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    Originally Posted by RoroCwalker View Post
    You're right, he didn't have a smaller waist, my bad but at least he actually had a V tapper, Phil had a mushroom tapper.

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    Nice 2011 pictures.
    Yet the subject of discussion is 2012.


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    Lettuce be cereal, Kai's traps lack alot. But he can't do much more, his traps insertions are not good. Im going with Phil on the RLS, little better than Kai, but Kai's BDB >>> Phil's.
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    Originally Posted by riflemancho View Post
    lettuce be cereal, kai's traps lack alot. But he can't do much more, his traps insertions are not good. Im going with phil on the rls, little better than kai, but kai's bdb >>> phil's.
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    Originally Posted by jahaa View Post
    Yeah but its the same for all on stage. You really think that olympia pictures are more fair to compare them?)
    Yes. Because the lighting isn't poop. Oh and it is The Mr.Olympia contest. Where they judge you know, The Mr.Olympia.
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    Originally Posted by jahaa View Post
    . Ive seen both Phil and Kai in person aswell, something you never have i assume and Phil's frame is not that big from my impression hes the same size as dexter just a taller version. (taller=also heavier but filled out just as dex, not saying phil is 225)

    What does this have to do with who wins Mr.Olympia?
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    Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy View Post
    What does this have to do with who wins Mr.Olympia?
    Because your opinon on the olympia judging is based on crappy pictures that make Phil look bigger then Kai because he was standing closer to the camera. Which in reality is not true.
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    Originally Posted by jahaa View Post
    Because your opinon on the olympia judging is based on crappy pictures that make Phil look bigger then Kai because he was standing closer to the camera. Which in reality is not true.
    If Phil Heath looked better on the MR OLYMPIA stage, then he easily should've won on the MR OLYMPIA stage. You don't judge based on appearances outside of the contest.
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    Originally Posted by Tb0282 View Post
    Kai did not have a smaller waist. And he lacked back thickness and traps, his delts didn't pop, he wasn't in complete balance.
    The fact that you think kai lacks back thickness shows just how moronic you are.

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    That's why I fear Kai will never get a sandow...Phil came in looking worse (a lot) than 2011 ,where he actually deserved the Olympia, and Kai came in looking at his very best...yet apparently for the judges it was a ''hard decision''? It was not a close competition, at all.
    There's too much bullsht involved between the judges/supp/athletes and they're going to keep shtting on Kai until he retires.
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    Originally Posted by EllDivo View Post
    The fact that you think kai lacks back thickness shows just how moronic you are.
    Compared to Phil he lacked back thickness. That is evident in the picture Iceman posted on page 2.

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    Kai has the edge in the BDB, but Phil clearly beats Kai in the RLS. Kai's traps are too small and when he fully hits the RLS, his middle back is too smooth with very little separation. Every muscle in Phil's back "Pops Out" at you when he hits the RLS. Phil's delts are rounder in the RLS and his arms are just better in the RLS.

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    Originally Posted by EllDivo View Post
    I disagree I think phil was very comparable to his 2011 showing.
    I really don't want to be mean but if you don't see that 2012 is worse than 2011....you're an idiot.







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    Originally Posted by Tb0282 View Post
    If Phil Heath looked better on the MR OLYMPIA stage, then he easily should've won on the MR OLYMPIA stage. You don't judge based on appearances outside of the contest.
    What are you talking about? i never said anything that disagree's with that. Im talking about pictures not giving a fair view. Especially the olympia pictures because Phil was standing over the line.
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    Originally Posted by Larfleeze View Post
    Seriously, what the hell happened to his neck?
    Too full and posing differently.
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    Originally Posted by jahaa View Post
    Because your opinon on the olympia judging is based on crappy pictures that make Phil look bigger then Kai because he was standing closer to the camera. Which in reality is not true.
    And your opinion on the Olympia judging is based on crud lighting pictures from a show after the Olympia. I'm baffled that you can't see your own obliviousness and bias.
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    What are you talking about? i never said anything that disagree's with that. Im talking about pictures not giving a fair view. Especially the olympia pictures because Phil was standing over the line.

    Yes, because pics with horrible lighting from a different show gives a fair view. If it favours your guy it does anyways.
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    Yes, because pics with horrible lighting from a different show gives a fair view. If it favours your guy it does anyways.

    I never said they gave a real life impression, pictures will never come close to that. I just said they gave a MORE fair view. and overall i think pictures taken further away give better perspective. Anyway i think this is pointless to argue about since you take everything i say out of proportion, and but words in my mouth. And using the placings as a argument is just really stupid.
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    Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy View Post
    Yes, because pics with horrible lighting from a different show gives a fair view. If it favours your guy it does anyways.



    These 2 pictures kinda shows what im talking about, Are you saying that Phil lose 25lbs of muscle in the sheru lightning and Kai doesn't? No its because they are standing on the same distant from the camera in sheru pictures, but not in the olympia picture.
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    You are saying pics from the actual show aren't valid because someone is standing somewhere different. But you are saying pics from a different show with turd burglar lighting are valid to judge the prior show. Regardless of who between them is better, do you see what I am getting at? Or does your bias blind you?
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    Originally Posted by RoroCwalker View Post
    I really don't want to be mean but if you don't see that 2012 is worse than 2011....you're an idiot.
    Phil still looked good. I think this dude is incapable of coming in off. But yeah...spillage...

    To give him his due he looked much better at the night show.
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    If Kai hadn't of flattened out at the night show he may have won.
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    If Kai hadn't of flattened out at the night show he may have won.
    all the judges had him 2nd in prejudging...
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    Originally Posted by Tb0282 View Post
    Compared to Phil he lacked back thickness. That is evident in the picture Iceman posted on page 2.
    I think your confusing thickness with detail.

    Kai has more thickness in the RLS, Phil has more detail.

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    What are you looking at there Rocky? His lower lats?
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    Originally Posted by Rocky-Balboa View Post
    I think your confusing thickness with detail.

    Kai has more thickness in the RLS, Phil has more detail.
    you can tell it's also due to differences in the way they are both hitting the pose. Phil rounds his shoulders forward and slightly down to emphasize his trap development whereas Kai flares out his lats for maximum width and leans slightly back the text book way
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    Originally Posted by FAN0FdaSport View Post
    all the judges had him 2nd in prejudging...
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