whats your opinion on BCAA before bed?
I was reading a article by layne and he stats he takes BCAA before bed and also midnight when he wakes up to piss..
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Thread: BCAA Before bed
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08-26-2008, 06:42 AM #1
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08-26-2008, 10:01 AM #10
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I always wake up at least once to use the bathroom, so what I started to do is have my Xtend bedside. Its definatly not a bad time to get your BCAA's in. Not at all.
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08-26-2008, 02:22 PM #11
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08-26-2008, 02:26 PM #12
All I know, when I wake up from sleeping and I have ingested BCAA's prior to falling asleep, I have a middle of the night "pump". I feel nitrogen retention is higher, and generally I don't get as flat over night. Guess xtend in my veins keeps me anabolic at night, not too mention the glutamine FTW .
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08-26-2008, 05:10 PM #13
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08-26-2008, 09:16 PM #17
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=110087141
This thread has useful info on it. A journal article was posted in it as wellYour achievements in life mean NOTHING without aesthetics
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08-28-2008, 06:56 PM #20
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I actually asked Marc about this very situation. Upon opening my first bottle of Knockout.
Becuase BCAA decreases or BLOCKS the release of Trypophan, yet Knock out increases it. SO my question was in reference to Xtend and Knockout competing with each other.
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08-28-2008, 07:26 PM #21
Overthinking science is a complement to me thanks
One journal article does not mean everything but realize the doses in that article were no where near as high as some people megadosing. When you take those 3 aminos in such a higher concentration than the other EAAs you are just making more work for your body and potentially causing issues...homeostasis will always win!! (unless you die then it loses lol).
But I'm sick of arguing with people over BCAAs I don't care if people take 0 BCAAs or 100 scoops it doesn't effect me lol..Last edited by alaska21; 08-28-2008 at 07:30 PM.
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08-29-2008, 02:46 AM #22
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By posting an opinion contradictory to yours I am arguing?
If homeostasis wins, then my gaining 20lbs in less than a year of lean mass was obviously my body's attempt at homeostasis.
Also, realize that doses in the article were NOT on bodybuilders consuming a high protein diet.www.scivation.com
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08-29-2008, 03:01 AM #23
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08-29-2008, 04:26 AM #25
Wouldn't the high protein diet render high doses of BCAA almost useless since they would be getting ample amounts through protein intake (especially if alot is from whey as is the case with alot of bbers)??
And, wouldn't casein (or a blend) be preferrable for prebed due to the slower digestion?
Just curious
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08-29-2008, 05:59 AM #26
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08-29-2008, 05:19 PM #27
Free form aminos go into the blood quicker- no hydrolysis of peptide bonds are needed
BCAAs in protein: They have the same effect as free form..because well- we only absorb free form amino acids. However, BCAAs in proteins have to be broken down into amino acids (as do all the other AA's in whey). BCAAs belong to the non polar amino acid class, along with alanine, methionine, glycine, and proline. So all 7 non polar AAs may compete for active transport channels in the brush border cells of the small intestine...and even if competition is ignored the "protein bound" bcaas take longer to get in the blood stream than if one were to take xtend
What we really need is a study comparing Protein + free form BCAA, vs. Protein. Lately, studies compare BCAAs vs CARB drink which is a LAUGHABLE experiment! Marc mentioned a new study which I will anxiously be looking out for!
Edit: Taking free form is the only way to get BCAAs in a ratio other than the ratio a complete protein contains themYour achievements in life mean NOTHING without aesthetics
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10-31-2014, 10:43 PM #28
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I take em
I use MP BCAAs caps and take 1 serving some days and days I take 3 servings. Is the 3-2-1 ratio so I do take 5 grams before bed along with 5-10 grams of Glutamine. I have been doing this for this whole year but the past 3 weeks have slept like crap..I maybe sleep about 5 hours then wake up and feel restless ...some caffeine takes care of it but I think It's due to stress as I just went through a highly stressful 4 weeks at work and when you throw in 3-4 hard weight training workouts a week with high stress and heavy lifting maybe it's knocked down my immune system al though I have not been sick...just feel more tired & irritable . I doubt it's the BCAAs? I just saw this was an OOOOlddd thread my bad lol.
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11-12-2014, 07:31 PM #29
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11-18-2014, 12:39 AM #30
I recently started taking 5g BCAAs, 5g Glutamine, 500mg Lysine, 2g Arginine, and 1g Ornithine pre-bed. This is in addition to the ZMA, and small amount of GABA and Melatonin I usually took.
I know I don't have control groups and I am one person with no way to restrict gains to just these additions among the myriad of variables at play; nonetheless, I have got some of the best recovery in my entire life these past few weeks.Upper/Lower program write-up:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=160554001&p=1215242691&viewfull=1#post1215242691
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