BCAA Before bed

[LiL_JaY]

whats your opinion on BCAA before bed?

I was reading a article by layne and he stats he takes BCAA before bed and also midnight when he wakes up to piss..

[Beast]

whats your opinion on BCAA before bed?

I was reading a article by layne and he stats he takes BCAA before bed and also midnight when he wakes up to piss..

It certainly can't hurt. Downing some Xtend in the middle of the night when you wake up to use the bathroom is a great technique which I have used in the past.

[jdiddyesquire]

It certainly can't hurt. Downing some Xtend in the middle of the night when you wake up to use the bathroom is a great technique which I have used in the past.

I do this too, but it usually just leads to having to pee again in 30 minutes!

[semper27]

I favor the idea of BCAA's before bed. I normally take in 2 scoops of Xtend right before bed and when I take a middle of the night trip to the bathroom, I down another 2 scoops.

[Beast]

I do this too, but it usually just leads to having to pee again in 30 minutes!

LOL. Guess you need to use less water

[BlueFenix13S]

LOL. Guess you need to use less water

Or you could just snort it

[truthandlife]

It certainly can't hurt. Downing some Xtend in the middle of the night when you wake up to use the bathroom is a great technique which I have used in the past.

Derek, did this interfere with your sleep? I have noticed doing Xtend before I go to bed makes it more difficult to go to sleep.

[semper27]

Derek, did this interfere with your sleep? I have noticed doing Xtend before I go to bed makes it more difficult to go to sleep.

I've never really noticed Xtend causing me not to sleep! Perhaps a dose of Knockout before the Xtend?

[Beast]

Derek, did this interfere with your sleep? I have noticed doing Xtend before I go to bed makes it more difficult to go to sleep.

No it never affected my sleep. But since taking BCAA would increase the BCAA:Tryptophan levels I could see how that could be possible.

[FATHER FLEX]

I always wake up at least once to use the bathroom, so what I started to do is have my Xtend bedside. Its definatly not a bad time to get your BCAA's in. Not at all.

[vbsunbum1]

I favor the idea of BCAA's before bed. I normally take in 2 scoops of Xtend right before bed and when I take a middle of the night trip to the bathroom, I down another 2 scoops.

I do the same (just less of an amount since I don't need as much as semp does). Doesn't interfere with my sleep at all.

[Blimp2Pimp]

All I know, when I wake up from sleeping and I have ingested BCAA's prior to falling asleep, I have a middle of the night "pump". I feel nitrogen retention is higher, and generally I don't get as flat over night. Guess xtend in my veins keeps me anabolic at night, not too mention the glutamine FTW .

[alaska21]

I would not take it before bed...high doses of BCAAs interfere with dopamine and serotonin levels.

[alaska21]

Derek, did this interfere with your sleep? I have noticed doing Xtend before I go to bed makes it more difficult to go to sleep.

This is expected.

[gbg]

I would not take it before bed...high doses of BCAAs interfere with dopamine and serotonin levels.

how high?

[juiyuanwu]

Or you could just snort it

HAHA wow, that made me laugh....REPPED(nothing tho =/)

[alaska21]

how high?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=110087141

This thread has useful info on it. A journal article was posted in it as well

[gbg]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=110087141

This thread has useful info on it. A journal article was posted in it as well

thanks for the link!

[Scivation]

I would not take it before bed...high doses of BCAAs interfere with dopamine and serotonin levels.

You are overthinking this. One journal article doesn't mean much especially when consumed with a high protein diet.

[LiL USMC BBer]

No it never affected my sleep. But since taking BCAA would increase the BCAA:Tryptophan levels I could see how that could be possible.

I actually asked Marc about this very situation. Upon opening my first bottle of Knockout.


Becuase BCAA decreases or BLOCKS the release of Trypophan, yet Knock out increases it. SO my question was in reference to Xtend and Knockout competing with each other.

I haven't had sleep issues. If anything I LOVE Knockout. I usually get 3-5 hours of sleep a night and I wake up stiff as a board and it feels like I've been sleeping for days lol.

[alaska21]

You are overthinking this. One journal article doesn't mean much especially when consumed with a high protein diet.

Overthinking science is a complement to me thanks

One journal article does not mean everything but realize the doses in that article were no where near as high as some people megadosing. When you take those 3 aminos in such a higher concentration than the other EAAs you are just making more work for your body and potentially causing issues...homeostasis will always win!! (unless you die then it loses lol).


But I'm sick of arguing with people over BCAAs I don't care if people take 0 BCAAs or 100 scoops it doesn't effect me lol..

[Scivation]

Overthinking science is a complement to me thanks

One journal article does not mean everything but realize the doses in that article were no where near as high as some people megadosing. When you take those 3 aminos in such a higher concentration than the other EAAs you are just making more work for your body and potentially causing issues...homeostasis will always win!! (unless you die then it loses lol).


But I'm sick of arguing with people over BCAAs I don't care if people take 0 BCAAs or 100 scoops it doesn't effect me lol..

By posting an opinion contradictory to yours I am arguing?

If homeostasis wins, then my gaining 20lbs in less than a year of lean mass was obviously my body's attempt at homeostasis.

Also, realize that doses in the article were NOT on bodybuilders consuming a high protein diet.

[billfinkbiner]

By posting an opinion contradictory to yours I am arguing?

If homeostasis wins, then my gaining 20lbs in less than a year of lean mass was obviously my body's attempt at homeostasis.

Also, realize that doses in the article were NOT on bodybuilders consuming a high protein diet.

I'm about to be off to bed and am going to wash down my vitamins and Knockout with a big drink of XTEND.

OHZ NOEZ my seratonin and dopamine must be fine, because I've been drinkning Xtend before bed for over an entire year now.

Nighty night guys.

[cantelmi]

I'm about to be off to bed and am going to wash down my vitamins and Knockout with a big drink of XTEND.

OHZ NOEZ my seratonin and dopamine must be fine, because I've been drinkning Xtend before bed for over an entire year now.

Nighty night guys.

Xtend Slushie? I have been having Xtend slushies every nigh on my prep even though its about 3 degree here i cant get enough of them!

[wobemaster]

Also, realize that doses in the article were NOT on bodybuilders consuming a high protein diet.

Wouldn't the high protein diet render high doses of BCAA almost useless since they would be getting ample amounts through protein intake (especially if alot is from whey as is the case with alot of bbers)??

And, wouldn't casein (or a blend) be preferrable for prebed due to the slower digestion?

Just curious

thanks

[Scivation]

Wouldn't the high protein diet render high doses of BCAA almost useless since they would be getting ample amounts through protein intake (especially if alot is from whey as is the case with alot of bbers)??

And, wouldn't casein (or a blend) be preferrable for prebed due to the slower digestion?

Just curious

thanks

NO!

There is a HUGE difference between free form aminos and bonded protein and how they function in the body.

And this is WITH proper diet and proetin intake. Xtend does not replace meals, it enhances them!

[alaska21]

Free form aminos go into the blood quicker- no hydrolysis of peptide bonds are needed


BCAAs in protein: They have the same effect as free form..because well- we only absorb free form amino acids. However, BCAAs in proteins have to be broken down into amino acids (as do all the other AA's in whey). BCAAs belong to the non polar amino acid class, along with alanine, methionine, glycine, and proline. So all 7 non polar AAs may compete for active transport channels in the brush border cells of the small intestine...and even if competition is ignored the "protein bound" bcaas take longer to get in the blood stream than if one were to take xtend

What we really need is a study comparing Protein + free form BCAA, vs. Protein. Lately, studies compare BCAAs vs CARB drink which is a LAUGHABLE experiment! Marc mentioned a new study which I will anxiously be looking out for!


Edit: Taking free form is the only way to get BCAAs in a ratio other than the ratio a complete protein contains them

[muscleshakes]

I use MP BCAAs caps and take 1 serving some days and days I take 3 servings. Is the 3-2-1 ratio so I do take 5 grams before bed along with 5-10 grams of Glutamine. I have been doing this for this whole year but the past 3 weeks have slept like crap..I maybe sleep about 5 hours then wake up and feel restless ...some caffeine takes care of it but I think It's due to stress as I just went through a highly stressful 4 weeks at work and when you throw in 3-4 hard weight training workouts a week with high stress and heavy lifting maybe it's knocked down my immune system al though I have not been sick...just feel more tired & irritable . I doubt it's the BCAAs? I just saw this was an OOOOlddd thread my bad lol.

[italianplaya30]

I would only have BCAA before bed when I am cutting…I wouldn't do it when bulking

[JoeyTS]

I recently started taking 5g BCAAs, 5g Glutamine, 500mg Lysine, 2g Arginine, and 1g Ornithine pre-bed. This is in addition to the ZMA, and small amount of GABA and Melatonin I usually took.

I know I don't have control groups and I am one person with no way to restrict gains to just these additions among the myriad of variables at play; nonetheless, I have got some of the best recovery in my entire life these past few weeks.