the truth about natty lifting...

[-rEvolvEr-]

natty brah checking in.

Agree with OP.

I also think people underestimate how quickly a natty can reach his ultimate limit. If you truly dedicate yourself to it, you are gonna exhaust your potential a lot quicker than you would think.

[mukky]

BRB time lifting = 1.5-2 year(s)
BRB time cutting 1 year


BRB time spent on gaining mass 0.5-1 year








Seriously, come back when you have 6-8 years of BULKING under your belt and then b*tch....

age 20? Odd response is odd

[aleeboy]

This thread is full of delusional *******s, the ignorants and people who actually lift - be it natty or on the bike.

I am a natty lifter. Been lifting for years. I can definitely say that most pics ITT are not natty. You got to be kidding.

In B4 somebody claims it's all down to diet and genetics

[zmcdole]

This thread is full of delusional *******s, the ignorants and people who actually lift - be it natty or on the bike.

I am a natty lifter. Been lifting for years. I can definitely say that most pics ITT are not natty. You got to be kidding.

In B4 somebody claims it's all down to diet and genetics

lmao, that's pretty much it my man.

[zmcdole]

Natty?

U Srs?

yes. he's natty you mad

[Musc1eBound]

I've always wondered if you can truly reach your natty limit before your in your mid to late 30's. That seems to be when your at the peak of your muscular development. If you compare it to bodybuilders, they usually gain most of their size (even if they've been on the bike for 10+ years) when their in their 30's.

[LB63]

some people with great genetics can look pretty good natty...i am not one of them. been riding my first bike for 6 weeks with training wheels

[tential]

It's a reality check. There is nothing more annoying than people writing 'that physique is easily attainable within x amount of years natural' especially when the person saying it looks like **** or has no avi.

The worst part is, girls stupidly think that you can get to a top physique in a year. If a girl sees you working out and you've been working out for a year and you don't look like shredded they are like WTF?

[dodgybob]

yes. he's natty you mad

Not mad at all brah. Impressed.

Goal physiques right there b/w him and VZTech.

[Uninspired123]

Natty?

U Srs?

that physique is easily attainable within 5 amount of years

[dodgybob]

that physique is easily attainable within 5 amount of years

Yeah, on a bike.

[justhime]

fact is why should it make a difference?

So what if you can't accomplish some of the better physiques on here without juicing, does that mean you're going to stop working out? go back to being weak and skinny as ****?

No, you keep lifting and do the best with what you've got. You'll never be jacked like like Arnold, or as shredded as zyzz (While as full), but you''ll look better than 99% of the population and if you do it right, better than some juicers as well.

and thats all that matters

This man speaks truth!



What I started with.

[Hamzzza]

This man speaks truth!

[img]http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/03/18/12685272/progresspic/96889mg]

What I started with.

dude you had a great physique to start off with...i was 105 lbs, small and girls used to beat me at arm-wrestling, that was just 3 years ago srs

[gkicksass]

I don't come off, and yes, I plan to continue using them for the rest of my life whether it's what I run now or a slightly elevated TRT dose. Blood work dictates what dosages and compounds I run. People who haven't juiced cannot honestly answer your question. It's one thing to talk about using. It's another when you're staring at the syringe for the first time and it's a whole other ball game when you decide there is no going back and make it a natural part of your life style-as natural as taking a **** or a piss.

so much truth. i still remember standing in the bathroom staring at the needle for 20 minutes thinking "do i really really really wanna do this?" lol.

Can bicycles cause strength gains without hypertrophy? i.e. do the drugs cause additional strength or does it come from bigger muscles?

yes. strength gains are generally more noticable from more androgenic steroids(meaning the ones with greater affinity for the androgen receptor). the higher the androgenicity of the steroid, the more activity it has in your CNS. the CNS is what recruits muscle fibers and builds synapses that do so. higher androgens=greater and more powerful synapses.

halotestin, trenbolone, mibelerone(cheque drops), anavar, etc are great for strength gains and you wont necessarily gain a whole lot of mass. these also cannot be metabolized by the aromatase enzyme which means there is no conversion to esrogen and thus no increase in water weight.

i also wanna note that your naturally occurring DHT plays a part in natty strength gains but virtually none in mass gains because it is a reduced version of test(no 4-5 double bond) which means that it is rapidly metabolized by the enzyme 5-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase(very high levels of this is muscle tissue. not in neurons).

[gkicksass]

money shot how strong/much of a role do free t levels and igf-1 levels and their affinity to bind to the AR play? in this case for naturals

person a: free t levels of 10 ng/dl
person b: free t levels of 25 ng/dl
person a igf levels: 100
person b igf levels: 300
person a: androgen receptors very sensitive
person b: androgen receptors not so sensitive

surely person A will end up being bigger? but by how much?

money shot is right. you are making it a bit too complicated. however the person with more sensitive androgen receptors will have a better response. the number of ARs doesnt really matter much because all AAS increase AS count.

you have higher igf-1 when you are younger which is why as guys get older they usually start using HGH.

[NF0913]

fuk this thread, most demotivating thread i've ever subbed to on bb.com.... i'm 21 and have only been lifting for a year, seems way too soon to jump on the juice.

[Mikesullyy]

What I've accomplished in just over 2 years of lifting naturally..




I honestly think that its VERY possible to achieve an incredible physique naturally. All the whiners need to realize that there is only a certain level of mass that IS achievable naturally. However it is not just mass that makes a bodybuilder. More than anything it is an equilibrium of Mass, symmetry, leanness, and also to an extent genetics. Not everyone can achieve their idea of a perfect physique. But everyone can sure as hell build a damn better body than they have now.

[iliketojuggle]

What I've accomplished in just over 2 years of lifting naturally..

You can achieve a great physique naturally yes, and yes you have gotten good results, but you will find now that your great gains from whatever you started at are about to drastically slow down now. The difference between this 2 year progress and your 4 year progress will not be nearly as big as it was from before lifting to 2 years of lifting. Every year it will get worse and worse.

You're also under perfect lighting in those pics and probably have a pump

[Mikesullyy]

You can achieve a great physique naturally yes, and yes you have gotten good results, but you will find now that your great gains from whatever you started at are about to drastically slow down now. The difference between this 2 year progress and your 4 year progress will not be nearly as big as it was from before lifting to 2 years of lifting. Every year it will get worse and worse.

You're also under perfect lighting in those pics and probably have a pump

No pump. Taken 4 hours after workout as I do every 4 weeks. Also, I'm not worried about my gains getting worse. Not right away. I'm seeing gains much faster now than when I first started because I've only been properly following a program for 5 weeks. Before I made up my own and they were inferior to a large degree. Also I actually pay attention to my diet now. I feel that my results are faster than they were a year ago.

[iliketojuggle]

No pump. Taken 4 hours after workout as I do every 4 weeks. Also, I'm not worried about my gains getting worse. Not right away. I'm seeing gains much faster now than when I first started because I've only been properly following a program for 5 weeks. Before I made up my own and they were inferior to a large degree. Also I actually pay attention to my diet now. I feel that my results are faster than they were a year ago.

I still have a pump 4 hours after working out.. just not 100%. They do slow down though, otherwise everyone would be a huge natural after 4 or 5 years if they were dedicated. Maybe you will get lucky and get 1 more year of good gains though.

[Mikesullyy]

I still have a pump 4 hours after working out.. just not 100%. They do slow down though, otherwise everyone would be a huge natural after 4 or 5 years if they were dedicated. Maybe you will get lucky and get 1 more year of good gains though.

Generally I feel that my pump after 4 hours of working and after 12 hours are working out are pretty close to the same. I feel like if I lift every day I always retain a bit of a pump. I just entered my wrist-7, ankle - 10, and height 6'0, into a natural calculator and it says my max potential is 213 pounds, 49.6' chest, 17 'arms, 13.6' forearms, 16.7' neck, 27' quads, and 18.2' calves. Honestly if that is truly my limit I am VERY happy with that whether I reach that in 5 years or 20.

[johnnycash123]

so much truth. i still remember standing in the bathroom staring at the needle for 20 minutes thinking "do i really really really wanna do this?" lol.





yes. strength gains are generally more noticable from more androgenic steroids(meaning the ones with greater affinity for the androgen receptor). the higher the androgenicity of the steroid, the more activity it has in your CNS. the CNS is what recruits muscle fibers and builds synapses that do so. higher androgens=greater and more powerful synapses.

halotestin, trenbolone, mibelerone(cheque drops), anavar, etc are great for strength gains and you wont necessarily gain a whole lot of mass. these also cannot be metabolized by the aromatase enzyme which means there is no conversion to esrogen and thus no increase in water weight.

i also wanna note that your naturally occurring DHT plays a part in natty strength gains but virtually none in mass gains because it is a reduced version of test(no 4-5 double bond) which means that it is rapidly metabolized by the enzyme 5-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase(very high levels of this is muscle tissue. not in neurons).

Just NO, you realise they give tren to cows because it is the most effective mass building hormone created thus far.

[Foze]

I'd be happy with 190-200lbs below 10% natty.

[Mikesullyy]

Also. To all the people that think you can't get big natty or atleast DECENTLY big what about Clarence Ross? John Grimek? Those guys were pretty damn big considering they competed 50,60,70 years ago in the PRESTEROID era.

[AleFCP]

Well it looks like it's time to hit the juice not gonna wait 5 to 10 years for a physique I can get in 1 or 2

[milkman04]

this guy begs to differ.
claims natty, claims to have proof of natty.
is shredded and phucking hooge.

discuss?

[Money Shot]

Natty?

U Srs?

Is there a relaxed pic of him where he isn't holding a pull up bar?

I honestly think that its VERY possible to achieve an incredible physique naturally. All the whiners need to realize that there is only a certain level of mass that IS achievable naturally. However it is not just mass that makes a bodybuilder. More than anything it is an equilibrium of Mass, symmetry, leanness, and also to an extent genetics. Not everyone can achieve their idea of a perfect physique. But everyone can sure as hell build a damn better body than they have now.

I agree with this. "Incredible" is a realtive term, but you are right about what you say

Also. To all the people that think you can't get big natty or atleast DECENTLY big what about Clarence Ross? John Grimek? Those guys were pretty damn big considering they competed 50,60,70 years ago in the PRESTEROID era.

What year exactly were these pictures taken? I'm very skeptical

[Mikesullyy]

What year exactly were these pictures taken? I'm very skeptical

The picture of John Grimek (Right) was somewhere between 1939-1949, and the picture of Clarence Ross was between 1940-1950.
Another pic of Ross's Epic physique. He was called the "King of bodybuilders'

[kebabdelight]

The picture of John Grimek (Right) was somewhere between 1939-1949, and the picture of Clarence Ross was between 1940-1950.
Another pic of Ross's Epic physique. He was called the "King of bodybuilders'

these guys were probably like the only ones on earth with a body like that at that time lol

[Prerequisite]

Interesting thread.