how big can you get WITHOUT steroids?

[caj]

He's def not the biggest, but Brian Whitacre shows how ripped and conditioned you can get naturally.

http://www.brianwhitacre.net/2008%20Photo%20Shoot.html
http://www.brianwhitacre.net/2007%20Photo%20Shoot.html
http://www.brianwhitacre.net/2009%20Photo%20Shoot.html

[murthoj]

of any sort? will someone who doesnt juice post a picture so I can see like where the limit actually is?

you will find your answer on the biggest loser.

[Anonymous000]

of any sort? will someone who doesnt juice post a picture so I can see like where the limit actually is?

Not sure but I did gain 0.5" on my forearms without that much work since July2010 .



I have been extremely lucky not to lose any mass when cutting the fat.


because I have been working my ass off

[al-faz]

This is Eugene Sandow (1850 - 1925)


Pretty sure there were no drugs for body building back then.

i dont see your point.

[Diesel600]

Im natural.. Creatine/pre-workout drink/tribulus/weightgainer 2x a day.. seems like theres no limit but gains come slowly...

[NextProtege]

Im natural.. Creatine/pre-workout drink/tribulus/weightgainer 2x a day.. seems like theres no limit but gains come slowly...

You're twenty, judging by this pic you're doing great and are far beyond what most people will ever get to at any age, in other words thumbs up to your gains.

[EGSafi]

Reps for one of the best quotes of all time.

you can get that quote on a BB t-shirt

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bb.../obsessed.html

[hamworld05]

I never worry about how big I can get without steroids. I worry about how explosive I can get without steroids.

[safi connection]

all depends on what bf% you are talking about. it is a lot easier for you to build muscle naturally if you have a high bf%, once you start trying to cut down is when it all melts away. i'm sure you could get like 200 pounds lbm naturally but you are not gonna be sitting at 10% holding it..

Do you know any Samoans?

Note: They don't have steroids in the islands. Just a lot of hard labor and good food.

perfect example, samoans are fat asses. they are all like 30%+. if you put one on a hardcore cutting diet they would shrink down to some skinny fat lookin guy

[live1]

from my height at 5ft11 and my wrist and ankle stats my max potential natty is only 163lbs thats a skinny runt at 8 % fat im 195lbs at 14% at the mo that calculation is bs

i wanna be 200lbs 8% natty f*k 163lbs thats tiny ha ha

[MacDaddy68]

"Your estimated maximum muscular bodyweight at ~13% bodyfat is: 221.5 lbs"

According to this I've hit my peak

"Chest: 49.6 in
Biceps: 17.8 in
Forearms: 14.2 in
Neck: 17.3 in
Thighs: 26.3 in
Calves: 17.7 in"

Biceps, thighs are right bang on atm. The remainder isn't far off. lol

we have almost the same predicted stats.

Your estimated maximum bulked bodyweight at ~12% bodyfat is: 230.8 lbs

Your estimated maximum muscular measurements (@ ~8%-10% bodyfat) are:

Chest: 49.2 in Biceps: 18 in
Forearms: 14.4 in Neck: 17.6 in
Thighs: 25.7 in Calves: 17.2 in

[live1]

my bad did it again my estamated natty weight at 10% is 207lbs lol sweet

[clive]

We all have more potential than we think in getting bigger naturally, it just takes time!
I was quite a skinny guy before I stared weight training and I’ve managed to put on quite a bit of muscle but it’s taken me 10 years to get there, a lot of guys are impatient.

[sleeeeeeeeeep]

Measurements w/ 10% body fat. (A=ankle measure, W=wrist measure, H=height)
Measure wrist at its smallest point about the little knob bone thing. Anlkles should be the smallest point about the joint. Height should be pretty self explainatory dont include your hair i guess lol.

chest = 1.625W + 1.3682A + 0.3562H
biceps = 1.1709W + 0.1350H
forearms = 0.950W + 0.1041H
neck = 1.1875W + 0.1301H
thighs = 1.4737A + 0.1918H
calves = 0.9812A + 0.1250H

Measurement Procedure:
chest - measured relaxed (not flexed or expanded), arms at sides, tape under armpits
biceps - flexed, at largest point
forearms - fist clenched, hand out straight, measured at largest point
neck - below Adam's apple at smallest point
thighs - standing relaxed, midway between hip and knee
calves - standing relaxed, at largest point

This should be the largest your bones structure allows w/o roids, I would post the link to where I found this but I am not aloud due to low post count.

Also a this is a height to weight chart for a classic bodybuilding physique. Found it in an article by David Robson

5'5" 160lbs
5'6" 165lbs
5'7" 170lbs
5'8" 175lbs
5'9" 180lbs
5'10" 185lbs
5'11" 190lbs
6'0" 200lbs
6'1" 210lbs
6'2" 220lbs
6'3" 230lbs
6'4" 240lbs
6'5" 250lbs

[nieshengsheng]

What is really

[Iceman510]

of any sort? will someone who doesnt juice post a picture so I can see like where the limit actually is?

the worlds biggest person was 1200 lbs and he wasn't on steroids.

[Milone79]

You're twenty, judging by this pic you're doing great and are far beyond what most people will ever get to at any age, in other words thumbs up to your gains.

Look good bro..reps.

[Diesel600]

thanks a lot man, you too!... I have a crazy passion for lifting.. i look foward to the gym every day.. I think thats the only way to get big naturally.. it CANT be something seen as a chore or something you dont want to do! you have to love it and lift till you can bearly breathe... (and who cares if you grunt or look crazy... i look like a crazy person in there lol)

[gkicksass]

^what that guy said x2

juice is illegal in my state in OZ, infact all states now I think. I was prescribed juice after a major motorbike accident which made me disabled, it worked for me.. If I could get it again, I would be on it no worries.

there are some draw backs however, you have to know what you are doing and I learned from the lewisham sports clinic in sydney. juice has hepatoxic effects, it can damage your liver big time, you need regular blood tests(one high reading and you hhave to stop immediently) and if the whites of your eyes turn yellow, well the damage has started big time. then there is the old time favourite anapolin, been around as long as arnold. "your nuts shrink" to the size of peas and never fully recover.

then there is "bitch tits" wrong drug for you and cycled/stacked wrong. your bones grow and can become deformed, like your forehead can grow, your elbows poke out more like spikes, and that is just what is happening on the outside. maybe u r thinking Deca is safe? no, you can not get an erection after a few cycles, and it has to be stacked with testosterone atleast. stacking is the problem as well, too much strain on the organs and internals, like an enlarged heart and that is not cool, because if you ever stop working out when you get old, your heart muscle starts to deteriorate, it only uses a small part of the enlarged heart to cater for everyday needs so it is lifeless and dies off! that is just a snapshot of what can happen if you are not on a medical program with a proffessor who knows his sh*t.

if you are young and the governemnt is not catering for you as an elite athlete, don't experiment with "the juice" leave it alone, you can ruin your body and life forever. I reckon some guys here get it from the gangsters, but there are so many problems, out of date, from a 3rd world country and fake, just poison. you also have to learn to inject yourself intramuscular, and that is an art. if you go in and retract to check for blood, seems ok, but you move a little in the process and inject a vein, lights out brother, your brain will fry and you could easily die very quickly. like I said a snapshot, if I hhad not been trained and understand all of this I would stay away from "the juice", unfortunately I have knowledge and if I could afford to stay in a country where it was legal for a year, I just might. you cant learn this from amateurs, it has to be a facillity and propper doctors or the chances of ruining your life are enourmous.

you could also end up a freak like these dudes (absolute garbage) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oqfWhdzAPY and there is another clip showing a guy who died using this stuff. oh! here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2945kGwYY

you only see what you imagine will make you famous, but look at the failures and consequences. so as a previously trained body builder using roids for rehab after a near death accident, yes I am trained and know it all, would I teach someone else "never", i will never share just discourage, even an expert can die from this stuff and dieing can be an easy out of a life destroyed by steriod abuse. impatience kills.

so if you were thinking about it, dont !! do it clean and use supps, they work well if you use them right. I imagined you had a thought to experiment, I hope I discouraged you!!

it can get out of hand, would you ever want to look like this and wait till the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBBWMRRWOrM&NR=1 it can get worse!

He thought he looked great.omg. looks pretty awful to me.!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_i2xSc8CM&NR=1

lmao

uh dude idk if you are trolling or if youre really that stupid. first off valentino was on synthol. synthol works nothing like any juice except esiclene and even that just causes some swelling and very temporary increase in muscle size whereas synthol effects stay with you for years. as far as steroids being heptatoxic, its only harsh orals and 17aa's that cause significant liver damage and even that can be avoided by using short cycles and herbal remedies. second, everything in the second video was fake. Yes roids shink your balls and most mess up HPTA function but it can all be brought back bigger and better by having a good pct. there is also no direct correlation btwn steroid use (note i said use and not abuse) and any sort of heart problems. Bitch tits, or gynecomastia occurs when you are using test based without a SERM or an AI so it converts to estrogen. it can also occur with some other types of AAS but it can all be avoided with the use of proper ancilliaries. and you can learn to make proper spot injections on your own without much difficulty if you are halfway intelligent. if however you are under 25(and some will say under 30), there is no reason or excuse of any kind for you to be juicing. if you cant grow without steroids, there is no way in hell you are going to grow on them or keep your gains once you are done.
to answer you question op, you can get pretty big w/o juice using only proper diet and a lot of work. but steroids are not as bad as some people make them sound. however its some of the people who sell steroids that you really gotta watch out for.

We all have more potential than we think in getting bigger naturally, it just takes time!
I was quite a skinny guy before I stared weight training and I’ve managed to put on quite a bit of muscle but it’s taken me 10 years to get there, a lot of guys are impatient.

sup clive? any chance youre gonna stop by the misc vs swamp boys thread?

[JACKSonvIllEr]

http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html

^^^This link is the actual calculator that I think you are referring to.

this said my neck can only get to 16.8 inches. but its 19 inches right now

[Saxihim]

[QUOTE=ARod44;461238261]here is Doug Miller who is supposedly natural

Thats totally natural. He looks sickly lean. I hate this look. I've made it a goal of mine to find a way to get nice round muscle bellies without juice.

[StMattLaw]

depends on alota factors..

[zakc]

i wonder if its possible for me to get to 200lbs @ 5' 4 without gear. yes me manlet =)

lol nope

[Kratistos]

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so far.

[Gladitat0r]

i be happy if i hit 80kg on 9/10%

[zakc]

We all have more potential than we think in getting bigger naturally, it just takes time!
I was quite a skinny guy before I stared weight training and I’ve managed to put on quite a bit of muscle but it’s taken me 10 years to get there, a lot of guys are impatient.

that took 10 years?

[Ehudd]

In after clive

[spiny]

Do you want to be huge and unhealthy or big and healthy?

[TigerBulk]

of any sort? will someone who doesnt juice post a picture so I can see like where the limit actually is?

Believe it or not. I believe the amount of LBM that your body will support without AAS is pretty well defined by FFMI. The equation does not apply to those with high bf% (12% or less)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat-free_mass_index

For Men:

18 = slender, little muscle
20 = slender, normal muscle
22 = very muscular
25 = highest limit without the use of anabolic steroids

No pics though.

Enjoy.

[Dead Cell]

What's the definition of natural?