New Hemavol, prop blend?

[beameupscotty]

So I was perusing my local supplement store and came across some Hemavol. There were two flavors, fruit punch and watermelon, so I picked up the watermelon. To my surprise, the ingredients on the back were in a proprietary blend. I checked out the fruit punch, non prop ingredient list. The watermelon looked "newer" as far as minor label changes. Has Hemavol, a supplement staple, moved to the darkside and jumped on the prop blend bandwagon? Anyone else seen this?

[AMeyer9]

1rd

[Lionology]

In.

[beameupscotty]

If anyone's interested I'll take a pic of it tomorrow. It's 7pm here now, and they close at 7.

[TheGilmore]

My heart is breaking.

[Synapsin]

I will be very disappointed if that is the case.

[quank]

[AMeyer9]

In for answers

[RVAPump]

hi Marc

[beameupscotty]

Ok, I think it's against the rules to post links to other companies, so, check out Vit5min Sh7ppe and look at any hemavol product that says "new" next to it. That's what I saw in their store. Prop blend. Similar dosages, but of what now? Who knows.

[AMeyer9]

HEMODYNAMIX MATRIX 4.12 Gm
(CITRULLINE MALATE, GLYCEROL MONOSTEARATE, AGMATINE SULFATE, NORVALINE)

[beameupscotty]

What happened to the individual dosing? Plus, the vasodialation support matrix used to be 150 mg, now it's 100 mg. Hmmm.

[RedSox1990]

Quite sure I ordered a few tubs like 3-4 months ago from here and they didnt list the dosages for the ingredients. I remember I wanted to know how much CM it had (since I was adding some additional CM) and had to go on bb.com to check.

[AMeyer9]

What happened to the individual dosing? Plus, the vasodialation support matrix used to be 150 mg, now it's 100 mg. Hmmm.

That part is interdasting, but the hemo matrix adds up

[MuscleUpCrohns]

That part is interdasting, but the hemo matrix adds up

It all still adds up, it just looks like they took the Vitamin C from the support maxtrix and put it by itself on the label; it lists 50mg of vitamin C, and there's 50mg and vitamin c missing from the support matrix. Still, I can't help but wonder... Why?

[VicMackey92]

bump

[XShreddedX]

hemavol is a staple for me so definitely in on this

[allanhouston90]

It's the same great stuff, but my guess is because of it being the best and really only powder pump product in its category worth taking for a long time they just showed the whole label, but now that the market is becoming flooded with pump powders they just decided to label it proprietary for people just comparing labels. A lot of people know to look for the words agmatine, citrulline, and gms but not the proper dosages.

[raiders4life84]

That part is interdasting, but the hemo matrix adds up

I remember them addressing this change before. Also, my MaxOut tub is in a prop blend, but there is another section on the label where each ingredient in each blend is disclosed. I'd assume that is what it is like on the newer Hemavol tubs, but I don't have one in front of me.

[xcolemanx]

considering hemavol is one of the most imitated products right now due to the pump product craze, I could understand why they would move to a prop blend. If the dosages are the same, who cares. There isn't a "dark side" if the company is reputable like iForce is.

[Gwyndane]

considering hemavol is one of the most imitated products right now due to the pump product craze, I could understand why they would move to a prop blend. If the dosages are the same, who cares. There isn't a "dark side" if the company is reputable like iForce is.

well the formula is already out, so even with a prop blend, anyone can access the dosages and imitate...
its prolly what Bolt said, the fomula is the same, its only the label that changed

[VaughnTrue]

nothing has changed. Our label attorneys made us change numerous labels that had a matrix listed, and also the active dose. We'd prefer it to be the way it was listed, but HQ decided we had to have the matrices named for marketing purposes.

[SuperYou]

great product that just took a step backwards, doesn't seem logical to change a good thing.

[AlecGaspari]

nothing has changed. Our label attorneys made us change numerous labels that had a matrix listed, and also the active dose. We'd prefer it to be the way it was listed, but HQ decided we had to have the matrices named for marketing purposes.

I love hemavol, it's a staple for me and I often tell people what a great product it is

that being said, your lawyers made you change to prop blend? The marketing part of what you said makes complete sense

[solidsnake4230]

nothing has changed. Our label attorneys made us change numerous labels that had a matrix listed, and also the active dose. We'd prefer it to be the way it was listed, but HQ decided we had to have the matrices named for marketing purposes.

Understandable everyone is getting in on the stim free pump product, gotta do what you gotta to do to stay on top.

[Big_Spaz]

great product that just took a step backwards, doesn't seem logical to change a good thing.

Took a step back? Vaughn just said nothing has changed. How is the wording on the label affecting (negatively) what is going into your body? It's not, still the exact same great product you have always been using.





-Spaz

[Big.Jazayrli]

you make a post like this with no photo?

Son..

[beameupscotty]

you make a post like this with no photo?

Son..

As mentioned above, check out another site that is listed and look at "new" hemavol. I am going to post a picture today if people want one. I have to go back to the store.

[bearsfan91]

I work at Vitamin Shoppe and can confirm the switch to a prop blend

Looks like "hemodynamics matrix"

4.1 grams in the blend which has citrulline Malate, glycerol monostearate, agmatine sulfate and norvalline

Then they have "nitrix oxide vasodilation support matrix"

100mg in that blend of L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, rutacaerpine and epimedium (leaves) (20%)

[bearsfan91]

[QUOTE=Big_Spaz;1293128861]Took a step back? Vaughn just said nothing has changed. How is the wording on the label affecting (negatively) what is going into your body? It's not, still the exact same great product you have always been using.


Well you as a rep should know that customers are sick of the "prop blend" I always steer my customers away from products that have a blend

Why would your company go from not having a blend, to a blend? If it's the "same product" as you say then the ingredients label should have been left the same.

Here in my store (vitamin shoppe) sales for hemavol have already dropped since making the switch about 2 months ago.