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03-03-2011, 04:40 PM #91
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03-03-2011, 04:41 PM #92
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03-03-2011, 04:43 PM #93
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03-03-2011, 05:01 PM #94
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...33&postcount=4
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...81&postcount=3
"Based upon some more aggressive washout data, TCr content linearly decreases at a rate of about 0.43 - 0.68 mmol/kg dry mass per day (Hultman, McKenna). Also, let's use the conservative 14-28 elevation rate of 0.43 mmol/kg dry mass per day (Hultman).
mmol == moles/1000; Say you're a 90kg male, dry mass assuming less 77% water content. (Bergström, 1962), 0.68 mmol/kg/day * (90*0.33) = 14.08mmol/day = ~1.84g/day."- Pinch
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03-03-2011, 05:38 PM #95
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lol yeah I reread my post and it does sound that way haha. too lazy to go back and change it tho
No, but I got a nice thread about how long creatine stays in your system (with studies of course)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=131256593"Don't ask for a lighter load, ask for a stronger back."
If I buy milk from the grocery store and get it home only to realize that the jug is expiring tomorrow...I sure as hell am not driving to punch a farmer in the face and tip his cow over.
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03-03-2011, 05:38 PM #96
Shyte. Thanks for doing this man.
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03-03-2011, 07:02 PM #97
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Awesome! Nicely done sir Added it at the top of the creatine section.
I'm just trying to bring a lot of great posts by other intelligent people together in one place. They are the ones who deserve lots of praise for actually posting all this great stuff. I'm just a middle manLast edited by shadar; 03-03-2011 at 07:08 PM.
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03-04-2011, 04:36 AM #98
U just got stickied! (no homo)
Great thread man, it's a great resource for people looking to make smart choices about the ingredients they ingest
Can anyone link me to a discussion on why Micellar Casein alone is a bad idea, I've seen this mentioned a couple timeshttp://www.********.com/valenzuelatech
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03-04-2011, 05:11 AM #99
go shadar! you got a sticky bro, you deserve it.
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03-04-2011, 05:34 AM #100
I don't have a link.
From what I understand casein has more of an anti catabolic effect, while whey is more anabolic. So when you are drinking straight casein you are more or less preserving lean mass opposed to buliding it.
IIRC whey also has a greater effect on protein synteisis opposed to casein. So in theory whey + casein would be superior to straight whey or straight casein.Last edited by cjwav34; 03-04-2011 at 05:44 AM.
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03-04-2011, 08:10 AM #101
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03-04-2011, 08:19 AM #102
great thread so far, links still inc once i finish my loast exam today
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03-04-2011, 08:48 AM #103
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Woah, very cool. Didn't think much got stickied these days.
If the first three posts need to be updated in the future, will a mod be able to do that for me? I think the edit ability goes away eventually, right? I'd like to be able to keep the sticky updated at least occasionally.
And I think the idea of casein alone being a bad idea is better stated as being unnecessary, not "bad". If people like casein it won't be bad for them to take it obviously, but it's not a requirement at certain times like some believe (such as pre-bed). This fits generally into AA's nutrient timing rules of:
The First Law of Nutrient Timing is: hitting your daily macronutrient targets is FAR more important than nutrient timing.
The Second Law of Nutrient Timing is: hitting your daily macronutrient targets is FAR more important than nutrient timing.
I do believe this would be more towards Layne's view on it. I know he's not a big casein fan, not that he hates it either though. AA's given a similar description of the two as well, believe it's in one my links actually.
Thanks guys
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03-04-2011, 09:38 AM #104
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03-04-2011, 09:39 AM #105
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Bane's ZMA link is dead. Anyone have a good post/thread on it? Similar to what Synapsin posted above for Creatine?
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03-04-2011, 09:45 AM #106
I think less people will see it if it is stickied, I noticed that I never check the stickies. I think itd be better on the first page, but we will see.
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03-04-2011, 10:09 AM #107
This thread could answer every question ever asked here at BB.com...
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03-04-2011, 11:02 AM #108
I think it comes from a few posts like this one from Des.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...91&postcount=8
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03-04-2011, 12:12 PM #109
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solid sticky choice
"Don't ask for a lighter load, ask for a stronger back."
If I buy milk from the grocery store and get it home only to realize that the jug is expiring tomorrow...I sure as hell am not driving to punch a farmer in the face and tip his cow over.
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03-04-2011, 04:24 PM #110
does the carb source for creatine absorption have to a simple sugar? or any carb + protein source will do as long as it is high?
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03-04-2011, 04:27 PM #111
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^^just fixed to give credit to in10city for the first two sentences. And Syn's post- that's the best explanation of creatine's physiological function I've ever seen. gjdm.
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03-04-2011, 06:14 PM #112
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It will only make a difference before reaching saturation, once at saturation a carb source will make no difference at all. I also don't believe the GI of the carb source matter much, but I'm sure someone can clarify.
Really you don't need to use carbs anytime, it just slightly speeds up the process, but the difference will be very small in terms of lean mass. Not something worth worrying about imo.
I've seen this post before, but not really seen many others comment on it. Any other thoughts on this?
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03-04-2011, 09:15 PM #113
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Congrats on the sticky dude!
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03-04-2011, 09:34 PM #114
thanks shadar, i may be a non responder and i giving creatine a last try. after watching will brink's video about mixing and the absorption of creatine, the last time i did with creatine was mix 3-5g postworkout or just dump it in my mouth and chase it down with water. will brink says undissolved creatine is not absorbed or something like that. and i really wanted to maximize the absorption of creatine to know whether i am really a non responder or not.
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03-04-2011, 09:55 PM #115
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03-05-2011, 05:43 AM #116
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03-05-2011, 01:04 PM #117
From the bodybuilding mythbusters thread:
"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21045172
This study showed that immediate responses to whey and casein ingestion were different... But the end result was the same. They both stimulated protein synthesis equally."
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Pretty much what you were saying; casein is certainly not bad, but has no real benefit for the extra cost.
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03-05-2011, 02:17 PM #118
Just PM me whenever you want to edit the OP
This is pretty interesting along with what you guys have posted.
So generally casein in high doses due to it's coagulation in the gut may be difficult for the body to absorb and for the price, it offers no benefits beyond whey or a blend of whey+casein.http://www.********.com/valenzuelatech
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03-05-2011, 02:21 PM #119
Any threads on the best forms of vitamins & minerals?
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Methylcobalamin>Cyanocobalamin
Mineral Chelates>Oxideshttp://www.********.com/valenzuelatech
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03-05-2011, 03:16 PM #120
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Simplified briefly, just so it's here:
- Relatively insoluble mineral oxides generally pass through the digestive system en masse (unchanged) and are excreted. Mineral oxides, however, are polar and can dissolve in gastric acid. The problem with absorption lies in the complicated and extensive in vivo requirements for efficient absorption.
- Soluble mineral salts, once in the gut, can react with negatively charged ions and become insoluble (then excreted), can be absorbed through ion gated channels (e.g. divalent metal transporter, which transports iron along with other divalent, or 2+ charge, minerals: generally inefficient), or can be chelated by carrier proteins, then absorbed highly efficiently and non competitively.
- Chelated minerals can be absorbed through the same transporters used for dipeptides and tripeptides like hydrolyzed whey; therefore, they are extremely efficient and not competitive for specific mineral chelates over others.
- Real mineral chelates are bound by amino acids, specifically by the nitrogens and oxygens donating electrons to the metal. The chelator must be an amino acid, or the compound will behave like a salt (e.g. "Kreb's cycle chelates"), not offering any of the benefits of a real chelate.
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