Can you get gyno from taking natural test boosters?

[Rolo01]

Am thinking about taking Activate Xtreme &
Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT as those two seem to be the best ones that have worked for people. Would you get Gyno from just taking these test boosters? That's the only thing am worried about. Could some please explain?

[DrBermant]

Am thinking about taking Activate Xtreme &
Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT as those two seem to be the best ones that have worked for people. Would you get Gyno from just taking these test boosters? That's the only thing am worried about. Could some please explain?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5995871

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=106936441

Any product that "enhance free testosterone" levels can cause gynecomastia. I have seen many patients unhappy after getting male breast enlargement from taking over the counter substances that were designed to boost testosterone. Just because something put in the body is not prescription, does not mean it cannot have a major effect on the body. This can be one of many possible Drugs or Substances that can Cause Gynecomastia

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Male Breast Reduction

[JMadden]

Am thinking about taking Activate Xtreme &
Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT as those two seem to be the best ones that have worked for people. Would you get Gyno from just taking these test boosters? That's the only thing am worried about. Could some please explain?

The Doctor has a point...I am sure that natural test boosters can cause gyno...however, I have taken a few cycles of a few different boosters and did not experience any adverse effects...but that is just me...all mileages vary.

[PinchTheBear]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5995871

This kid did a cycle of superdrol and is blaming gyno on ActX.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=106936441

Here's another thread with this kid FREAKING OUT about negative sides on a different test boost stack:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=108198981

Also, he went to his doctor and his bloods were normal. HE DID NOT HAVE GYNO.

I know you're a doctor, but you're certainly not a detective.

[DrBermant]

I know you're a doctor, but you're certainly not a detective.

Perhaps not for posts here in this forum, my word search was not effective nor complete. Sorry about that.

But for patients who come to me I have seen breast growth and gynecomastia by their history of taking such substances. I do work with up to 8 gynecomastia patients a day. The point is that the problem does happen when the only offending item was the "nutritional supplement." Sometimes there are multiple factors, but over the many years I have been sculpting gynecomastia there have been many, many patients who told me they had no contour problem until they started taking ---, then they had breast tenderness, breast growth, and for some even nipple discharge. Some then explain that some of the symptoms improved after stopping that substance and then returned when they tried it again.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Male Breast Reduction

[ChristianLoving]

Perhaps not for posts here in this forum, my word search was not effective nor complete. Sorry about that.

But for patients who come to me I have seen breast growth and gynecomastia by their history of taking such substances. I do work with up to 8 gynecomastia patients a day. The point is that the problem does happen when the only offending item was the "nutritional supplement." Sometimes there are multiple factors, but over the many years I have been sculpting gynecomastia there have been many, many patients who told me they had no contour problem until they started taking ---, then they had breast tenderness, breast growth, and for some even nipple discharge. Some then explain that some of the symptoms improved after stopping that substance and then returned when they tried it again.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Male Breast Reduction

I'm definately not here to argue with you, but I do have a question.

How exactly is a natural test booter going to promote muchless CAUSE gyno if theres no rebound effect with estrogen?

Wouldn't your test levels have to be supressed or something else converting to estrogen to cause extremely high levels of estrogen in the body to make this happen in the first place?

[ChristianLoving]

Any product that "enhance free testosterone" levels can cause gynecomastia.



Is this a blanket statement way of throwing steroids in your explaination as well?

[Mitch339]

any product that alters your natural hormonal balance CAN possibly cause gyno...everyone is different man.

[LeeKun]

I always like to be safe so I'm going to be be the worry wort that I am and ask...

E-Bol & T-bol... Should I be concerned at all about gyno?

[Rodzilla]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5995871

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=106936441

Any product that "enhance free testosterone" levels can cause gynecomastia. I have seen many patients unhappy after getting male breast enlargement from taking over the counter substances that were designed to boost testosterone. Just because something put in the body is not prescription, does not mean it cannot have a major effect on the body. This can be one of many possible Drugs or Substances that can Cause Gynecomastia

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Male Breast Reduction

Great info as always Dr. B

I'm definately not here to argue with you, but I do have a question.

How exactly is a natural test booter going to promote muchless CAUSE gyno if theres no rebound effect with estrogen?

Wouldn't your test levels have to be supressed or something else converting to estrogen to cause extremely high levels of estrogen in the body to make this happen in the first place?

Who's to say there is no rebound effect? No your test levels would not have to be supressed; on the contrary, if they are elevated it may make for an elevation in estrogen as well.

I always like to be safe so I'm going to be be the worry wort that I am and ask...

E-Bol & T-bol... Should I be concerned at all about gyno?

E-Bol is non-hormonal
it is possible with any hormonal product. It's also an individual thing, you may or may not be predisposed.

[Gym God]

.... It's also an individual thing, you may or may not be predisposed.

....^^^^

[Mike83]

Everyone is different and responds differently to supplements. It is very possible and occurs more often than you think. There are many factors that play the role of possibility's in the individual person, such as higher body fat and a million other things.

[Rolo01]

What about natty test boosters that are herbal test & more natural stuff like ZMA? Doesn't the gyno go away eventually though to on it's own? Also, wouldn't the chances of getting gyno be low for me since am an ecto?

[PinchTheBear]

What about natty test boosters that are herbal test & more natural stuff like ZMA? Doesn't the gyno go away eventually though to on it's own? Also, wouldn't the chances of getting gyno be low for me since am an ecto?

You have a lot of research to do, man. Read some studies, learn the jargon and use your intuition.

[TMac26]

What about natty test boosters that are herbal test & more natural stuff like ZMA? Doesn't the gyno go away eventually though to on it's own? Also, wouldn't the chances of getting gyno be low for me since am an ecto?

ZMA does nothing for boosting test unless you are deficient.

[Gym God]

What about natty test boosters that are herbal test & more natural stuff like ZMA? Doesn't the gyno go away eventually though to on it's own? Also, wouldn't the chances of getting gyno be low for me since am an ecto?

How old are you?

If you don't have any problems or issues with gynocomastia, try a 'natural' test booster. The stress that you're causing yourself on this, is more detrimental than that extremely small chance of getting a gyno flare up from a 'natural' test booster.

[red_cat]

It's also an individual thing, you may or may not be predisposed.

What might some of the predisposing factors be? Just curious.

[TMac26]

What might some of the predisposing factors be? Just curious.

Pubescent gyno.

[ChristianLoving]

Wow...

Damn that sucks.

Good thing I had that **** cut outta me...lol.

[Purplekoolaid]

I thought it was common knowledge that almost anything that raises test can and probably will raise estrogen

[ChristianLoving]

I thought it was common knowledge that almost anything that raises test can and probably will raise estrogen

True...

but enough to cause gyno? that's pretty serious female juice.

but like it was stated...everyone is different. I regress.

[TMac26]

I thought it was common knowledge that almost anything that raises test can and probably will raise estrogen

This is true, but with MOST individuals its not a problem since natty test boosters just put in the upper range of "normal"

[ChristianLoving]

This is true, but with MOST individuals its not a problem since natty test boosters just put in the upper range of "normal"

This is what I was banking on.

[Purplekoolaid]

True...

but enough to cause gyno? that's pretty serious female juice.

but like it was stated...everyone is different. I regress.

no, but you do take your chances.

[ChristianLoving]

no, but you do take your chances.

Agreed.

It was ignorant of me to sit here and pretty much state it was IMPOSSIBLE with natty test boosters. When anyone with half a brain knows that pretty much ANYTHING is possible. Especially with the human body.

[TMac26]

I suffered with a small bit years back when i was using, but it cleared up until i gained a bit of bodyfat

Thanks

Bodyfat does not equal gyno.

[PinchTheBear]

Bodyfat does not equal gyno.

Lipomastia =/= Gynecomastia

[ChristianLoving]

Doc, Iv been out the BB lop for a while so was wondering is there anything that will reduce gyno now apart from surgery?

I suffered with a small bit years back when i was using, but it cleared up until i gained a bit of bodyfat due to being out of action for a fair while with a major back injury.

Thanks

If thats the case, you more than likely suffer from pseudo gyno. Meaning you have fatty deposits in the breast region, but little or no REAL actual breast tissue.

[red_cat]

Pubescent gyno.

Figured that one. Just didn't know if there was anything that I wasn't thinking of.

I thought it was common knowledge that almost anything that raises test can and probably will raise estrogen

While that's true, several of the natty boosters I've seen have built-in estrogen reducers/blockers/metabolizers...or some combination of the three. You'd probably need to stack several natty boosters together to put our levels high enough to start worrying about gyno.

[DrBermant]

Doc, Iv been out the BB lop for a while so was wondering is there anything that will reduce gyno now apart from surgery?

I suffered with a small bit years back when i was using, but it cleared up until i gained a bit of bodyfat due to being out of action for a fair while with a major back injury.

Thanks

Weight Loss can help with the fat component of gynecomastia, but there are often residual gland, fat, and skin contour issues left behind.

Bodyfat does not equal gyno.

Lipomastia =/= Gynecomastia

If thats the case, you more than likely suffer from pseudo gyno. Meaning you have fatty deposits in the breast region, but little or no REAL actual breast tissue.

The normal Anatomy of Gynecomastia consists of gland, fat, and skin.

Gyno is public slang for gynecomastia. Galen was the first to coin the word gynecomastia in the second century A.D. Although he was aware of the gland, his description was for the fat component. So, no, if it is fat does not exclude it being gynecomastia. It is the same for a female breast. The Anatomy of a Female Breast also has gland, fat, and skin. Just because a female breast has more fat does not make it any less of a female breast.

Pseudogynecomastia is a relatively new term that is simply horrible. At what point does a fatty breast become "pseudo?" Is that 25%, 50%, 75%? If so, what point does a female breast become "pseudo?" It is a terrible term that has little meaning in the real world.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Male Breast Reduction