Just know, all of those can happen without going to failure.
One reason... Advanced lifters, who can lift enough weight to tax their CNS, shouldn't be lifting to failure very often on 1 rep max attempts because if they do they risk destroying their CNS to the point that it will limit progress in the long term. As the reps increase, this is less of an issue, but it can still happen if true failure is reached often enough.
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Thread: Is repping to failure good?
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01-09-2013, 02:38 PM #31
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01-09-2013, 02:45 PM #32
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01-09-2013, 02:59 PM #33
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01-09-2013, 03:01 PM #34
Thanks and Im going to research that. Im still learning cns stuff. However my point is failure to do a rep in proper form as soon as you break form you have failed. For example- you are curling, your on your 8th rep. you get the curl completed correctly, beginning your 9th rep you start to turn sideways, lift your foot, bend back whatever it is you do when you break form you have failed. By feeling this is happening just before it happens you stop knowing you have failed will this harm your cns? How else would you challenge yourself to increase in strength and size. How would you know you are challenging yourself without getting to that point?
Not for nothing- but your 345 pounds and your 6' 8" my lifting for failure is your breakfast. Is cns relative to size and lift?Last edited by Jrob69; 01-09-2013 at 03:10 PM.
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01-09-2013, 03:11 PM #35
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01-09-2013, 03:21 PM #36
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01-09-2013, 04:05 PM #42
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01-09-2013, 04:09 PM #43
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01-09-2013, 04:23 PM #44
I respect everyone's way of lifting. Many paths to the same results.
Let me define failure for me. Stopping when you don't have another rep in you. It does not mean crashing the bar under total fatigue. So, if I think I got one more in me I go for it.
For me anyway, not repping to failure is like running an 800 meter run but walking the last lap. I'm not saving anything at the end of the race.http://www.hollandreflexology.com/
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01-09-2013, 04:26 PM #45
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01-09-2013, 04:42 PM #46
I hear what your saying Doug and agree 100%. I cut my teeth on a few of the 5x5 programs (especially Bill Starr) and these programs never go to failure and it is all about progression. i wonder how many people that train to failure are bbers and will hit a body part once a week. I train "movements" like bench, squat, etc., twice a week, thus I cannot train to failure, i will fall apart quickly!
By the way, I saw tour weight loss on another thread. Congrats!400# Bulgarian bicep curl
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01-09-2013, 04:50 PM #47
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Personally I workout the major muscle groups once per week. This allow for maximum rest. You might want to try resting a couple more days...it's possible it takes your body longer to fully recover, no way to know unless you try.
Also, try eating more carbs before your workout, you might have just run out of energy. I have up and down days. I can tell by how heavy the 45's feel if it's going to be a bad day or not!
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01-09-2013, 08:24 PM #48
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01-09-2013, 08:59 PM #49
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01-10-2013, 08:34 AM #52
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There are two types of failures, most people lift to concentric failure ( i.e. you would not be able to press the weight for one more rep without assistance) but then there is also eccentric failure (the negative aspect of it, i.e, a spotter lifts the weight and you control the descend until you can't anymore) which many do not do.
In order to hit true failure a person would have to reach both concentric and eccentric failure.
Note: Most are stronger on eccentric movements than concentric.On the list for Bannukah
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01-10-2013, 08:39 AM #53
^ used to do both on bench. 3 pos, 3 neg, 2 pos 2 neg, 1 pos, 1 neg, repeat singles to failure on both, generally at a comfortable weight like 225.
I have no idea if it was beneficial from a growth perspective but it was fun. I think it helped me with some of the 225 for reps comps we'd have.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
Try SCE to AUX
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01-10-2013, 11:26 AM #54
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01-10-2013, 12:48 PM #55
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This is failure for me:
Normally, I'm either shooting for a set number of reps on my last set or I'm going for AMRAP (as man reps as possible). My last set or two, are my money sets being that everything else is just a warmup/buildup to the goal. Anyway, I've been having great results in regards to strength gains using this approach but I also give a lot of credit to benching twice a week as well. I was squatting and deadlifting twice a week but I'm just getting over a pulled calf muscle so I've been going slow with those for now.
Since getting that 255x10 on 12-5-12, I've steadily been adding 2.5# pounds to that last set each workout and last Sunday I was able to get 282.5 for 10 reps. I'm benching after work today and my goal set will 285 for 10 and I have no idea if I'll be able to pull it off or not but it wont be for a lack of trying. I take similar approach to my deadlifts, squats and other compound exercises.
OP, there's more than one way to skin a cat and I personally feel that the real gains come from consistency. Try to squeeze out an extra rep or add a couple of pounds to bar as you go, it'll add up in the long run.Eat, Sleep, Lift...Repeat!
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01-10-2013, 01:01 PM #56
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01-10-2013, 07:51 PM #59
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Get mad at yourself. A little anger can help you push out more reps. Music pushed me over the edge today on heavy back day, I killed it. 4th and final set I did 4 more reps than the previous set, which was til "failure". I just got ultra-psyched when the tune hit my eardrum, and I exploded.
Download "Back for more" by Five Finger Death Punch and you'll see what I mean. Guaranteed magical elixir.
Another good one: "Under and Over it". I'm not sure which is better.
"Back For More"
Let's get it on!
It's time to get in the game,
You gotta fight 'til it hurts and then you do it again
Let's tear it up!
I'm staying straight to the core, ain't no room for second place, go big or go home!
Rise!
It's dog eat dog
Rise!
Man versus beast
Rise!
The strong will survive
Rise!
I've got no time for the weak
It's time to rise up, man up, get back up, never been and won't be broken
Dust off and then come back for more
You've gotta reach down, dig deep, and break ground,
Show them all you won't be beaten
Brush it off and then come back for more!
Come back for more
It's do or die!
Time to settle the score, gotta give it all you got and then you give it some more
There will be blood
You've gotta fight 'til you break, talk a lot of trash and step up to the plate
Rise!
Refuse to give in
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Ashes to dust
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Make 'em remember your name
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'cause in yourself you can trust
It's time to rise up, man up, get back up, never been and won't be broken
Dust off and then come back for more
You've gotta reach down, dig deep, and break ground,
Show them all you won't be beaten
Brush it off and then come back for more!
Come back for more
Rah!
It's time to rise up, man up, get back up, never been and won't be broken
Dust off and then come back for more
You've gotta reach down, dig deep, and break ground,
Show them all you won't be beaten
Brush it off and then come back for more
Come back for more
Rah!
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01-11-2013, 10:41 AM #60
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