARCH for a change :-)Keep on hulkin'.
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05-24-2007, 04:11 PM #30
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