Why aren't Christians killing gays?

[BigRone]

old testament laws don't apply in modern times.


ever seen Orthadox Jews stoning people?

NO,
because the bible also says to respect the Law of the land.

there are many modern day christians like u that disgust me, not everything like that applies, just cuz everyone is havin premarital sex and going out every weekend n try to "bang sloots" does that mean it is okay to do it, that you wont go to hell for it? no. u cant justify everything by saying oh times change. lust and product of the devil is lust and product of the devil.

[lasher]

there are many modern day christians like u that disgust me, not everything like that applies, just cuz everyone is havin premarital sex and going out every weekend n try to "bang sloots" does that mean it is okay to do it, that you wont go to hell for it? no. u cant justify everything by saying oh times change. lust and product of the devil is lust and product of the devil.

Why do you have another man's legs over your shoulders? Or, if not a man, a very chubby woman?

[brighamw]

OP is sooooo stupid!

How can they kill the gays, what if they touch them or bleed on them?

Then they might catch the gay!

Duhhh......

[NYbrah]

Most people think the Bible was written in English. Most people have poor exegesis skills.

Ladies and gentlemen, NYBrah.

most bible scholars agree on same english translation which condemns homosex fatty

[lasher]

most bible scholars agree on same english translation which condemns homosex fatty

there's a significant number of dissenting greek language scholars actually.

[Gabriel Anton]

I thought it was pretty clear that Christians follow the New Testament.

OP are u aware that Leviticus is in the Old Testament?

Then why the **** do they feel the need to trot out the Old Testament whenever they feel like denying people rights.

[Tormoz]

Do you even know why Sodom was destroyed? The Bible tells you and it wasn't because of gays. The word Sodom, does not come from the same word as Sodomy. They are linguistically unrelated.

I'm sorry for being brash here, but what did you just say? Do you speak English? How the heck does Sodomy not come from Sodom and Gomorrah? Let alone, have you ever read the Bible, because it sounds like you are quoting your highschool/college professor here. Furthermore, why do you bring up the bible if you yourself dont believe; what that give you the right to judge us when you yourself follow your own wishes and wants?

[TH3SHR3DD3R]

most bible scholars agree on same english translation which condemns homosex fatty

there's a significant number of dissenting greek language scholars actually.

Not to mention the vast array of English translations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_translations

Ladies and gentlemen, NYBrah: failing at textual exegesis via phone since 2011.

[Tormoz]

Not to mention the vast array of English translations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_translations

Ladies and gentlemen, NYBrah: failing at textual exegesis via phone since 2011.

Yea yea, better yet, learn Greek and go translate it yourself

[Rebamomma135165]

Strong facts post.

So your average Christian wants to follow the OT when it comes to gays after-all.... guess they should man up and stat the killing like the OT says.

The teachings of Jesus are nonviolent. The coming of Jesus in the flesh changes everything for humanity. Jesus himself becomes the scapegoat that suffers a violent death and is raised from the dead to show sin, death, and the devil will not reign as he comes to judge the living and the dead. Human beings are not to ever dispense final justice because this is the domain of God. All people will stand before God some day in judgement, but yes, the Bible does teach a categorical "no" to homosexuality in both the OT and NT. Of course, you may be aware there are huge conflicts going on within Christian denominations about this issue in light of the modern understanding of homosexuality not being a "choice". One of the questions being raised is whether social, scientific, and other issues of the first century are totally transferable to our understandings in the modern world. There are a variety of different viewpoints on this issue. It's really an issue about how an ancient document and social practices and understandings are to be interpreted in the modern world. Different theologians have different viewpoints on this issue. I hope this is somewhat helpful, but the bottom line is violence of any kinds should not be an option for the Christian. Yet, in saying this, there is even controversy on this issue, i.e. Christian involvement in the plot to kill Hitler and Just War theory.

[TruKnight]

the bottom line is that its still a sin, like lying, cheating, murdering, etc. and they ALL carry the death penatly and we are ALL guilty of most of them.

the church is not here to enforce the penalty for sin, we are here to proclaim to you the way to be forgiven and to live and not die.

the lord will do his own enforcement, whenever and however he pleases to and doesent need our help.

also, sodom and the cities of the plain were not destroyed because they were merely full of homosexuals, they were destroyed because, to a man, the whole city publicy enforced and promoted it.

[KiwiBro2]

OP do you even Bible???

Next time before you post a thread with such a weak argument, do a little research and save yourself the humiliation. I thought atheist pride themselves of their intellect. Clearly you don't.

As already pointed out, the verse you quoted is from the OT, that's Jewish law, given to Moses after the Jewish people escaped Egyptian captivity.

I actually Loled hard when I read the OP.

So why don't these Christians man up and start really obeying the orders of the Bible?

Using Jewish laws to try and say Christians aren't following the Bible???

Use Jesus' teachings to try and convict us next time brah


You don't even realize what your talking about. Read the NT. Did you know practicing homosexuals can go to heaven? Yes that right. Although homosexuality is a sin, in Gods eyes its no different than adultery, stealing, lust etc. ANY sin is enough to "disqualify" you from heaven, and yet the other side of this is ANY sin can be forgiven through Jesus.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

There is nothing that can disqualify you from being a Christian so long and you do what that verse says. So you can believe in evolution, you can be a practicing homosexual, you can be a ****phile, a murderer, a rapist.

Jesus taught LOVE not hate, please next time don't post on a subject you know nothing about.

[access1denied]

The same can be said to those who think they've found oodles of biblical contradictions. Go point them out to NT, greek/hebrew language scholars, and ask the question where it's relevant.

I can confirm.

The contradictions that critics find are artificial and tortured. The Bible is free thematic and theological contradictions.

[access1denied]

The only 2 verses in the New Testament that mention same-sex behavior are Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 (3 if you count a Timothy verse that is a duplicate to Corinthians). They are 2 of the most butchered verses in the entire Bible. 1 Corinthians 6:9 is a textual corruption. "Homosexual" was not added to that verse until 1948. It has never in the 1900 years prior referred to homosexuals. In fact, for the entire Protestant Reformation, it condemned masturbation. The issue with that verse is based on a very vague Greek word that Paul invented. According to 1st Century Jewish scholars, Paul was condemning temple prostitutes.

You are incorrect. The Greek in 1 Cor. 6:9 for "homosexual" is the proper term for a man who lies with a man as if with a women -- a homosexual. The word is, ἀρσενοκοίτης, and here is an online link to its Strong's Concordance number: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...ngs=G733&t=NIV. The root for ἀρσενοκοίτης is the same as that used for the Septuagint for the Leviticus commandment for the community of Israel to execute homosexuals in their midst.

Romans 1 is referring to pagan worship rituals and the hedonistic practices of the Greco-Romans. Christians had reverted to their old ways, and began creating idols in the shape of animals they worshipped instead of God. As punishment, God gave them over to their hedonism, and men began presumably having anal sex with the women in the temples as part of their pagan worship. Paul's entire audience in Romans 1 was not gay. And in Romans 2, Paul says that anyone who condemns those people will not escape judgement, because everyone does the exact same thing. Which logically means, if Paul is condemning gays in Romans 1, he's calling everybody gay in Romans 2.

Once again, you are incorrect. Here is a link to the concordance entry for Romans 1:27. In context and with the choice of Greek that Paul used, he is clearly speaking of men that left the natural order of relations with women, and defiled themselves (context: sexually) with each other. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible...&t=KJV#conc/27

Conservative "Christians" have butchered those 2 verses beyond all recognition. Pulling them out of context, language, and original culture. All to justify their bigotry and hatred of gays.

Actually, you are the one doing that here.

[No7]

wtf since when did jews write in greek???

[mgftp]

Read the NT.

No thanks Jeff.

[lasher]

wtf since when did jews write in greek???

from about 300 BC – 300 AD

[access1denied]

wtf since when did jews write in greek???

Since before Christ. The Septuagint is the entire Hebrew Scriptures penned in Greek. Also, the target audience of Paul's letter almost always were Greek speakers. It makes sense that he would either write in Greek himself, or use multilingual scribes -- a common practice in that day for all sorts of writers.

[KiwiBro2]

No thanks Jeff.

Lol that's fine, but you just look silly if you post a thread and don't know what your talking about

[mgftp]

Lol that's fine, but you just look silly if you post a thread and don't know what your talking about

But if you are believe the Bible, new or old, I will look silly regardless of how much of it I read.

[Fiyero]

I would definitely agree that a great amount of Christians develop their beliefs on homosexuality based off what they're preached rather than doing their own studies. That's why homosexuality is a big controversy in Christianity. Homosexuality is stressed throughout the OT as a forbidden act. In the NT, there are no scriptures that directly forbid homosexuality -- but the Bible is known to address the word through apparent implications, hence the majority of the Christian community believe there's a few verses in the NT that imply homosexuality as a sin. Some think it carried on from the OT.

As a Christian, I'm unsure if homosexuality is a sin; I'm more inclined to say it's not. The scriptures don't seem very evident to be completely sure.

Well, to be clear, homosexuality is never mentioned in the Old Testament either. Only 2 verses mention same-sex behavior and 1) In Hebrew, they don't refer to what we describe as homosexuality today, 2) It's in the direct context of pagan worship rituals for the Caananite fertility gods, and 3) Lesbians are never condemned in the entire Hebrew Bible, meaning it's not condemning "homosexuality", as lesbians are homosexual too.

[Fiyero]

Most people think the Bible was written in English. Most people have poor exegesis skills.

Ladies and gentlemen, NYBrah.

He's a gay hating troll. Nothing worth wasting time on.

[Fiyero]

Romans 1
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Good job ignoring the context and cultural application of that verse. And you ignore Romans 2.

[Fiyero]

I'm sorry for being brash here, but what did you just say? Do you speak English? How the heck does Sodomy not come from Sodom and Gomorrah? Let alone, have you ever read the Bible, because it sounds like you are quoting your highschool/college professor here. Furthermore, why do you bring up the bible if you yourself dont believe; what that give you the right to judge us when you yourself follow your own wishes and wants?

The word Sodom comes from the Hebrew Cedom which means "to scorch". That word had no sexual meaning until quite late in history.

As for why Sodom was destroyed,

Ezekiel 16:49"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

And if you think Sodom had anything to do with gays, try reading Judges 19. Completely disproves that theory, but Fundie extremists never read that one.

As for me, I don't reject the Bible. I'm a Messianic Jew. I was studying the Torah in Hebrew when I was 8. I just don't blindly except the ignorance of Conservative extremists trying to use God and the Bible as justification for their bigotry.

[Fiyero]

also, sodom and the cities of the plain were not destroyed because they were merely full of homosexuals, they were destroyed because, to a man, the whole city publicy enforced and promoted it.

Oh look, someone else who knows nothing about what they're talking about. Inhospitality was why Sodom was destroyed. It was a huge offense in those cultures.

Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

[access1denied]

Fiyero, brah, why did you just pretend that my post (look up a little bit) did not exist? I hope it's not troublesome for your worldview, but yes, the New Testament condemns homosexuality. (Along with other sins, of course.)

[access1denied]

As for me, I don't reject the Bible. I'm a Messianic Jew. I was studying the Torah in Hebrew when I was 8. I just don't blindly except the ignorance of Conservative extremists trying to use God and the Bible as justification for their bigotry.

I was born Jewish and studied Hebrew from a young age as well. Try to bullchit them, but don't try and bullchit me. The Bible in Hebrew, Greek, and English condemns homosexuality -- Old Testament and New Testament alike. This is not an excuse for irrational hatred or bigotry. But it is a basis for Bible Believers to oppose homosexuality. You should step back for a moment and ask yourself, "Am I changing my self according to Scripture, or am I changing Scripture according to me?"

[anonymousceleb]

The majority of the arguments Christians (not all Lasher, calm down with your brush comments) have about gay marriage is something along of the lines "The Bible/God says so"....



So why don't these Christians man up and start really obeying the orders of the Bible?

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It's Leviticus. Your question should be why aren't Jews killing gays? If one insists on taking the Bible as a Christian instruction manual, then you have to strike the Old Testament from the equation. The notion that people are obligated to enforce God's will themselves is an Old Testament thing.

[Jenslyn17]

[mgftp]

If one insists on taking the Bible as a Christian instruction manual, then you have to strike the Old Testament from the equation.

Then ways are Christians against gay marriage?