**The Anabolic/Androgenic Dosages & Effects of Formestane**

[TheSupremeBeing]

**The Anabolic/Androgenic Dosages & Effects of Formestane**

After receiving numerous PM's about Formestane and proper dosing protocol, I was compelled to create this thread, in which I will outline the proper and effective use of Formestane products.

Formestane(4-Hyroxyandrostenedione) is a steroial aromatase inhibitor and a prohormone to the anabolic steroid 4-Hydroxytestosterone. It is not only effective for estrogen reduction, it is also a mild anabolic steroid. It was first patented by G.D. Searle & Co. in 1955, but it never hit the commercial market. Structurally, 4-Hydroxytestosterone is simply testosterone with a hydroxy group at the four position, making it most similar to the steroid clostebol, which has a chloro group at the four position. Formestane and Clostebol(and Halodrol/Promagnon) are very similar in effect.

4-Hydroxytestosterone is .65 times as anabolic and .25 times as androgenic as testosterone propionate. The reason that Formestane has such low androgenic activity is that the modification at the 4th position prevents DHT conversion. In vitro, 4-Hydroxytestosterone is actually a weak inhibitor of 5-alpha reductase.


Oral Formestane

Estrogen Reduction: 200-500mg
Anabolic/Androgenic effects: 500-1,000mg(*or higher)


Transdermal Formestane

Estrogen Reduction: 100-200mg
Anabolic/Androgenic effects: 300-500mg(*or higher)



Formestane can be used for the following:

-As a stand-alone PROHORMONE in higher dosages.
-While on cycle to reduce estrogen levels while increasing gains.
-As a Testosterone Booster.


*I would not suggest using Formestane during PCT, at this point there is not enough data available to conclude whether or not it will inhibit HPTA recovery.


-Ross Erstling
Owner & CEO of Supreme Sports Enhancements(http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/su...remesports.htm)

[joakman]

What happened to the other thread

[TheSupremeBeing]

What happened to the other thread

I couldn't change the title so I made a new one.

[joakman]

I couldn't change the title so I made a new one.

Gotcha

[put5onyo]

In before....






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I'm just in. This is a Ross thread, no telling where it will go.

[TheSupremeBeing]

In before....






Well....








I'm just in. This is a Ross thread, no telling where it will go.

Glad to have you aboard.

[put5onyo]

Glad to have you aboard.

When you releasing a formestane product?

[TheSupremeBeing]

When you releasing a formestane product?

LOL, I knew that was coming. I have no current plans of releasing a Formestane product(I announced our entire new prohormone line last month), but anything remains possible. There is indeed a large demand for it..

[joakman]

What would you suggest for a Formestane only cycle?

[TheSupremeBeing]

What would you suggest for a Formestane only cycle?

I would suggest using 200-400mg of transdermal Formestane for 8-10 weeks. You can expect significant gains in lean muscle mass and strength, as well as an extreme increase in muscle hardness and definition. Overall, it is very comparable to Halodrol.

[RuckstaR]

in for inevitable drama

[joakman]

I would suggest using 200-400mg of transdermal Formestane for 8-10 weeks. You can expect significant gains in lean muscle mass and strength, as well as an extreme increase in muscle hardness and definition. Overall, it is very comparable to Halodrol.

What about on-cycle support/post-cycle. Haven't researched Formestane much to be honest.

[Kingbuddy]

What if your adding Formestane to your cycle already and are just looking for the muscle hardness and definition it brings... should you dose it at 200 mg??

[joshweights]

that would be kinda expensive to use CEL formestane for 10 weeks at that high dose.

[TheSupremeBeing]

What about on-cycle support/post-cycle. Haven't researched Formestane much to be honest.

On cycle support is not at all necessary, and because Formestane is not very suppressive of natural testosterone production in high dosages(and not at all suppressive in lower dosages), PCT can be very basic(ATD/Divanil).

[TheSupremeBeing]

What if your adding Formestane to your cycle already and are just looking for the muscle hardness and definition it brings... should you dose it at 200 mg??

If you are adding Formestane to your cycle as an additional prohormone compound in order to achieve greater total gains in muscle mass and strength, and not just as an AI, I would use 300-500mg transdermally. 200mg daily is not enough for a strong anabolic effect.

[chasinSKURT]

On cycle support is not at all necessary, and because Formestane is not very suppressive of natural testosterone production in high dosages(and not at all suppressive in lower dosages), PCT can be very basic(ATD/Divanil).

I wouldn't bother with PCT for formestane, regardless of the dose. Only a small amount actually converts to 4-hydroxytestosterone, and I've never seen any evidence pointing to hpta suppression. In fact, everything I've read says suppression does not occur. As far as anabolic effects... meh. This is more of a recomp molecule than anything.

Also... to any company willing (CEL dudes, maybe iForce)... 4-OH-test would be a decent non-methyl designer.

[TheSupremeBeing]

I wouldn't bother with PCT for formestane, regardless of the dose. Only a small amount actually converts to 4-hydroxytestosterone, and I've never seen any evidence pointing to hpta suppression. In fact, everything I've read says suppression does not occur. As far as anabolic effects... meh. This is more of a recomp molecule than anything.

Also... to any company willing (CEL dudes, maybe iForce)... 4-OH-test would be a decent non-methyl designer.

Formestane, in much higer dosages, can indeed become suppressive of natural testosterone production. 4-Hydroxytestosterone is about as anabolic and as androgenic as Clostebol, which is not very suppressive at all, but still requires some form of PCT protocol in order to get testosterone levels OPTIMAL.

[chasinSKURT]

Formestane, in much higer dosages, can indeed become suppressive of natural testosterone production. 4-Hydroxytestosterone is about as anabolic and as androgenic as Clostebol, which is not very suppressive at all, but still requires some form of PCT protocol in order to get testosterone levels OPTIMAL.

It would make sense that formestane could be suppressive, but from all I've heard/read... it doesn't seem to show any hpta suppression when blood work is done. Again, not saying 4-oh-test isn't suppressive... just pointing out that I don't think any evidence and/or blood work exists showing that formestane can be suppressive. Formestane is probably one of the safest, and most under rated legal supplements out there. It's a shame more quality companies don't put out formestane products... it's DHSEA compliant too.

[TheSupremeBeing]

It would make sense that formestane could be suppressive, but from all I've heard/read... it doesn't seem to show any hpta suppression when blood work is done. Again, not saying 4-oh-test isn't suppressive... just pointing out that I don't think any evidence and/or blood work exists showing that formestane can be suppressive. Formestane is probably one of the safest, and most under rated legal supplements out there. It's a shame more quality companies don't put out formestane products... it's DHSEA compliant too.

I agree that Formestane is one of the "safest, and most under rated legal supplements" on the market. I applaud CEL for ressurrecting a transdermal Formestane product.

Formestane has very poor oral bioavailability, so in order to reach high enough blood levels of 4-Hydroxytestosterone that would cause HPTA inhibition, VERY high dosages must be used. However, a transdermal solution makes higher dosing with Formestane a simple reality, and we can easily reach high enough blood levels to induce HPTA inhibition.

Thus, it would require very high dosages in order for oral Formestane to induce HPTA inhibition. However, a transdermal Formestane product only requires 300-500mg to cause HPTA inhibition, as blood levels of 4-Hydroxytestosterone increase.

[chasinSKURT]

I agree that Formestane is one of the "safest, and most under rated legal supplements" on the market. I applaud CEL for ressurrecting a transdermal Formestane product.

Formestane has very poor oral bioavailability, so in order to reach high enough blood levels of 4-Hydroxytestosterone, VERY high dosages must be used. However, a transdermal solution makes higher dosing with Formestane a simple reality, and we can easily reach high enough blood levels to induce HPTA inhibition.

Thus, it would require very high dosages in order for oral Formestane to induce HPTA inhibition. However, a transdermal Formestane product only requires 300-500mg to cause HPTA inhibition.

Eeehhhhh... we'll just agree to disagree on the suppression aspect. lol

Even the research I've seen on intravenously administered formestane shows the primary urinary metabolite being 4-oh-androstenedione, not 4-oh-test. Bio-availability aside, barely any of the stuff converts anyways... which is why I don't particularly worry about hpta suppression. Just my .02 though.

[TheSupremeBeing]

Eeehhhhh... we'll just agree to disagree on the suppression aspect. lol

Even the research I've seen on intravenously administered formestane shows the primary urinary metabolite being 4-oh-androstenedione, not 4-oh-test. Bio-availability aside, barely any of the stuff converts anyways... which is why I don't particularly worry about hpta suppression. Just my .02 though.

Like I said, the data is limited, so I wouldn't suggest using Formestane for PCT as of now.

[joakman]

No effects on BP/Cholesterol/etc?

[MBSowards]

What is the point in this thread as compared to the other Formestane thread you made?

[Sldge]

It would make sense that formestane could be suppressive, but from all I've heard/read... it doesn't seem to show any hpta suppression when blood work is done. Again, not saying 4-oh-test isn't suppressive... just pointing out that I don't think any evidence and/or blood work exists showing that formestane can be suppressive. Formestane is probably one of the safest, and most under rated legal supplements out there. It's a shame more quality companies don't put out formestane products... it's DHSEA compliant too.

Id like to see the research for that. I used to think the same thing but have recently changed my mind for lack of actual science to support it. Im not saying the studies may not be out there, Im just saying I havent seen a single study that shows C4 hydroxylation of andro in the food supply.

[Sldge]

I wouldn't bother with PCT for formestane, regardless of the dose. Only a small amount actually converts to 4-hydroxytestosterone, and I've never seen any evidence pointing to hpta suppression. In fact, everything I've read says suppression does not occur. As far as anabolic effects... meh. This is more of a recomp molecule than anything.

Also... to any company willing (CEL dudes, maybe iForce)... 4-OH-test would be a decent non-methyl designer.

It is a decent non-methyl but its controlled.

[TheSupremeBeing]

What is the point in this thread as compared to the other Formestane thread you made?

Did you not read the intro? My last thread on Formestane prompted a ton of questions from members, so I created this thread to address those questions.

[TheSupremeBeing]

It is a decent non-methyl but its controlled.

Correct.

[Sldge]

**The Anabolic/Androgenic Dosages & Effects of Formestane**

After receiving numerous PM's about Formestane and proper dosing protocol, I was compelled to create this thread, in which I will outline the proper and effective use of Formestane products.

Formestane(4-Hyroxyandrostenedione) is a steroial aromatase inhibitor and a prohormone to the anabolic steroid 4-Hydroxytestosterone. It is not only effective for estrogen reduction, it is also a mild anabolic steroid. It was first patented by G.D. Searle & Co. in 1955, but it never hit the commercial market.

Try doing some more research, it most definitely has been released to the commercial market.



Trade name: Lentaron

Ingredients names:

# Formestane

Forms:

# Injectable; Injection; 250 mg

Destination / Category:

# Human

Indications and Usages:

# ATC
# ICD-10

Companies:

# Novartis

[TheSupremeBeing]

Try doing some more research, it most definitely has been released to the commercial market.



Trade name: Lentaron

Ingredients names:

# Formestane

Forms:

# Injectable; Injection; 250 mg

Destination / Category:

# Human

Indications and Usages:

# ATC
# ICD-10

Companies:

# Novartis

Great information! Thanks for the contribution to the thread Matt.