lol. Do you even misc? Das not it mang. Lol thats why the Jews have been thriving for the past 3700 years right? Oh wait, they haven't. There goes your 'superior culture' theory. Would agree with a superior contemporary social culture, to say superior culture aka 3000 years + is fkn stupid.
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03-02-2014, 07:42 PM #31
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03-02-2014, 07:48 PM #35
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I'd start with an immediate build up of strategic ballistic missile defense systems in Europe.(as a show of force more than anything) this has been a touchy US/Russia subject
Provide arms, munitions, supplies to the Ukraine for now
Deploy additional Naval assets to the area
Freeze certain assets and visa's
Work on the diplomatic side of coalition of nations that will be supporting them
Move more troops and armament to strategic area's of Europe to show are ability and willingness if needed.
This to begin with, more possibly later
Don't count Obama out yet, he could still come through here.
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03-02-2014, 07:48 PM #36
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03-02-2014, 07:50 PM #37
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03-02-2014, 07:54 PM #38
so muslims have had a state for their entire existence? christians? no, none have. irrelevant retarded point is irrelevant and retarded. though i've come to expect that from the pally cock suckers.
youre obviously too immature to actually have a conversation, mang
and no matter what you say, that IS it, mang.
feel free to have the last word now boy, i'm allowing it.
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03-02-2014, 07:55 PM #39
What is the exact use of a ballistic missile system in this case, they've had those for years.
Provide it to exactly who in Ukraine. Russia will do the same in that case, you want to spark a bloody civil war?
Freeze assets, don't think Putin will care much. Chump change/hidden foreign accounts.
What exactly will strategic troops in Europe do to help Ukraine?
Strong solutions we have here.
And now lets hypothetically assume Putin ignores this and seeks annexation of Crimea, what do?
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03-02-2014, 07:58 PM #40
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03-02-2014, 08:04 PM #41
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It would be a political move more than anything. It is the missile defense systems I'm talking about here. Russia has been pushing for us to reduce and remove them. It has been a hot point since we withdrew from the abm treaty in 2002.
It was also the same topic that Obama got caught on a mic promising more room after the election to the Russians.
Provide it to exactly who in Ukraine. Russia will do the same in that case, you want to spark a bloody civil war?
Freeze assets, don't think Putin will care much. Chump change/hidden foreign accounts.
What exactly will strategic troops in Europe do to help Ukraine?
Strong solutions we have here.
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03-02-2014, 08:08 PM #42
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03-02-2014, 08:09 PM #43
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we could go back and forth all day about what event was really who's fault
This polarization of political sides in the US going into foreign affairs is a weakness of the US. There was a time we once said "politics stop at the waters edge"
Recently the republicans not backing up Obama on his intention to strike Syria probably caused us to be weaker. Had he followed though with that it would have shown as a nation we still are a threat despite our political differences stateside. Much the same of the democrats not fully supporting Bush on foreign events that Obama would have acted the same way on.
anyway, lets be cereal, 911 was pretty much all Clinton's fault.
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03-02-2014, 08:21 PM #44
They've been in place for a long time and Russia has already countered them with Iskandar/S class missile defence system/put some in Kaliningrad. Again, what exactly does a missile defence system do to help Ukraine?
Now many Crimean's will want annexation, providing a bunch of guns doesn't show much support and is yet rather dangerous in such a volatile situation. Whatever you do, Russia will do the same to its own supporters in Ukraine, it achieves nothing.
Political move that achieves nothing. Freezing a bunch of assets will do nothing major to Russia and will hurt the fragile US economy. Russia isn't Saudi Arabia, majority their assets aren't stored in US banks/bonds etc. It is the equivalent of doing nothing.
Russia has no desire or pretext to claim anything else in Europe for now, it wants Ukraine, tell me what soldiers in Poland, Baltics and and Romania will do to help Ukraine if you are not willing to head into a conflict with Russia.
Heres the thing, it has nothing to do with your reputation or defence. You outspend the world on 'defence' (defence in Ukraine lol), you've got more bases abroad/started more wars than i've had breakfasts. It has nothing to do with American weakness, you seem to hold the belief that unless the US is capable to destroy every living being/government on this planet it is 'weak'. The US is just another player, Asia, Russia are reawakening. Its just such a us-centrist view to view any scenario where the US cannot enforce its will as weakness.
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03-02-2014, 08:22 PM #45anonymousGuest
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03-02-2014, 09:02 PM #48
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03-02-2014, 09:10 PM #50
Build up missile defence in Europe. Strengthen NATO. Build US bases in Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states. Trade embargo against Russia will wreck their economy the same way it did to Iran. Freeze Putin and his cronies' assets in Europe. Deny them visa to travel. Generally make it unpleasant and costly to them personally that Crimea is not worth the trouble.
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03-02-2014, 09:13 PM #51
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03-02-2014, 09:14 PM #52
Check the list and see how your islamists liking it in hell and in US prisons.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...r-arrested-911
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03-02-2014, 09:16 PM #55
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03-02-2014, 09:21 PM #56
Putin knows he's checked. For some reason which is beyond contemporary foreign policy you think he has the upper-hand. Obama and his administration is vastly more clever than you perceive, you would likely see Putin stop in his initiatives in the upcoming months. But of course don't lose the chance for some cheap political shots!
Once or twice, or thrice, or quadruple times a year upon I may call upon to dispel the shadow. (ok what's more than quadruple?)
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03-02-2014, 09:32 PM #58
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Wot
Even if Bush would've lost the election, 9/11 would still have occurred. Pre-9/11 security was pretty bad because there was no reason to up security.
Don't tell me another president would have prevented such an attack.
Bush's response to 9/11 reflect on him as a president, not the fact that it happened.
So unless Democrats at the time had an agenda to increase airport security, why the hell are you blaming Bush for 9/11? (Well at least you're not a truther)
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03-02-2014, 09:45 PM #59
i refer you to this comment:
Originally Posted by Tekkendo
it would have been a festival of blaming obama.
it's a hypothetical statement. disagree all you want. i believe there is strong evidence to support it.
but
since 911 happened under bush, the discourse is "well he did a good job of cleaning it up"
obama can do no right
bush can do no wrong
no matter what the facts
that's all i wanted to point out.
i don't expect agreement. i just needed to see it said in this forum.
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03-02-2014, 10:11 PM #60
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