i just learned today form a local health shop about PDEs which i never heard about it before since my body cant except whey or WPI he suggested that this my help me to reduce my gas and diarrhea just wondering if any one here have used this stuff .
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Thread: protein digestive enzymes
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04-01-2007, 11:31 PM #1
protein digestive enzymes
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04-03-2007, 02:06 AM #2
Enzymes like Proteases can help the breakdown and digestion and absorbption of protiens especially when supplementing in large amount, as some people do get digestive uncomfortabilities, If you personally are having a problem digesting, it could always be worth a look, there are also some diet books you might find interesting on enzyme nutrition, as foods such as Papaya and Pineapple contain Papin and Bromalean which are enzymes that help digest protein, lots of people feel its beneficial to eat foods like these with certain meals too to aid digestion.
(unofortunatly i cant think of any books off top of my head - just search for enzyme nutrition or similar)
hope that helps a little
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04-03-2007, 11:18 AM #3
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04-03-2007, 07:43 PM #4
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04-03-2007, 08:22 PM #5
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04-03-2007, 08:44 PM #6
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04-04-2007, 02:56 AM #7
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04-04-2007, 03:45 AM #8
first of all, you most probably may have a lactose intolerance. this means that you will need to strictly look for whey protein isolates (WPI) and to avoid whey concentrates (WPC). this alone should suficiently help you.
if you also have a problem with protein digestion per se, you should simply take whey in smaller doses. e.g. start with ONE teaspoon (appr. 5 g) of whey, mix it in water and drink it. do it 3-4 times per day for at least 3 days. If everything goes fine, then incease the dose to 3 x 7.5g/d for a few days, then to 3 x 10 g/d etc. by that you can assess your protein-digestion limits.
probiotics are also very beneficial!
The inclusion of digestive enzymes in popular proteins powders (e.g. ON 100%) is crap and a waste of money because stomach acid will destroy the very ost part of the inculded enzymes. If you are serious about supplementing digestive enzymes, then you need a product that delivers enetric coating in order to protect the enzymes from stomach acid.
IN the case you also have low levels of stomach juice / stomach acid, you could also supplement with Betain and / or Pepsin.
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04-04-2007, 04:01 AM #9
enzymes that don't get degraded
Dr. P, if what you're saying is true, doesn't this make the more popular enzyme products out there like NOW super enzymes and MRM's digest all useless?
Do enzyme products WITHOUT enteric coating render them not useful?
What about products like papain/bromelain that may come in the normal tablet forms.. no good too?
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04-04-2007, 04:53 AM #10
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04-04-2007, 05:06 AM #11
in the stomach you have a very acidic pH (pH of around 1-2). since most proteins get denaturated in such acidic environments, and enzymes = proteins, it is not too far away to assume that most of the enzymes will get denturated. denaturation means a significant alteration of the structure / folding of the protein. denaturation usually results in a loss of functionality.
so, yes, it doesn'T matter how "popular" one brand is. (popularity does not protect from uselessness). If the ph-sensitive enzymes are not protected by enteric coating, they will get denaturated. pharmaceutical drugs for people with pancreatic insufficiency (enzyme drugs) are all enterically coated and liberate the enzymes only when a specific ph has been reached (e.g. in the duodenum).
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04-04-2007, 05:11 AM #12
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04-04-2007, 05:25 AM #13
it depends on your specific needs:
if you have problems with stomach juice (pH is too high or your stomach cannot produce enough acids) then you need pepsin / betain
if you are lactose-intolerant, then you need lactase, and only lactase. any further addition would be pure waste of money.
if you have insufficient excretion of pancreatic enzymes then supplement those (pancreatin). papain / bromelain are an alternative but IMHO they are not sufficient.
with exception of pepsin, all other enzymes need enteric coating.
If you want to be sure to get something that is worth its money then go to your local pharmacy and ask for an appropriate product.
normally, healthy people (with exception of lactase in those with lacotse intolerance, which occurs quite often) do not need to supplement digestive enzymes. only people with chronic gastritis or pancreatic insufficiency may take pancreatic enzymes.
If you have problems with digestion, then try to optimise / adapt your diet (smaller meals) and take a good probiotic. try to find out which special foods / ingredeints possibly cause problems and try to leave them out.
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04-04-2007, 05:39 AM #14
here's why i started supplementing with digestive enzymes
I didn't think they were necessary initially too but these posts here by TROUBLE set me thinking.. http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/sh...=super+enzymes
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04-19-2010, 06:51 AM #22
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I dont, I read about it, ill try to find the information I saw. Anyhow its supposed to help support digestion and fatty acid breakdown of foods.
EDIT I cant find it... I know I read about it on an obscure board. Im just trying to put together a supplement plan to help with digestion, gas, and getting the most out of the food im eating.
I have noticed that when im taking probiotic and digestive enzymes my gas and bloating goes down a lot so I feel like SOMETHING hasd to be working.
I just want to see what my options are. It seems like the best things are:
Betaine, papain, bromelain, probiotic acidophilus, ALA, hydroxycitric Acid, and a protease/amylase/lipase enzymeLast edited by iForce Dave; 04-19-2010 at 06:57 AM.
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04-19-2010, 06:58 AM #23
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