So I was speaking to the "powerlifter" of my sucky commercial gym. He is actually a legit guy, well not by the forum standards but by "local" standards. He can rep 405lbs bench, deadlift 500lbs etc.
Anyway, he said he rarely does direct shoulder work, ie shoulder pressing but does say that the standing barbell OHP is the best movement for shoulders (I am sure everyone here would agree!).
What do you guys say about direct overhead pressing work? Does it have good carryover to the bench ie make your bench stronger? The plane of movement is vertical and I don't see how it is beneficial? I am not doubting it, just wondering is it worth it? I know that OHP pressing over the years causes bone spurs to grow that have to be filed down (broscience lol).....and a lot of people are not flexible enough to do overhead pressing...
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10-08-2011, 03:15 PM #1
Shoulder Press....do, or don't do?
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10-08-2011, 03:21 PM #2
I have found that the push press is a good movement. It is not as strict as the standard shoulder press but it allows you to use significantly more weight.
The execution assists in the development of leg drive, CNS stimulation and explosive speed and power.
As long as the movement is not overused, the push press can have a decent carry over to the bench press.
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10-08-2011, 03:22 PM #3
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10-09-2011, 06:43 AM #6
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I shoulder press and do bicep curls once a month. The reason I do them is to keep the tendons and muscles strong and healthy. In powerlifting there is zero use for bicep curls and shoulder presses.
Do rotator cuff exercises. That's more important than anything else.
But I guess if you can strict press a weight you can probably bench it.Bench 402 (ace)/ 385 (440 in slingshot)
Squat 600 (predators + frantz canvas) / 441lbs
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Vertical 29in
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10-09-2011, 07:24 AM #7
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10-09-2011, 10:36 AM #8
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10-09-2011, 10:49 AM #9
my 2 cents.
you bench raw or you use gear?
from day one the overhead press was considered important and pretty much all big benchers were also big overhead pressers. The overhead press directly works the front delt which is important in benching
in the last 10-20 years, but mainly the last 10, with the advent of the really strong and specialized bench shirts....all of a sudden overhead press isnt needed and even looked upon as detrimental.
has human anatomy changed in the last 10-20 years? if you are going to stop overhead pressing, go ahead and stop doing tri work also"Humility comes before honor"
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10-09-2011, 11:29 AM #10
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10-09-2011, 08:11 PM #18
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If you are trying to improve your bench press then adding in direct shoulder work may or may not be helpful, but if you want to be balanced/well-rounded then I would include some type of overhead pressing.
For deltoid development I would say that seated dumbbell presses are a better option than standing barbell press.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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10-09-2011, 10:27 PM #21
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10-10-2011, 08:22 AM #22
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10-10-2011, 09:22 AM #23
A guy that trains at my gym that competes occasionally swears by doing almost only shoulders and triceps for bench strength. Benches maybe once every other month or several weeks out if competing. So his philosophy is very much the opposite than the above. Not sure if he competes raw or with gear but pretty solid all around. Competes at 205, think he said he hit a 455 on bench and I've seen him pull over 600 on DL. Squat I'm not sure about. Stocky little Asian dude.
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10-10-2011, 11:25 AM #24
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10-10-2011, 01:27 PM #25
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I very seldom do any type of shoulder pressing. When I do decide to do shoulder presses, after a few weeks of doing them my shoulder joints start hurting(and not in a good way). So I just don't do them very often. Most of my shoulder work is work for the side and rear delts, and I also do alot of rotator cuff work. I rarely hit front delts because I feel they get enough work from benches, boards, lockouts and stuff like that
Last edited by muscle_g; 10-10-2011 at 01:34 PM.
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10-10-2011, 01:45 PM #26
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for you and others with shoulder issues...
http://articles.elitefts.com/article...oulder-health/
I'm a huge fan of the inverted rows and cable Ls
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10-10-2011, 02:15 PM #27
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