My FB post on guns & civillians...

[taf1968]

Barnes pointed out that the paper gave “a list to any criminal of the houses that have guns in case they want to find a low-security environment in which to go and steal weapons.”

Also gives those same criminals a fairly decent list of neighbors of those gun owners who apparently do NOT have registered guns. But I'm sure the anti-gun crowd didn't think of THAT consequence while they were falling over themselves to defend the newpapaper's actions. Part of the deterrent is that criminals don't know who is armed and who isn't.

Next thing you'll have is an incentive program for people to turn in the names of their neighbors who have guns to the authorities "in the interests of community safety".

[SP1966]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/26...h-gun-permits/

Outrage After New York Newspaper Publishes Names and Addresses of Residents With Gun Permits


A New York newspaper is facing criticism for publishing the names and addresses of people with handgun licenses in an online map. The Journal News says the information was obtained through public records and defends publishing it, but many are outraged and feel the move creates severe security risks.

Attorney and policy advisor Michael Barnes joined Fox and Friends this morning and said that while the paper didn’t break any laws by publishing the information, it doesn’t mean it’s right that they did it. He called the action “divisive” and “dangerous.”

Barnes pointed out that the paper gave “a list to any criminal of the houses that have guns in case they want to find a low-security environment in which to go and steal weapons.”

The paper has defended its actions, releasing a statement that reads in part:

“The massacre in Newtown remains top-of-mind for many of our readers … Our readers are understandably interested to know about guns in their neighborhoods. We obtained the names and addresses of … residents who are licensed to own handguns through routine Freedom of Information law public-records requests.”

Barnes argued that by publishing the list, editors at the paper were ‘using tactics of the extreme left … to try to embarrass or otherwise to bully’ gun owners.

“This list exposes an inherent bias among the publishers and editors of this newspaper that somehow owning a handgun is socially unacceptable,” Barnes said.

I've really had it with those who think they can bully others into falling in line with their agenda. I will not shed a single tear if the editor of that newspaper were to turn up dead. I'm completely serious, these scumbags think they can continue to poke and prod without recourse, and by law they are right. If you poke and prod enough you'll eventually run into someone who doesn't care.

[JRT6]

Bet this liberal dosen't get prosecuted.

..Did TV Anchor Violate Gun Law?
By Shushannah Walshe | ABC OTUS News – 56 mins ago....Email 0Share TweetShare0Print......
Washington police are investigating whether NBC's David Gregory broke the law by holding up what appeared to be a 30-round gun magazine on Sunday's Meet the Press despite being denied permission by police to bring the weaponry on the show.

It is illegal in the district to possess a "large capacity ammunition feeding device."

Gwendolyn Crump, director of the Office of Communications for the Washington Metropolitan Police Department, told ABC News, "NBC contacted MPD inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for their segment. NBC was informed that possession of a high capacity magazine is not permissible and their request was denied. This matter is currently being investigated."

Another Washington DC police officer and spokesperson Tisha Gant said the situation was "being investigated," but would give no other details including what exactly is under investigation.

A section in the D.C. criminal code says "no person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm." The section stipulates that "the term large capacity ammunition feeding device means a magazine," or similar devices.

Gregory held up what looked like a 30-bullet gun magazine when interviewing the National Rifle Association's executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre on Sunday. Gregory pressed the NRA head on whether fewer children would have been killed during the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting on Dec. 14th if the shooter had access to less ammunition.

Since the interview, conservative media and gun rights activists said that Gregory appeared to have violated the district's gun law. Police subsquently confirmed they were investigating.

NBC News declined to comment through a spokesperson.

ABC News' George Sanchez and Steven Portnoy contributed to this report.

[mslman71]

"Gregory pressed the NRA head on whether fewer children would have been killed during the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting on Dec. 14th if the shooter had access to less ammunition."

It amazes me that these people have a job. If I were this inept I would be fired within a day. The subjects of magazine capacity and access to ammunition (in terms of total quantity) are two entirely different issues.

Forget that anyone reasonably competent and prepared can swap out a magazine in almost no time and with little fear of being physically stopped during the process when the environment is composed largely young children.

[Marius_Ursus]

"Gregory pressed the NRA head on whether fewer children would have been killed during the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting on Dec. 14th if the shooter had access to less ammunition."

It amazes me that these people have a job. If I were this inept I would be fired within a day. The subjects of magazine capacity and access to ammunition (in terms of total quantity) are two entirely different issues.

Forget that anyone reasonably competent and prepared can swap out a magazine in almost no time and with little fear of being physically stopped during the process when the environment is composed largely young children.

Dude, you must be out of the loop. Don't you remember when every mag manufacturer started making magazines that you use once then throw away?

[mslman71]

Dude, you must be out of the loop. Don't you remember when every mag manufacturer started making magazines that you use once then throw away?

Cool. Are they "Green?" I don't want to harm the environment.

[Marius_Ursus]

Cool. Are they "Green?" I don't want to harm the environment.

Yeah, they're 100% bullshit.

[mslman71]

Yeah, they're 100% bullshit.

Don't you mean they are horseshit?

[Marius_Ursus]

Don't you mean they are horseshit?

The literally green ones are, yeah.

[Thywillbedone]

Lots of good reasons ITT why I would not want to live in the US...

[SP1966]

Lots of good reasons ITT why I would not want to live in the US...

[mslman71]

Lots of good reasons ITT why I would not want to live in the US...

Thanks for sharing.

[Thywillbedone]

Thanks for sharing.

Just sayin'....disproportionate % of lunatics

[Marius_Ursus]

What do you expect after sending all your crazies over here on prison ships?

Duh.

[so-tex]

Lots of good reasons ITT why I would not want to live in the US...

How is that thing y'all call gun control working out? Nevermind, here you go.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...anned-n1464528

[mslman71]

Just sayin'....disproportionate % of lunatics

Based on?

[Thywillbedone]

What do you expect after sending all your crazies over here on prison ships?

Duh.

Not British but anyway. Lots of well made points but it is hard for an outsider to understand the apparently honestly held belief of some Americans that they need to bear arms as there is a risk of (a) foreign invasion, or (b) the government turning against the people. It's just ludicrous! If not, can someone point to risk warning signs?

[mslman71]

Not British but anyway. Lots of well made points but it is hard for an outsider to understand the apparently honestly held belief of some Americans that they need to bear arms as there is a risk of (a) foreign invasion, or (b) the government turning against the people. It's just ludicrous! If not, can someone point to risk warning signs?

General text on history is a reasonable place to start. Your own history, maybe?

Possible? Yes.
Probable? No.
Consequences of an improbable event? High.

I also don't like street cameras.

[Thywillbedone]

I think freedom must be kind of like an orgasm. You have to experience it to really understand how awesome it is.

Dude, freedom is enough money in your pocket to do what you want, when you want and where you want. Unless you have that, you are slave to something, someone or other.

[mslman71]

Dude, freedom is enough money in your pocket to do what you want, when you want and where you want. Unless you have that, you are slave to something, someone or other.

That's not freedom. That's permission. That's not to say a system of currency isn't useful or even necessary, just that I view them as two separate things. Money is only worth as much as everyone agrees it's worth and how well those who are in control manage it. It has no intrinsic value. Back in the late 80s I was in Yugoslavia and they couldn't spend their paychecks fast enough. The currency was inflating so quickly that from week to week (or maybe month to month) they'd simply tag an extra zero on their bills when printed.

[Thywillbedone]

That's not freedom. That's permission. That's not to say a system of currency isn't useful or even necessary, just that I view them as two separate things.

Ok, maybe a fair point. For me the fastest way to be in control of my destiny (freedom?) is to have the currency ($) to enable as many choices as possible i.e. getting out of where I don't want to be when I want. Not that I have achieved that yet!

[Brackneyc]

Ok, maybe a fair point. For me the fastest way to be in control of my destiny (freedom?) is to have the currency ($) to enable as many choices as possible i.e. getting out of where I don't want to be when I want. Not that I have achieved that yet!

You can achieve your stated goal with no money if you really want it.

[so-tex]

Ok, maybe a fair point. For me the fastest way to be in control of my destiny (freedom?) is to have the currency ($) to enable as many choices as possible i.e. getting out of where I don't want to be when I want. Not that I have achieved that yet!

So, are you saying you are not living in freedom?

[Thywillbedone]

So, are you saying you are not living in freedom?

I still have a mortgage and a job working for someone else etc etc...so 'no' I am not living in freedom. Most are not in that sense. Means different things to different people I suppose

[Marius_Ursus]

Not British but anyway. Lots of well made points but it is hard for an outsider to understand the apparently honestly held belief of some Americans that they need to bear arms as there is a risk of (a) foreign invasion, or (b) the government turning against the people. It's just ludicrous! If not, can someone point to risk warning signs?

Well, you sure look British to me.

How ludicrous is it when governments have been oppressive for all of history? It's less likely that the gov't will turn against us. The greater likelihood is the growth into some overbearing behemoth that must then be overturned and replaced with something else.

[SP1966]

An excellent article on how ineffective restrictive gun control is in reducing criminal activities:

A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.

The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

And for our ThyWillBeDone, the following makes me thankful to live in this very flawed country rather then yours!

Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: "In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.

How absurd is it that a man who finds a weapon and attempts to turn it in, attempts to follow the law gets five minutes, much less five years?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ditorialPage_h

[whatevergirl]

I think freedom must be kind of like an orgasm. You have to experience it to really understand how awesome it is.

ha! well said!

@ thywillbedone...freedom isn't a tangible, really. you allude to currency, an abundance of it, perhaps...as potentially bringing you to freedom. freedom is the ability to pursue your own destiny, and you do have that, already, at your disposal.

if you have a mortgage, and you feel somehow enslaved to the bank...that is a choice you made. WITH your freedom, comes choices. the fact that you could make such a choice, IS freedom.

[bicepbomber]

Well, you sure look British to me.

How ludicrous is it when governments have been oppressive for all of history? It's less likely that the gov't will turn against us. The greater likelihood is the growth into some overbearing behemoth that must then be overturned and replaced with something else.

And while most Americans are waiting for that to happen they can get some target practice in on each other.

It seems to me the in the land of choice not enough Americans are choosing not to kill each with handguns.

[Corbi]

And while most Americans are waiting for that to happen they can get some target practice in on each other.

It seems to me the in the land of choice not enough Americans are choosing not to kill each with handguns.

I'll be back with negs for you later.

[Smelly bull]

I'll be back with negs for you later.

I got 'em.