I'd say Ronnie, he faced a lot of the same competition as Dorian but also had Cutler to deal with.
"Coleman was destroyed by Gunther"..gtfo
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11-08-2012, 04:33 PM #32
A lot of that same competition wasn't on the upswing in their careers and an argument could be made that they were on the downside rather than at their peak. So it's not a reasonable comparison to make.
On paper, Yates was the most dominant Mr O ever, he won more Olympias with straight firsts in 6 Olympias while Coleman couldn't match that winning 8. Yates also had a tougher competition than Coleman, the list has already been mentioned, but Cutler and Wheeler were the only real threats to Coleman at any given time. Yates had 4-5 guys who were battling it out against him.
People tend to let their personal bias towards him get in the way of the facts. While I personally like Coleman more than Yates, there's absolutely no question that Yates was the most dominant.Welcome to thunder dome, bitch.
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11-08-2012, 04:44 PM #33
i didn't include branch and wolf but yeah i agree with the fact that now isn't as tight as the 90s. but i think we have more than just a top 2. I think that the 5-10th in the 90s were better but the current top4 (and upcommers like cedric but i'll not include him/them due to them not stepping onto the O stage yet) are better than the 90s top 4
I mainly meant nasser being a top dog with an incredible underwhelming back. levrone's back wasn't bad but it wasn't even toptier imho.
rhoden's back is pretty good. i dont think 90s had better condition as a whole but that's the general consensus on this forumMS, Computer Science
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11-08-2012, 05:19 PM #34
Dorian had more high end guys to compete with yeah, but Cutler was better than any of those guys imo, had Cutler been at his prime alongside Dorian i highly doubt he would ever have finished below second at the O.
People seem to be underestimating the level of competition Ronnie faced just because he tended to blow them out of the water so often..he still had to go up against Levrone, Wheeler, Cutler etc..
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11-08-2012, 06:01 PM #35
1st paragraph - true
2nd paragraph - didnt yates won in 97 with perfect scores? he was, to say the very least, far from dominant at that show dispite perfect score. If yates had 4-5 guys battling it out with him how was he more domiant than a guy who only had, as you say, wheeler and jay to worry about?Last edited by Unbiasedfan; 11-08-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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11-08-2012, 07:00 PM #37
The best of Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, Paul Dillett, Nasser El Sonbaty, Vince Taylor, and even a 320-pound Lou Ferrigno were the bodybuilders Dorian had to face during his reign.
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11-09-2012, 02:36 AM #41
I hope you are being sarcastic, Ronnie or Yates would destroy Phil.
Gunter was gifted that win, and they turned the O into a circus that year and gave Gustavo the win in the challenge round to heat things up. They even had HHH hosting. It might as well have been a WWE event.
Dorian and Ronnie both faced incredible competition. Today's competitors are not as good IMO. Back then there were always half a dozen guys that were razor sharp every show and it was hard to tell who might win any given year.6'2"
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Overall standard in the 90s far better than today's.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=fHjXhCz3uKI
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11-12-2012, 11:09 AM #46
Phil and Kai in 2010 would have beaten Kevin and Flex in that show had they all been on stage together. That video has been stretched too I'm pretty sure, they all look very wide and the waists dont' look right. Everyonee wants to talk about how the
90's are better than today but let's face it, your cherry picking shows out of 10 years worth! 96 AC, 94 Olympia, 91 Nationals, 99BGP. Go look at actual photos from some of these shows and alot of these guys dont' even have shredded glutes. Oversharpened VHS tapes overstate conditioning ALOT. Measly reps to anyone who can find the TRUE HQ video of Shawn Ray's mythical 1998 posing routine.
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11-12-2012, 11:41 AM #47
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The video is wide but the quality is still clear to see. Im talking about overall quality. Yeah Phil and Kai are amazing, but thats two. Im talkin about the overall standard from 1-6 or 1-10. Theres a thread posted a couple of weeks ago showing every olympia from the early 90s onwards. Place some top 10 guys from today in most id those line ups and shredded glutes or not theyd look terrible.
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11-12-2012, 12:02 PM #48
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Cant find the thread, but heres one with hd 92 olympia. I think the same quality if not better continued for next few years.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149118393
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I agree with this, but this wouldn't have been true just a few years ago.
Kind of up to interpretation. Dorian didn't compete in any show other than the Olympia when he won I think. Also, there were some shows he controversially won (with Ronnie, there was 01 and 02 if we're strictly talking Olympias). Dorian had a torn bicep one show and a torn quad another Olympia.
I don't keep the challenge round in mind with Gustavo and Ronnie because it was more about strategy in that (which is pretty cool, imo, but bodybuilding shows are about the overall look of the competitors with strategy coming more into play when it comes to how you hit your poses, stance etc....whereas the challenge round was more about which specific poses you can beat another bodybuilder in)
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11-12-2012, 12:56 PM #50
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not sure about Dorian. Apples and oranges there. He was blocky. With Ronnie at least you can say his waist was pretty good during his best years.
And lol @ saying Gunter was gifted. He was a bit better than Ronnie at that show. Ronnie was off and looked a bit bloated in several pics i've seen of the comp.
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11-12-2012, 01:05 PM #51
True. Dorian never lost a challenge round during his reign. Amazing since you would've thought with a torn bicep another competitor would've attack that obvious weakness of his.
Oh yea, let me help fill in the gaps. There were no challenge rounds during Dorian Yates' reign. So bringing that up when comparing Ronnie to Yates is retarded."No longer either be dissatisfied with thy present lot, or shrink from the future."
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11-13-2012, 04:33 PM #57
idk man, it looks pretty close to me.. Gunter pretty much nailed it and he does have the size to hang with Ronnie, especially when Ronnie is off. Gunter is like a bigger version of Jay. I think it was fairly close, but I do think their was some Bias against Ronnie.. Even the preview poster of the show had Gunter as the main guy in hte picture.
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