***Official A-League Fantasy Baseball Keeper Thread***

[Max~Power]

I like the 2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b rule better. With the time rule, in 2 years (or whatever time we use) all of our teams will be different. I would like the freedom of keeping players as long as I want.

That's not out of the question, just an idea. But you like the 2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b rule? Good, seems like it would even it self out imo

edit: 5 star thread

[Jyeatbvg]

Agree. Since no one want to draft prospects, we should allow 1 or 2 keepers that we picked up from the free agent pool, in addition to the 5 we keep from the actual draft. (since were gonna be picking up the prospects once they are added to the system.

So 1 keeper first few rounds, 2 6-10, 2 11-end of draft, 1-2 free agent or waiver wire keepers.

Or 2 hitters, 2 pitchers, and 1 h/b (no matter what round) and 2 FA pickups as keepers. In that case, those who follow prospects can pick up and keep their prospects and those who don't follow prospects can pickup normal FA and keep them.

[Pro_Shark]

I'm fine with the rounds idea. I'd prefer that we have the choice of what positions we want to keep though, and for as long as we want. I don't want to be forced to keep so many pitchers if I feel my batting is worth more, I can get better results with pitching in the next draft anyway.

[bbacn123]

Agree. Since no one want to draft prospects, we should allow 1 or 2 keepers that we picked up from the free agent pool, in addition to the 5 we keep from the actual draft. (since were gonna be picking up the prospects once they are added to the system.

So 1 keeper first few rounds, 2 6-10, 2 11-end of draft, 1-2 free agent or waiver wire keepers.

That's not really what I meant.

What I mean is I think we should have to have some keepers of mid-level players as well as high-level players.

If everyone is just keeping the first 5 players they draft from this years draft (which is likely what will happen, or at least very close to the first 5 picks) then it just becomes sh*tty.

It's a lot more fun when you're forced to pick between players who are on the same playing level and lose the others you don't pick.

Say you have Wright and Utley on your team, the Keeper aspect becomes more important if you can only have one of them and are forced to return the other to the pool of players. But if you're trying to decide between David Wright and Yunel Escobar I think the result is pretty clear. The keeper decision becomes way too easy if you're not having to discard players who are more or less on the same playing level as each other than if you're allowed to just discard all of the mid-level playing guys.


If you're allowed to keep all of your good players though then the 2nd year draft almost becomes irrelevant. Who exactly are you even gonna be drafting at that point that could have a real impact for you? Might as well just make the keeper league a 1 time draft and you keep you're whole team.

[bbacn123]

Basically, I don't think the keeper decision should be as unambiguous as taking the best off your team.

If you do it by rounds the ambiguity of having to choose between which top level player is most important for your team is heightened, same for which mid-level guy you need the most, etc.


The keeper option is too cut and dry if you can just take the best 5. You need to be able to make mistakes when you're making your picks for the coming year.

[Jyeatbvg]

That's not really what I meant.

What I mean is I think we should have to have some keepers of mid-level players as well as high-level players.

If everyone is just keeping the first 5 players they draft from this years draft (which is likely what will happen, or at least very close to the first 5 picks) then it just becomes sh*tty.

It's a lot more fun when you're forced to pick between players who are on the same playing level and lose the others you don't pick.

Say you have Wright and Utley on your team, the Keeper aspect becomes more important if you can only have one of them and are forced to return the other to the pool of players. But if you're trying to decide between David Wright and Yunel Escobar I think the result is pretty clear. The keeper decision becomes way too easy if you're not having to discard players who are more or less on the same playing level as each other than if you're allowed to just discard all of the mid-level playing guys.


If you're allowed to keep all of your good players though then the 2nd year draft almost becomes irrelevant. Who exactly are you even gonna be drafting at that point that could have a real impact for you? Might as well just make the keeper league a 1 time draft and you keep you're whole team.

Yes, but what if you draft a guy in the later rounds that has a breakout year? That's likely to happen to most of us. You're assuming that every player is going to play by the rankings. If that was the case then sure I know what you're trying to say but just because we have the opportunity to keep any player we want it doesn't mean we will (keep the top 5 players drafted).

IMO in a keeper league there should be an emphasis on building and improving your team each year around the guys you already have. That's just my opinion though.

[bbacn123]

Yes, but what if you draft a guy in the later rounds that has a breakout year? That's likely to happen to most of us. You're assuming that every player is going to play by the rankings. If that was the case then sure I know what you're trying to say but just because we have the opportunity to keep any player we want it doesn't mean we will (keep the top 5 players drafted).

IMO in a keeper league there should be an emphasis on building and improving your team each year around the guys you already have. That's just my opinion though.

There's little room for improvement when everyone has no problem picking out their 5 best players. Your teams talent becomes more set in stone that way. If you want building and improving, the rounds idea works much better.

And there's few breakout players (really none) in rounds 10+ who are going to have such a impact year to make you drop off one your players from the first 5 rounds or so.

[Jyeatbvg]

There's little room for improvement when everyone has no problem picking out their 5 best players. Your teams talent becomes more set in stone that way. If you want building and improving, the rounds idea works much better.

And there's few breakout players (really none) in rounds 10+ who are going to have such a impact year to make you drop off one your players from the first 5 rounds or so.

I agree that there won't be any keepers in the later rounds but in round 5-8 there will be a lot of guys that have great seasons. Assuming each team is around 15 players big, 5 players shouldn't make a huge difference. It will pretty much a lock that most managers will keep the players in the first three or so rounds, but after that it's pretty close.

Or we can integrate both sides of the plain and say everyone gets 2 keepers from the first 4 rounds, 2 keepers from the next 4 rounds and 1 keeper from the remaining rounds? (and position doesn't matter). I think what's bothering me the most is the idea of being able to keep only 1 guy from the first few rounds. That way teams will be so different each year.

[bbacn123]

Or we can integrate both sides of the plain and say everyone gets 2 keepers from the first 4 rounds, 2 keepers from the next 4 rounds and 1 keeper from the remaining rounds? (and position doesn't matter). I think what's bothering me the most is the idea of being able to keep only 1 guy from the first few rounds. That way teams will be so different each year.

This is basically the rounds idea you've just altered how many we get in each section. Im just fine with it like this.

I just don't want the keeper part of all this to be so easy. I think it should be more of a challenge to figure out which players to keep.

This example would work for me because you're still making a tougher decision on who of the first 4 rounds you need the most. And I like that.

[TexasHeat]

I would agree to up the players kept in the first 4-5 rounds being 2 instead of 1.

2 players rounds 4-5

2 players from 6-10

and then 1-3 players from rest of the draft OR a waiver wire pick up.

[TexasHeat]

Yahoo has free live scoring this year, awesome.

[Chill Will 33]

hey all, as far as keepers go i think it should be:

5 total

(first year rule only) - 2 keepers must be from round 1-5 in this years draft, other 3 are up to you. I think this will help reward people that draft well early rather then guys that get players just off the wavier wire.

after the first year you just keep any 5 on your team that you want.

[Nodice123]

Just to put my opinion on record. I would prefer to keep ANY 4-5 players we want but I will go with the majority.

[Max~Power]

Lets put down 3 official options on keeper status, then vote....

Keep any 5 - Votes

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 1 (Max~Power)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 1 - Votes

ect.

THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL, JUST A TEMPLATE IDEA TO SETTLE KEEPERS

[bbacn123]

Keep any 5 - Votes

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 1 (Max~Power)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 1 (bbacn123)

[Exist 2 Inspire]

Keep any 5 - Votes

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 1 (bbacn123)

[Max~Power]

THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL, JUST A TEMPLATE IDEA TO SETTLE KEEPERS

Also, this will gives us a feeling on what everone wants.. and we can tweek it more

[KingCanuck]

Hmmm... I am undecided I'd be okay with any of those three options to be honest.

[Chill Will 33]

Keep any 5 - Votes

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33)

[Pro_Shark]

Keep any 5 - Votes 1 (Pro_Shark)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33)

[Jyeatbvg]

Keep any 5 - Votes 1 (Pro_Shark)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire, Jyeatbvg)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33)

[Nodice123]

Keep any 5 - Votes 1 (Pro_Shark) (Nodice123)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire, Jyeatbvg)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33

[Max~Power]

Keep any 5 - Votes 2 (Pro_Shark) (Nodice123)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 3 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire, Jyeatbvg)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33

So far 8 people have spoken, and it's split, lol

[bbacn123]

So far 8 people have spoken, and it's split, lol

9 actually have. KC said he was undecided. So 5 people left. There's 4 left in here, and Jigsaw would be the 5th.

waiting on votes from:

saaltydog
NYY
jkeithc82
89FoxBody

[NYY]

Keep any 5 - Votes 1 (Pro_Shark) (Nodice123) (NYY)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 2 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire, Jyeatbvg)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 3 (bbacn123, Texas Heat, Chill Will 33

[TexasHeat]

Keep any 5 - Votes 3 (Pro_Shark) (Nodice123) (NYY)

Keep 6 : Must be split (2 hitter, 2 pitcher, 1 h/b then 1 FA keeper) - Votes 4 (Max~Power, Exist 2 Inspire, Jyeatbvg, Texas Heat)

Keep 5: 2 from rounds 1-4, 2 from rounds 5-10, 1 from 10+ - Votes 2 (bbacn123, , Chill Will 33)

[bbacn123]

^^^

Strong vote change

[Max~Power]

^^^

Strong vote change

The tables have turned!

[TexasHeat]

^^^

Strong vote change

I don't want option A, so doing what I can to void it at all costs. Plus Option B allows me to keep a prospect if I want too and still 5 major league keepers.

[bbacn123]

The tables have turned!

We're not done yet. 5 votes left to be decided.