Kane Sumabat, is he human?

[timberwolf]

Yes, now read what I said 'tard.

His upper limit is based on people with the best genetic potential, diets, routines and work ethic. Also known as "very few people". It is funny how you get so defencive about it.

As funny as you not posting your own pic.

[The_Australian_Oak]

Kane, i sent you a PM. prob easier for u to answer it here.

what exercises do you do for lats? width especially? like yourself, i have high lat insertions and am struggling to get some width in my back. any advice brah?

[timberwolf]

Kane, i sent you a PM. prob easier for u to answer it here.

what exercises do you do for lats? width especially? like yourself, i have high lat insertions and am struggling to get some width in my back. any advice brah?

Lately I've split back workouts into vertical pull and horizontal pull.
On vertical pull days I do various pullup and pulldown exercise variations.
Look up hanging lever... I do hanging lever swings lately and actually feel those in my lats. Similar to stiff armed pulldown in terms of the motion...

Try this too...

[ace_gauntlit]

tw, please explain this:

[timberwolf]

Yes, now read what I said 'tard.

His upper limit is based on people with the best genetic potential, diets, routines and work ethic. Also known as "very few people". It is funny how you get so defencive about it.

As enjoyable as this banter is...
At 6 ft and 175lbs... do you already believe you're at your natural limit? Or is that 175lbs... at 15-20% body fat?

[oxs22]

Yes, now read what I said 'tard.

His upper limit is based on people with the best genetic potential, diets, routines and work ethic. Also known as "very few people". It is funny how you get so defencive about it.

Did you ever consider the fact that the reason he stands out so much is because he is dedicated enough to reach that upper limit? In all honesty, who cares if he used or uses brah. Neither answer is going to make YOUR physique any better.

[pu12en12g]

LOL! My gf doesn't believe in marriage

Now THAT'S a keeper

[Madevilz]

tw, please explain this:

timber does wtf he wants at the gym

srs

[FreshHero]

Hey Timber,

Wondering what you think of the Paleo diet. Some intresting research to support it, and works to be high fat/ moderate protien and low to moderate carbs, similar to your diet. Meant to be great for athletes. Any thoughts?

[jdjprimer19]

Hey Timber,

Wondering what you think of the Paleo diet. Some intresting research to support it, and works to be high fat/ moderate protien and low to moderate carbs, similar to your diet. Meant to be great for athletes. Any thoughts?

I can't speak for Kane, but here is what Alan stated so eloquently yesterday:

"Fred Flintstone is squirming in his grave wishing you had thicker skin (perhaps some mammoth hide is required). Here's what you need to understand. The Paleotards are the ones making the claims behind the diet, so it's the Paleotards that carry the burden of proof that their Paleotarded diet has special effects beyond macronutrient-matched diets that happen to include "Paleo-forbidden" foods."

[powercage]

Really?

He has used, at that low bodyfat. The are VERY few people in the World who can go below 8% and be over 170lbs without using unless they are midgets. (Not sure of his height.)

5'10 and shrinking. What are your basing this statement on?
Depending on your definition of 'very few'...I'd say you were wrong.

Gonna have to agree with Kane on this one. I hover around ~8% and I'm not even the best with keeping a perfect diet

[UxDOWN]

subbed. Sup Pare Kane!

[Mr.Zuka]

Lately I've split back workouts into vertical pull and horizontal pull.
On vertical pull days I do various pullup and pulldown exercise variations.
Look up hanging lever... I do hanging lever swings lately and actually feel those in my lats. Similar to stiff armed pulldown in terms of the motion...

Try this too...

imma do this shiit tomorrow...gjdm for the back idea!

[timberwolf]

Hey Timber,

Wondering what you think of the Paleo diet. Some intresting research to support it, and works to be high fat/ moderate protien and low to moderate carbs, similar to your diet. Meant to be great for athletes. Any thoughts?

I can't speak for Kane, but here is what Alan stated so eloquently yesterday:

"Fred Flintstone is squirming in his grave wishing you had thicker skin (perhaps some mammoth hide is required). Here's what you need to understand. The Paleotards are the ones making the claims behind the diet, so it's the Paleotards that carry the burden of proof that their Paleotarded diet has special effects beyond macronutrient-matched diets that happen to include "Paleo-forbidden" foods."

Alan is the man.
Anyone else here subscribe to his research review? Definitely recommend it.

[jdjprimer19]

Alan is the man.
Anyone else here subscribe to his research review? Definitely recommend it.

James Krieger just started a weekly review on his website, which I recommend in addition to Alan's!:

www.weightology.net

[FreshHero]

Alan is the man.
Anyone else here subscribe to his research review? Definitely recommend it.

Didnt know who he was until now, so was he mocking the diet? I can't tell :P

[Jayce_]

As funny as you not posting your own pic.

As enjoyable as this banter is...
At 6 ft and 175lbs... do you already believe you're at your natural limit? Or is that 175lbs... at 15-20% body fat?

I'm around 12% at the minute, because last year I spent most of it in and out of hospital having operations on my intestines. If I made teh gym a priority instead of my economic situation I could do a better job, but right now I'd rather have two jobs and be mortgage free by 28.

If you are in the minority who have never taken a cycle and pushed themselves to the top, then well done. Nothing I said was an insult. However you and I both know very few people will get the same results on you even if they did use the exact same routine and diet. last I checked his study showed the maximum someone could hit and very few people will hit the maximum.

Honestly if you are natural, good job. We just both know this site has been filled with people who claim natural for the best part of 5 years and aren't.

[BigBeard86]

hey timber, great physique. youve probably been asked this before, but what is your diet like? do you do bulk/cut cycles? what are your macros like?

[LAWMAN12]

I'm around 12% at the minute, because last year I spent most of it in and out of hospital having operations on my intestines. If I made teh gym a priority instead of my economic situation I could do a better job, but right now I'd rather have two jobs and be mortgage free by 28.

If you are in the minority who have never taken a cycle and pushed themselves to the top, then well done. Nothing I said was an insult. However you and I both know very few people will get the same results on you even if they did use the exact same routine and diet. last I checked his study showed the maximum someone could hit and very few people will hit the maximum.

Honestly if you are natural, good job. We just both know this site has been filled with people who claim natural for the best part of 5 years and aren't.

175 pounds under 8 percent can be achieved without steriods by many ppl..im 6'1 190 right now sitting at about 10%..if i drop to around 183 or 184..i would be below that. Thats with only 60-90 min a day MAX at the gym..6 days a week..with a clean diet. Most People dont achieve kane's results because they arent mentally dedicated, focused, and consistant. If they dont know what they are doing and thats the reason, then be smart enuf to ask som1 who does

[FreshHero]

I usually only take White Flood or just these Green Tea extract caps that contains 80mg caffeine. I take one or two caps or one or two scoops of White Flood, usually just before my leg workouts. As for food, I rarely eat before my workout. If I do most times, its usually just a piece of toast with nutella or butter. And that's usually only when I'm above maintenance calorie wise.

Hey mate,

I understand you don't eat before your workouts. I have read that this can even cause reduced muscle mass. Why do you not eat and how to do you get away with it? Does it stunt your strength? I work out early so be nice to know, I dont like eating that early.

[AK911PSU]

Lately I've split back workouts into vertical pull and horizontal pull.
On vertical pull days I do various pullup and pulldown exercise variations.
Look up hanging lever... I do hanging lever swings lately and actually feel those in my lats. Similar to stiff armed pulldown in terms of the motion...

Try this too...

what exactly does that second exercise you did work?

[timberwolf]

what exactly does that second exercise you did work?

Lats. And this is also another superset I've been incorporating daily to warmup my shoulder girdle but hits the lats and core very well too...

[Fedor1]

Timerwolf, what's your pre-workout meal?

You look ****ing sick considering your age

[timberwolf]

And this was the diet when I tried to just eat fast foods the entire day....

Ate McD Mcgriddle, KFC Big Crunch, 8oz. burger and then 2 baklavas... with two shakes....


This was not a typical day... Though it wouldn't have been too far off if I had dropped the McGriddle or the baklavas for something with less fat and carbs. LOL!

[ckuyook]

Who would win in a fight between Timberwolf and Mountain Man???

I remember MM had his several weeks of fame but he said he would never sell himself to appear in ads or anything like that and then he just disappeared

[Soon2Pump]

kane,why do you love BAKLAVAS?
BAKLA = gay right? lol

[IronLyfe]

And this was the diet when I tried to just eat fast foods the entire day....

Ate McD Mcgriddle, KFC Big Crunch, 8oz. burger and then 2 baklavas... with two shakes....


This was not a typical day... Though it wouldn't have been too far off if I had dropped the McGriddle or the baklavas for something with less fat and carbs. LOL!

tried..didnt work out?

[timberwolf]

tried..didnt work out?

Well... my fat intake that day was waaay too high. Especially considering my carb intake.
Again, it would have worked fine if I'd replaced the McGriddle with one or two shakes.

[skinnysteve]

timberwolf how many clap pullups can you do? its my goal to beat you.

in b4 only 156lbs lol

[timberwolf]

Who would win in a fight between Timberwolf and Mountain Man???

I remember MM had his several weeks of fame but he said he would never sell himself to appear in ads or anything like that and then he just disappeared

Mountain Man was cool as hell. Much respect to him.... Looked awesome.

kane,why do you love BAKLAVAS?
BAKLA = gay right? lol

LOL! I dropped my krispy kreme and Cold Stone ice cream while 'culking'. but replaced them with baklavas. 2-3 per day to keep my calories up.