My FB post on guns & civillians...

[Marius_Ursus]

Oh...and yesterday I read about a woman in Phoenix who jumped the sidewalk in ran over a crowd of people killing 12 and injuring 23.

Better stop letting people own cars, too.

[Smelly bull]

There is absolutely no reason any civilian should have access to an automatic weapon, NONE. Why the f'ck would a mom want to purchase the type of guns this woman had? Why, for what? To hunt? What the f'ck was she planning on hunting 1000 ducks? 100 deers, WHAT? Why would any civilian need a gun that can shoot multiple bullets within seconds? If you want a gun to protect your home, get a revolver or a shotgun/rifle why would you need an AK47 or a glock? Who do you think is going to break into your home, the army? Wake the f'ck up people, there is no need for any person to own any kind of automatic weapon, there is absolutely no reason, NONE, any civilian should own a automatic or semi-automatic gun, none. These guns are made to kill period. I do however understand owning a hand gun (revolver) or shotgun/rifle in your home or place of business for protection. F'ck the second amendment/right to bear arms, the people who wrote it (and the ones who protect/believe in it) are f'cking dumb retarded motherf'ckers that should have THEIR children killed with an automatic weapon, maybe see first hand what that kind of gun does to the head of a child.

That is how I feel, you guys can carry on, on why you believe people should have the right and argue till your face turn blue.

Lets see, you love to throw around any man that punches a woman is a pussy. But you advocate the killing of children. I think you have eaten to much lead paint.

[Smelly bull]

Oh...and yesterday I read about a woman in Phoenix who jumped the sidewalk in ran over a crowd of people killing 12 and injuring 23.

Better stop letting people own cars, too.

More people die in car accidents than with guns. Ban cars.

[...Kennedy]

On the other hand if any of the teachers or administrators were packing...

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2nd Amendment needs to stay as is - it's the only thing keeping the US Govt. from going into full-retard tyrant mode on we the people.

[weiss1967]

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2nd Amendment needs to stay as is - it's the only thing keeping the US Govt. from going into full-retard tyrant mode on we the people.

exactly. First thing nazys and commies did was disarming civilians. The second thing was building concentration camps, but only after gun control was in place.

[kh971]

Oh...and yesterday I read about a woman in Phoenix who jumped the sidewalk in ran over a crowd of people killing 12 and injuring 23.

Better stop letting people own cars, too.

Those f*cking cars!!!!

[Do_Somethin]

The reason a semi-auto pistol is good for self defense is under stress your aim is going to be less the perfect. They're also quicker to re-load. Revolvers are antiques, they are of significantly less value from a self defense perspective. As for AK's or M4's they are primarily hobbyist rifles. Having trained with M16's in the Marines it is enjoyable to take one target shooting.

I find it more then just a bit ironic that you of all people with your history of glorifying violence as some sort of manly art would pretend to pass judgement on gun owners, 99.9% of which have never assaulted anyone with or without a weapon. .

I agree and would go a step farther. A full-auto would be safe (as would all guns) if it were properly stored. Maybe having stricter storage laws would be a reasonable solution.

[highiso]

Inb4 bodyhard beats all of you down with his two guns for disagreeing with him.

[TyronK]

I'm pro-Second Amendment but I also cringe when during debates about gun control, the pro right to bear arms side brings up the issue of how more people die from auto accidents than by gun shots. Purpose of a gun is to kill while the purpose of an automobile is transportation.

I also don't think the OP really advocated killing any children. I took it more as "how would the people who support the Second Amendment feel if their kids were killed in cold blood" than outright wishing death on their kids. Maybe in the heat of the moment it came out more harshly than it was meant to be

[thomashenry]

On the other hand if any of the teachers or administrators were packing...

I think Israel has armed Teacher`s ?

[orangegoblin]

Penn and Teller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrNzE39J8E

[so-tex]

An armed country is a safe country. Switzerland is a good example. They have the lowest crime rate in the world, because every citizen is armed.

[BankWalker]

OP, stick to entertaining us with bar and street fight stories. Your knowledge of the 2nd ammendment and guns is lackluster to say the least.

[Brackneyc]

I'm pro-Second Amendment but I also cringe when during debates about gun control, the pro right to bear arms side brings up the issue of how more people die from auto accidents than by gun shots. Purpose of a gun is to kill while the purpose of an automobile is transportation.

I also don't think the OP really advocated killing any children. I took it more as "how would the people who support the Second Amendment feel if their kids were killed in cold blood" than outright wishing death on their kids. Maybe in the heat of the moment it came out more harshly than it was meant to be

This is why we write the post while mad, and edit/submit while calm (er).

[Nikonguy]

Penn and Teller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrNzE39J8E

Everything of importance in that video is said between 11:15 and 12:12.

[MarkS51]

...but because they knew there would be a gun behind every blade of grass.

"...a gun behind every blade of grass."

Yep, so saith no less than Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto- Commander-in-Chief of the Japanese Imperial Navy Combined Fleet and Pearl Harbor attack.

[thomashenry]

"Evil does not exist within a Gun, it exists in the hearts and minds of those who pull the trigger for evil purposes"

[tryintorebuild]

So you propose that if we outlaw guns the outlaws will stop using them. Hmm, maybe we should try that approach with crack and meth

[SP1966]

The other side of these types of stories that rarely get told.

[discdoggie]

the pro right to bear arms side brings up the issue of how more people die from auto accidents than by gun shots. Purpose of a gun is to kill while the purpose of an automobile is transportation.

I do not understand this argument either.

So you propose that if we outlaw guns the outlaws will stop using them. Hmm, maybe we should try that approach with crack and meth

This is something else that has been floating around on FB the last few days, and I don't understand WTF is trying to be said. WTF does that even mean? It makes absolutely no sense.


I am still in too much shock over the tragedy to debate the gun issue over this. It was just yesterday, for chrissakes. And it's BOTH sides that are all over the place, defending their position.

[w8killer]

[Edit] Mark51 posted almost the same thing....funny. I did not see it until I posted my comment.
Obviously I agree....




Yea BH.. You are also confusing semi-auto and "automatic". An AR-15 is a "semi-automatic" rifle. Meaning one pull of the trigger results in one shot. The ammo used is actually poor and more efficient at wounding then killing. Actually one of the reasons it was chosen as a wounded soldier takes another two to tend to him. (or so I have heard behind the reasoning of the military's selection of this ammo).


There are many semi-auto civilian hunting rifles that would do more damage, but dont look nearly as sinister as the AR15.

Heck, if someone were to use a shotgun with buck shot, it probably would be the most devastating in a crowded area.

As despicable as the events were, the fact remains true....people kill people not guns. It is disgusting what happened, but isolated acts of violence have been a part of human nature since our existence. You will never legislate it out by banning certain weapons. The sick and twisted will find a way to extract the damage they desire. Much the same way that making drugs illegal, does little to stop their proliferation.

Contrast that with the idea that if those who desired and were responsible could carry concealed in places that are now currently banned, acts like this might be less common or ended much quicker with a way to defend against a lone gunman.

No hate...just my opinion.

^ This. ^

[paolo59]

OP, stick to entertaining us with bar and street fight stories. Your knowledge of the 2nd ammendment and guns is lackluster to say the least.

LOL BH is a good guy. He speaks 'off the cuff' just a bit. Well, all the freakin' time! He's Puerto Rican! It's not 'racist' to say that, it's just the truth! Feelings close to the skin! LMAO To be radically truthful, there's not that much of "Puerto Rico." Understand what I'm saying. There was quite the discussion on that awhile back when that phrase was couched in Spanish; Entiendes lo que estoy diciendo! BH is as Puerto Rican as I am 'old world English!' BH, you're as American as apple pie and hot dogs! There's nothing wrong with that! We're a crazy bunch, from all over, but we're Americans! I get tired of hearing just where we're from and who we are! We're freakin' Americans! And we think the way we do, right or wrong!

[superman713]

"...a gun behind every blade of grass."

Yep, so saith no less than Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto- Commander-in-Chief of the Japanese Imperial Navy Combined Fleet and Pearl Harbor attack.

You Sir , you are correct! From what I have read, he thought Pearl Harbor was a terrible mistake and it would wake the sleeping beast... He was right. But that's another thread. Thanks for the correct name!

[discdoggie]

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2nd Amendment needs to stay as is - it's the only thing keeping the US Govt. from going into full-retard tyrant mode on we the people.

That's another thing I truly don't understand.


The government has nucear weapons. If they really wanted to go tyrannical, some guys with guns are gonna do exactly what against that?

[SP1966]

That's another thing I truly don't understand.


The government has nucear weapons. If they really wanted to go tyrannical, some guys with guns are gonna do exactly what against that?

Have you not noticed the revolutions taking place in the middle east? It is far more difficult for even a tyrannical government to do what it wills once it is forced to use lethal force on its own people. Once that happens it tends to multiply the number of people who will take a stand, and it is far more difficult to do when those very people are armed, even if those arms are small potatoes in comparison to government weapons.

The bigger issue, and one that most fail to ask is why do our politicians focus on the tool of violence rather then the cause? Most of the countries with far higher firearm murder rates then the US (which is around 3 per 100,000) also have far fewer weapons per capita then the US. Conversely a country like Switzerland where all citizens are armed is lower (.5 per 100,000). The issue has nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with our society. The real issue is lack of economic opportunity, lousy educational system, and single parent homes where boys are being raised without a strong male role model in the home to enforce right and wrong. These kids grow up stupid, they grow up where their role models present themselves as gangster and that supposed to be cool. Its not just inner city, kids in the 'burbs are no better off anymore. Not all fall into that category, from the sounds of things yesterdays killer did not, but sick people will always exist and bad things will never be able to be completely prevented.

Take away the guns and you will simply force them to adapt, and they will, they will find a way to lash out and only a fool would believe otherwise.

If your real concern is stopping events like happened yesterday then guns would not be very high on your list of what needs to be fixed.

[Corbi]

There was quite the discussion on that awhile back when that phrase was couched in Spanish; Entiendes lo que estoy diciendo! BH is as Puerto Rican as I am 'old world English!' BH, you're as American as apple pie and hot dogs! There's nothing wrong with that! We're a crazy bunch, from all over, but we're Americans! I get tired of hearing just where we're from and who we are! We're freakin' Americans! And we think the way we do, right or wrong!

Truth reps..except i'm out. I once asked a couple of black co-workers why they always had to use the term african-americans? I asked them you ever been to africa? Your parents ever been to africa? Hell do you even know which country in africa your ancestors came from? And their answer in all cases was no excpet for one of them claimed his ancestors came from Nigeria. I told then the same thing you mentioned, you are American end of story. I don't go around using the term Italian American to describe my heritage, it's plain ole American.

[Corbi]

Have you not noticed the revolutions taking place in the middle east? It is far more difficult for even a tyrannical government to do what it wills once it is forced to use lethal force on its own people. Once that happens it tends to multiply the number of people who will take a stand, and it is far more difficult to do when those very people are armed, even if those arms are small potatoes in comparison to government weapons.

The bigger issue, and one that most fail to ask is why do our politicians focus on the tool of violence rather then the cause? Most of the countries with far higher firearm murder rates then the US (which is around 3 per 100,000) also have far fewer weapons per capita then the US. Conversely a country like Switzerland where all citizens are armed is lower (.5 per 100,000). The issue has nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with our society. The real issue is lack of economic opportunity, lousy educational system, and single parent homes where boys are being raised without a strong male role model in the home to enforce right and wrong. These kids grow up stupid, they grow up where their role models present themselves as gangster and that supposed to be cool. Its not just inner city, kids in the 'burbs are no better off anymore. Not all fall into that category, from the sounds of things yesterdays killer did not, but sick people will always exist and bad things will never be able to be completely prevented.

Take away the guns and you will simply force them to adapt, and they will, they will find a way to lash out and only a fool would believe otherwise.

If your real concern is stopping events like happened yesterday then guns would not be very high on your list of what needs to be fixed.

Curently the USA is #28 in the world for murders via guns per capita and as you mentioned it's just below 3, something like 2.67 I believe and yet we also have the highest amount of gun ownership in the world, yes even higher than switzerland which only requires 1 gun per household. Most of the people here who own guns have multiples. All sorts of great unbiased info on this site http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a.../homicide.html

[paolo59]

Truth reps..except i'm out. I once asked a couple of black co-workers why they always had to use the term african-americans? I asked them you ever been to africa? Your parents ever been to africa? Hell do you even know which country in africa your ancestors came from? And their answer in all cases was no excpet for one of them claimed his ancestors came from Nigeria. I told then the same thing you mentioned, you are American end of story. I don't go around using the term Italian American to describe my heritage, it's plain ole American.

Brother, 'plain ole' American' is as good as it gets! From wherever the hell we may have come from, however long ago!

[Frnkd]

Most people take the right to bare arms responsibly, cant deny that, its when the responsibility is blamed on the right when an act with a gun occurs. What has been overlooked is that the shooter had aspergers syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder. The main symptom being poor social judgement, impulse control, and obsessiveness. For example, when the police went to his home, his room was not of a typical 20 something, completely ordered, everything in its place, etc.

The shooter in many of these horrific killings have had some sort of chronic mental health issue. That is mostly over looked when a gun is the weapon of choice. So my concern is how do you filter out the opportunity for people with severe mental health issues ( how else would any person do such an act unless this is the reason), have access to guns, bombs, or similar weapons.

Maybe some thought on this could be discussed.

[RedXray]

F'ck the second amendment/right to bear arms, the people who wrote it (and the ones who protect/believe in it) are f'cking dumb retarded motherf'ckers that should have THEIR children killed with an automatic weapon

No fuk you dip ****. I believe in the 2nd amendment rights as an American and I will fight to the death to uphold them! You stay away from our children. What the fuk is wrong with your thinking man? Bellevue... check yourself in SOON!

God damit the OP lives in a "May Issue" state and knows very little to nothing about the right to bear arms or our rights to carry. He like many NY'rs are programed by the anti gun Bloomburg liberal machine. What gets me is all the rage posts "I'll beat that MF'er to death... cut me off in traffic". I think OP's fists and attitude are extremely volatile. This is the reason most law abiding citizens arm themselves. Keep the attitude and violent behavior in your (red) neck of the woods, it wouldn't play well in my "Shall Issue" state.