Black Betas vs. IntraXcell

[Dr. Pepper]

i was gonna run Intraxcell with a creatine product but some logger told me black betas was good

which is better

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eball/black.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/intra.html

[xenowang]

Just get bulk beta-alanine...

[TT22]

IntraXcel all the way. Black Beta's are way underdosed!

Jdub

[NoNameNecessary]

Between the two, I'd vote IntraXCell.

However, bulk BA is a great option.

[Dr. Pepper]

well i just want caps so w.e

[cobain67]

IntraXCell is my choice... First off, with IntraXCell you are receiving multiple compounds of which work in synergy and also a labeled product with guranteed potency and efficiecy. Too many people mistake IXL for nothing more than BA, but that is far from the truth... In fact, each and EVERY ingredient in IXL was thoroughly thought out and serves its own important purpose for health/performance enhancement.

For optimal results I recommed you stack IntraXCell with a solid creatine product (I personally like and recommend SteelEdge or DS's XCEED as a solid pre workout creatine/energizer).

[TinyMan]

It's interesting, I was pointed to looking at Black Betas earlier today. Gram for gram of beta-alanine, it is actually just barely cheaper than IntraXCell is (a negligible amount, really). Dosing Black Betas just squeaks out IXL for B-A, but that neglects other ingredients (there is a split there between them. IXL claims synergy of other products, Black Betas claims the phosphate to be the effective way).

144g Black Betas - $35.78. Per gram: $0.2484
120g IntraXCell - $29.99. Per gram: $0.25

Just thought that was interesting. And credit where credit is due, it was MAXX (everyone's favorite character!) who pointed it out to me. You're really looking at two products that are basically equally priced for beta-alanine, it's more a choice of what do you want:

IXL:
201mg N-acetyl-cysteine, ALA
150IU Vit. E

BB:
Phosphorus: 250mg
Sodium: 145mg
Potassium: 60mg

Thought that was kind of interesting, as I think some haven't fully considered the situation (reading some of the posts). I actually think I'd probably choose Black Betas over IXL, if I were forced to use one of them (although given the choice, I choose neither).

And of course, I still recommend bulk beta-alanine over both . Don't I always? Cost-effective, tasteless, and dissolves very easily. Pretty hard to beat, IMO.

[TT22]

IXL: 2gs per serving: 60 servings

BB: .8gs per serving: 90 servings

IXL: 120gs

BB: 72gs

EDIT:

I sea what you did there TinyMan! You put two bottles of BB!

Anyways, i would rather take IXL as i believe there is more of a senergy of ingredients and less pills to take every day!


Jdub

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

It's interesting, I was pointed to looking at Black Betas earlier today. Gram for gram of beta-alanine, it is actually just barely cheaper than IntraXCell is (a negligible amount, really). Dosing Black Betas just squeaks out IXL for B-A, but that neglects other ingredients (there is a split there between them. IXL claims synergy of other products, Black Betas claims the phosphate to be the effective way).

144g Black Betas - $35.78. Per gram: $0.2484
120g IntraXCell - $29.99. Per gram: $0.25

Just thought that was interesting. And credit where credit is due, it was MAXX (everyone's favorite character!) who pointed it out to me. You're really looking at two products that are basically equally priced for beta-alanine, it's more a choice of what do you want:

IXL:
201mg N-acetyl-cysteine, ALA
150IU Vit. E

BB:
Phosphorus: 250mg
Sodium: 145mg
Potassium: 60mg

Thought that was kind of interesting, as I think some haven't fully considered the situation (reading some of the posts). I actually think I'd probably choose Black Betas over IXL, if I were forced to use one of them (although given the choice, I choose neither).

And of course, I still recommend bulk beta-alanine over both . Don't I always? Cost-effective, tasteless, and dissolves very easily. Pretty hard to beat, IMO.

It takes more than 15 caps of Black beta to equal the Beta-Alanine content of 6 caps of IntraXCell, plus IntraXCell has NAC, ALA and E.

Lets say we ignore these other more expensive ingredients in IntraXCell than the phosphates in BB and just look at the Beta-Alanine content of both products.

What is your rationale for choosing BB over IXL?

[dan7681]

I'd personally go with bulk BA. Between the two products mentioned I don't think they'll be any big difference either way. I think TinyMan's post pretty much summed it all up.

[smh31]

Electrolytes promote endurance and phosphates buffer lactic acid. NAC and ALA are just cheap anti-oxidants.

[DefensorFortis]

Is no one thinking about dosing?

IXL beats BB hands down!

BB need 4 serv/day to = 3.2g BA (minimum recommended daily dosage)

IXL need 2 serv/day to = 4g BA


(2 bottles)BB 144g for $35.78
IXL 120g BA for $29.99

[smh31]

Is no one thinking about dosing?

IXL beats BB hands down!

BB need 4 serv/day to = 3.2g BA (minimum recommended daily dosage)

IXL need 2 serv/day to = 4g BA


(2 bottles)BB 144g for $35.78
IXL 120g BA for $29.99

yes but BB lasts longer

[DefensorFortis]

Electrolytes promote endurance and phosphates buffer lactic acid. NAC and ALA are just cheap anti-oxidants.

Last I checked electrolytes were more easily obtained from a proper diet than NAC and ALA.

[smh31]

Last I checked electrolytes were more easily obtained from a proper diet than NAC and ALA.

the idea is the high dosing of phosphate.. 1250mg
the idea behind eas phos****en series was using phosphates with beta-alanine to greatly decrease lactic acid

[Dr. Pepper]

so what is better comon guys

[GeneGnomeX]

Electrolytes promote endurance and phosphates buffer lactic acid. NAC and ALA are just cheap anti-oxidants.

Electrolytes don't "promote" endurance, they may be depleted during long intense exercise, though I really doubt any are necessary for weight lifting. NAC and ALA are far from just cheap anti-oxidants.

[smh31]

Electrolytes don't "promote" endurance, they may be depleted during long intense exercise, though I really doubt any are necessary for weight lifting. NAC and ALA are far from just cheap anti-oxidants.

they are nothing special and are fairly low dosed in this product
the advantage of phosphate could be much greater for actually reducing lactic acid then nac and ala, and the price is the same

[TinyMan]

It takes more than 15 caps of Black beta to equal the Beta-Alanine content of 6 caps of IntraXCell, plus IntraXCell has NAC, ALA and E.

Your math is correct, it indeed would take that much. However, I argue it's not how important how many caps it will take to achieve the results; it is the price per gram of the ingredient you want to achieve. If there is more than one ingredient that you want to acquire, it becomes a bit more complex (say, if you want beta-alanine and phosphates, or beta-alanine and R-ALA - as in this case).

IXL has 201mg of NAC and ALA combined, and 150IU of E. On the other hand, BB contains 250mg phosphorus, 145mg sodium, 60mg potassium - it's not a one-way street here. You gain one, you sacrifice the other. The question now becomes 'which one do you want?'

Lets say we ignore these other more expensive ingredients in IntraXCell than the phosphates in BB and just look at the Beta-Alanine content of both products.

What is your rationale for choosing BB over IXL?

Well, if you remove everything but the beta-alanine of each product, then in my view you now have two equal products really. Each product costs approximately $0.25 per gram of beta-alanine; the only distinction becomes the number of capsules (since we are removing ingredients, the number of caps is subject to change. IXL removed 201mg & Vit E. [whatever 150IU works out to be for this product], BB removed about 450mg per serving). For simplicity, I disregard the capsule number, as the amount of each product has now changed disproportionately under your theoretical situation; both are now holding pure beta-alanine.

So now, isn't it just a case of which cap holding beta-alanine I choose? The only thing left is whether or not I want to favor one company over another (brand recognition). Lets assume the absolute rational consumer: I don't play favorites. I no longer have any reason to assume one is a superior source to the other, nor do I support one company over the other.

Instead of removing the extras of each product and considering the beta-alanine (which is practically equal for each one, per gram), wouldn't it make a lot more sense to remove the beta-alanine, and compare the extras? I don't really see what you were trying to prove. If we're only considering part of the product, I don't think the caps per serving size is really adequate, as we've disproportionately changed how much was removed from each product (as stated above). Answer your question satisfactorily, I hope?

[tjthetank]

some one got owned, i dont no who yet, but some one

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Your math is correct, it indeed would take that much. However, I argue it's not how important how many caps it will take to achieve the results; it is the price per gram of the ingredient you want to achieve. If there is more than one ingredient that you want to acquire, it becomes a bit more complex (say, if you want beta-alanine and phosphates, or beta-alanine and R-ALA - as in this case).

IXL has 201mg of NAC and ALA combined, and 150IU of E. On the other hand, BB contains 250mg phosphorus, 145mg sodium, 60mg potassium - it's not a one-way street here. You gain one, you sacrifice the other. The question now becomes 'which one do you want?'



Well, if you remove everything but the beta-alanine of each product, then in my view you now have two equal products really. Each product costs approximately $0.25 per gram of beta-alanine; the only distinction becomes the number of capsules (since we are removing ingredients, the number of caps is subject to change. IXL removed 201mg & Vit E. [whatever 150IU works out to be for this product], BB removed about 450mg per serving). For simplicity, I disregard the capsule number, as the amount of each product has now changed disproportionately under your theoretical situation; both are now holding pure beta-alanine.

So now, isn't it just a case of which cap holding beta-alanine I choose? The only thing left is whether or not I want to favor one company over another (brand recognition). Lets assume the absolute rational consumer: I don't play favorites. I no longer have any reason to assume one is a superior source to the other, nor do I support one company over the other.

Instead of removing the extras of each product and considering the beta-alanine (which is practically equal for each one, per gram), wouldn't it make a lot more sense to remove the beta-alanine, and compare the extras? I don't really see what you were trying to prove. If we're only considering part of the product, I don't think the caps per serving size is really adequate, as we've disproportionately changed how much was removed from each product (as stated above). Answer your question satisfactorily, I hope?

To be fair to both products, lets compare them to equal the same amount of Beta-Alanine per day:

IXL recommended dose is 2 servings a day, giving you 4 grams of Beta-Alanine,402mg of NAC/ALA and 30IU E.

BB- recommends 3 servings a day giving you 2.4 grams of Beta-Alanine,750mg of phosphorus, 435mg sodium,180 potassium.

Now, I think the readers know, the primary reason people are taking either of these products is for the Beta-Alanine, so in fairness to BB, lets increase the dosage to match the amount of Beta-Alanine in IntraXCell.

As you agreed with me it takes 15 capsules of BB to equal 6 capsules of IntraXCell to get the equivalent amount of Beta-Alanine. So lets look at the phosphorus content as that's really the only thing in BB worth mentioning besides the BA. If we were to take the recommended amount of BB at three servings a day, we would get an inadequate amount of Beta-Alanine at 2.4 and a VERY inadequate amount of phosphorus at 750mg.

Again, I will try and help BB match up more favorably to IntraXCell by stating to take 15 capsules of BB, or 5 serving a day. This will give you 1,250mg of phosphorus.

I am not sure if you are aware of the studies on phosphorus, but besides them being somewhat equivocal, they are using dosages at 3.5-4 grams a day and much higher to show some AEROBIC enhancement. The main ANAEROBIC study by Kramer that used phosfuel which btw has 3.5-4 grams of sodium phosphate, showed it provided no benefit over the placebo group. The other guy above you who posted saying "high dosing of phosphate..1250mg" may not be aware that the Duffy study that he is thinking of used a total of 3.73 grams of sodium acid phosphate and pot phosphate a day, NOT 1.24g. ONLY the ACUTE dose prior to training was 1.24g, but the subject still took the total 3.73g a day for 6 days, as FAR cry from the amount in BB.

For guys, that are trying to effect strength, power, lean muscle ect, I have yet to see any studies showing favorable outcomes from Phosphate loading.For endurance aerobic athletes, I have seen some positive as well as some negative. Overall phosphate loading is old school.

Regardless, there is nothing wrong with phosphates and if you want them, they are dirt cheap to buy separately and you could properly dose them as well. I don't know too many people who would chose phosphates over three great antioxidants in NAC, ALA and E, but to each his own.


On a side note, when you look at the performance studies using an extracellular buffer like phosphate compared to an intracellular buffer like Beta-Alanine-Carnosine, you can really tell where the increased buffering capacity makes a difference.

Lastly, there was no right or wrong answer to my question and I appreciate you taking the time to write your response. I just was interested to hear why you or anyone would chose to take 14 capsules of one product(BB) when you could just take 6(IXL)of the other, plus get more value with the NAC/ALA and E.


Oh and look at the pricing of the three combo pack of IntraXCell.

[Dr. Pepper]

Oh and look at the pricing of the three combo pack of IntraXCell.

beta alanine is only $15 f or 300g i might get that thats like $5 per bottle of intraxcell lol

[SPACECLOWN]

Let me throw a spin on it for ya
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ms/rag.html

It was added to the store today.

[hvit]

I'd recommend Giant ProCarnosine, MAN Body Octane, and though I haven't tried it yet, the formula for MS Ragnarok looks incredible.

[Millennium 1]

We are releasing Carnage in the next two weeks that is 240 caps @750mg beta alanine each and will retail here for about 13 to 14 cents per gram ($23.99 to $24.99 per bottle 180 grams total.). Certainly a cheaper way to go for capped beta alanine. Plus is has an isotonic delivery system added. Just a heads up.

[DinoT1985]

We are releasing Carnage in the next two weeks that is 240 caps @750mg beta alanine each and will retail here for about 13 to 14 cents per gram ($23.99 to $24.99 per bottle 180 grams total.). Certainly a cheaper way to go for capped beta alanine. Plus is has an isotonic delivery system added. Just a heads up.

Damn, MS are really bringing out good stuff but thats expected.

[Dr. Pepper]

wats isotonic delivery

[DinoT1985]

wats isotonic delivery

Isotonic is used to describe a solution that has the same fluid pressure as body fluids. Foods that enter the small intestine are absorbed and made isotonic in the stomach prior. Faster absorbtion.

[Dr. Pepper]

wouldnt that mean u get tingles faster

[DinoT1985]

wouldnt that mean u get tingles faster

I think so, but its benefit overules that.