Joe Rogan is slaming Schaub live right now

[Boffothe]

Who is Rogan to tell any man or woman to give up on their dream?

a guy concerned about his friend's health?

[chiefnz]

Joe Rogen always did give off hints of dickishness, but damn.

Guess that's one reason why I've been listening to his podcasts less and less as time goes by, I used to listen to it every single day.

I am in this camp.

Joe is a guy who views a conversation as a battle that he has to dominate, often when someone is making a point he doesnt like he makes a dumb ass joke and belittles them and their normally valid point to get around the fact he is wrong.

Listen to the recent podcast with Bill Burr, Bill runs circles around him verbally just being Bill and you can tell Joe knows this and is trying to get his "winning" shots in. I like Joes open mindset but he doesnt follow his "dont be a dick" mantra that he bandies around very well.

[randomguy2323]

Anybody who has ever, at any time, been punched in the head hard should be considered knowledgeable enough to know that the sport isn't good for brain health/general longevity.

exactly. that's my point. people go into it knowing it could fk their health up. there's tons of jobs people do everyday where they risk their lives, cops, firefighters, etc etc. do cops retire at age 30-35 when their reflexes start to slow down, and reaction times? fk no. theres old as fk cops out there, with glasses, slow as sht, etc. that makes them way more likely to react too slowly and not think as quickly, as their brain starts to slow down. firefighters die or get burned all the time. fishermen die. people act construction jobs fall off high places, pull their back out, work on terrible knees and fight through arthritis as well as many other pains. people work in mines where they get numerous cancers and slowly die and degrade their health, day by day. and they keep working, and no one really gives a ****.

im sick of this in the ufc where they're acting like they care about the fighters, or in boxing too. in the nfl and in fighting, as well as regular joe schmoe jobs everyday - people will take drugs, break the fk out of their body, wreck their mind to make it through. truckers take drugs, construction guys take drugs(meaning specifically for work). bodybuilders and strongman die very young, very often, pushing their body to the limits. taking too many drugs, etc.

I like how no one is addressing my posts regarding this, although they did address my other posts.

people make sacrifices to live their dreams, everyday. like others have said, arlovski "should have retired" years ago. but he made a great comeback, and although he wont be champ, he's doing great. he is still having success here and there that is making him happy and fulfilling his life. a lot of old people commit suicide, and live horrible lives due to cancer and **** anyways. maybe these guys don't care about their 50s or 70s, etc.

schaub shouldn't stop fighting, IF it's what he loves and is what he really cares about. IF fighting is just a hobby type thing for him, or another job to get paid, then maybe he should retire and think about his later years. but if it's his one true passion, no one should stand in his way or try to push him out.

cops and soldiers and firemen and a million other workers risk their lives everyday. fighting nowadays is called a "sport" and it's really getting pussified to the highest level. but for lots of these guys, they care about it as much or often times more than the soldier cares about what he's doing, risking his life in the military. and it's really annoying that people try to put it on the level of golf of something much more passive and soft. it isn't golf. it's not a sport for rich people who want to sit down and drink tea and look good in their polos. fighting to most true fighters is about life, surviving, proving yourself. challenging yourself. breaking other men. conquering and destruction. power. respect. honor. and the highest accolades possible, to some people. worth risking everything for. and it should be treated as such. it once was, back in the day.

[TheJizzler]

A little harsh, but Schaub is a phucking moron who needs a jolt. Honestly, that whole podcast sounded like a frustrated parent telling their idiot diabetic kid that they *really* have to stop eating jam


Anyone who loses to Roy Nelson should know that they aren't ever going to be top-tier. Once that happens, either be happy crushing cans or retire. Lol @ Schaub believing he could hang with Cain/JDS



Heavyweight used to be the division where guys could have chit technique but get to the top based on raw size & power. Now the talent pool has increased, that isn't an option. Schaub was lucky to get this far - always seemed like the sort of fighter who was in it for fame and $$$ anyway.







Further lol @ the thin skins on display ITT. You're (mostly) grown men... if one of your good friends tears into you about something you've been doing wrong, put your ego aside and phucking listen to them. Think about it. If it's warranted, thank them for being a good friend. Don't get all pissy and respond with ad-hom attacks & excuses.

[HCN91]

[skinnytobulk]

"Loss 10–6 Joe Rogan KO (verbal) JRE December 8, 2014 1 0:01 JRE Podcast, it was on Brendan's podcast, idiot, United States"

lmfao on wiki

[HCN91]

powerful joe rogan

[RoccoTanno123]

A little harsh, but Schaub is a phucking moron who needs a jolt. Honestly, that whole podcast sounded like a frustrated parent telling their idiot diabetic kid that they *really* have to stop eating jam


Anyone who loses to Roy Nelson should know that they aren't ever going to be top-tier. Once that happens, either be happy crushing cans or retire. Lol @ Schaub believing he could hang with Cain/JDS

almost anybody who is a fighter is going to believe that they can win and beat anybody. that being said, schaub has to be all kinds of delusional to think he could beat jds. Cain I can understand because we've seen him rocked multiple times and finished off of a big shot. JDS? I can't imagine Schaub out-cardio-ing, outboxing, or outgrappling JDS, he's a real rough style matchup for him.

If Overeem somehow loses vs. Struve, we might see that fight next.

[441Forty]

I don't neccessarily disagree with Joe, but that is the point in him telling this to Schaub?

One could take Joe's logic and apply it to just about anyone on the UFC roster who isn't a current/former champion or serious contender

[scooterbrah]

Done.

lmfao

someone post a video, I missed it

oohhh chit just checked wikipedia hahahahaha

[TheJizzler]

I don't neccessarily disagree with Joe, but that is the point in him telling this to Schaub?

One could take Joe's logic and apply it to just about anyone on the UFC roster who isn't a current/former champion or serious contender

True... but there's being a gatekeeper hovering around the middle of the division, maybe getting a long run together, and there's being Schaub and actively seeking out heavy-hitting top 10 fighters that are coming off a loss


Long term damage is a valid concern for all fighters though. Lots of stand-n-bang guys are going to have a shock when they leave the sport and find that there aren't many options for an aging punch-drunk guy with a losing record and a 5-10 year employment gap on his resume.

[DATNEWNEWNEW]

"Joe Rogan is just being real"

yeah about as real as his smile.

[cheerupemokid]

I don't neccessarily disagree with Joe, but that is the point in him telling this to Schaub?

One could take Joe's logic and apply it to just about anyone on the UFC roster who isn't a current/former champion or serious contender

I just listened to the podcast, it turns out it was the fighter and the Kid podcast and not the JRE podcast. And if you listen to the entire thing, I don't think it's as bad as some of the commentary posted here made it out to be, first of all. And secondly, he specifically says on the podcast that his comments weren't just about Schaub and that while he loves MMA the more he learns about traumatic brain injury the more he struggles with whether he should even be commentating on the fights anymore.


Here's the link to the fighter and the kid podcast (Schaub and Bryan Callen's podcast)
http://podbay.fm/show/706421907

[DATNEWNEWNEW]

I just listened to the podcast, it turns out it was the fighter and the Kid podcast and not the JRE podcast. And if you listen to the entire thing, I don't think it's as bad as some of the commentary posted here made it out to be, first of all. And secondly, he specifically says on the podcast that his comments weren't just about Schaub and that while he loves MMA the more he learns about traumatic brain injury the more he struggles with whether he should even be commentating on the fights anymore.


Here's the link to the fighter and the kid podcast (Schaub and Bryan Callen's podcast)
http://podbay.fm/show/706421907

Translation: I'm finally making enough money off of my podcast now that I no longer feel the need to do commentary.

[scooterbrah]

Translation: I'm finally making enough money off of dumb paggots that are buying my over-priced placebo vitamins and buttered coffee that I no longer feel the need to do commentary

fixed that for you brah

[TheJizzler]

<long azz sentimentalist rant>

it once was, back in the day.

I'll bite

Firstly, people in dead end/risky jobs do them because they either lack options or dont understand the risks. Ain't no-one working fast-food because they love it


Secondly, construction workers, policemen and miners all get paid and go home. They don't have to pay to maintain their career. No gym fees, they don't have to keep a corner man, a striking coach and a grappling coach on retainer, they don't have to travel 100(0)s of miles for a one-night job, they don't have an expensive supplement and diet plan to maintain, they don't have to study auxiliary physical (injurious) disciplines outside of their day job just to stay 'rounded', they don't have to write 'Dynamic Fastner' on their azz just to afford breakfast


The smart min-wage workers use all their free time and money, especially in their 20s, to invest in themselves and get the phuck out of the dead-end, body-ruining grind. Go back to school, secure a management position... whatever. It's not an all-or-nothing shot at glory.



Fighters, on the other hand, are in that predicament. If they go hard but don't make it to a good level, they leave the sport with nothing. No savings, no investments, no assets... all eaten up in training costs and medical bills. Everything they've earned has been 'invested' into a body that is now broken



... and who picks up the tab for all the mess caused by some dude stubbornly 'pursuing his passion' when he just wasn't cut out for it? The crippled, brain-damaged fighter who can't count back from 20, who has no skills outside of fighting, who can't even hold down a job anymore? No, it's his family. Right when he should be providing for them, he's being a burden instead. (Assuming he doesn't just wind up homeless/killing himself due to depression)

[Von Brawn]

I, for one, can only hope Brendan Schab stops stinking up cards. He's a much better personality than fighrer anyway

[DATNEWNEWNEW]

fixed that for you brah

lmfao I was gonna add that, but decided to save that ensuing argument for another time.

I can't believe people are actually buying that stupid chit.

Joe Rogan's ego is causing him to overstep.

If he quits the UFC I guarantee he'll start to slowly fall off completely.

[olbigfish]

I'll bite
... Truth

Would buy you a pint/10

[DATNEWNEWNEW]

I'll bite

Firstly, people in dead end/risky jobs do them because they either lack options or dont understand the risks. Ain't no-one working fast-food because they love it


Secondly, construction workers, policemen and miners all get paid and go home. They don't have to pay to maintain their career. No gym fees, they don't have to keep a corner man, a striking coach and a grappling coach on retainer, they don't have to travel 100(0)s of miles for a one-night job, they don't have an expensive supplement and diet plan to maintain, they don't have to study auxiliary physical (injurious) disciplines outside of their day job just to stay 'rounded', they don't have to write 'Dynamic Fastner' on their azz just to afford breakfast


The smart min-wage workers use all their free time and money, especially in their 20s, to invest in themselves and get the phuck out of the dead-end, body-ruining grind. Go back to school, secure a management position... whatever. It's not an all-or-nothing shot at glory.



Fighters, on the other hand, are in that predicament. If they go hard but don't make it to a good level, they leave the sport with nothing. No savings, no investments, no assets... all eaten up in training costs and medical bills. Everything they've earned has been 'invested' into a body that is now broken



... and who picks up the tab for all the mess caused by some dude stubbornly 'pursuing his passion' when he just wasn't cut out for it? The crippled, brain-damaged fighter who can't count back from 20, who has no skills outside of fighting, who can't even hold down a job anymore? No, it's his family. Right when he should be providing for them, he's being a burden instead. (Assuming he doesn't just wind up homeless/killing himself due to depression)

you're not smart, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The longer a fighter stays in the game, the more of a name he gets and the more fan adoration he has, which leads to bigger monetary options after retirement. (opening up a gym, doing seminars, guest appearances, books) even a guy like Chris Leben who never reached the top, gets a lot of respect and fan admiration just for how long and exciting his career was.

and you act like Schaub is a journey man fighting in the smaller shows, he's at the top of his profession. Not the top of the top i.e the champ, but he is at the top and is at that point where he can really cement his name the minds of mma fans.

I don't know why I'm responding though, you're probably just jealous like Rogan though because you don't have what it takes to be a REAL fighter. Not a point tournament winner, but a FIGHTER.

[imweasel]

Finally got a full listen to this. Rogan is a kunt, always has been. I like his podcast because he talks to interesting people, about interesting things but he always feels like he's right. He has an opinion and that's it.

With Rogan every conversation is a sparring match he has to win.

[wannabetoughguy]

Saw it this morning.

Advice is easy to give, but not easy to take.

[Babalu1]

I thought the whole thing was pathetic for a numerous reasons. I'll use bullet points to avoid paragraphs of ranting;

- Rogan should have said all of that in private. I know Schaub wanted to do the podcast, but he wanted to critique his fight with Browne. Instead was embarrassed on a live broadcast.

- Most of it was just unnecessary. "Cain would fuk you up", "it doesn't look like you committed", saying his footwork, punches, head movement and everything else was bad. Again, do this in private. Schaub is still a pro fighter worried about his job in the UFC and you are telling thousands of people how chit he is? Great.

- Rogan's belief that if you can't get the belt you shouldn't be fighting. I guess everyone outside of the top 2-3 in the HW division should retire?

- Rogan's concerns about brain trauma and the insecurities he has towards his own fighting "career" have nothing to do with Schaub. The guy played football all his life and is now a professional fighter, he knows the risks. Just because Rogan wasn't willing to take the risk doesn't give him to right to tell anyone else what to do. Particularly a guy in his 30's who has been fighting for years.

- "Dude you have other options, you're hilarious". Yeah, Schaub should quit his job and do stand up with Joe and that Duncan Trussel dweeb. Rogan somehow garnered a fan base through Fear Factor and horrible "comedy" performances so Schaub should do that too and everything will be okay.

- This wasn't even Rogan's podcast. He was a guest on the Fighter and the Kid, but just like his own podcast, he loves to hear himself talk and took over the conversation, and seemed to enjoy ripping the chit out of Schaubby.

There was plenty more wrong with it from my viewpoint but those were some of my gripes with it.

EDIT - It's also interesting to me that Rogan projects the idea that he is absolutely terrified of brain injury and is so concerned about fighter's health, and yet he has no problem pocketing millions of dollars from commenting on traumatic brain injury.

[Babalu1]

Except Joe Rogan is
TKD & BJJ black belt
Massachusetts full contact Tae Kwon Do champion 4 years in a row
US Open Tae Kwon Do Champion
As lightweight champion went on to beat both the middle and heavyweight title-holders to obtain the Grand Championship
Has fought in kickboxing and constantly trains with best fighters in the world

He definetely isn't a "nobody".

lol

let us be reality here.

Being a TKD champion three decades ago doesn't make you a "somebody" in MMA.

There are thousands of BJJ black belts all over the world. Training BJJ doesn't give you the authority to question/dictate what a pro fighter does (and he was trying to dictate Schaub).

He had a couple of kick boxing fights, went 2-1 and gave up after getting fuked up. Great.

He knows Eddie Bravo and hangs out at his gym where some pro fighters train. Again, does that really matter? No. No it doesn't.

[kevo1295]

Disagreed with Rogan saying Schaub cannot become elite. Just look at all the guys who have had a resurgence in the UFC. Matt Brown had 3 straight l's and now he is a contender. CB Dolloway was in obscurity at one point, has improved a lot, and now has the opportunity to become a contender. Werdum was a "UFC reject" and is now the interim champ at 37 years old looking better than ever. Arlovski, who many believed Schaub beat, is ranked 7 ffs. Losing to the number 4 guy in the world is not indicative of Schaub never becoming a top fighter. Robbie Lawler lost to Lorenz Larkin before his UFC run to becoming champion.

[Gainzzz]

Disagreed with Rogan saying Schaub cannot become elite. Just look at all the guys who have had a resurgence in the UFC. Matt Brown had 3 straight l's and now he is a contender. CB Dolloway was in obscurity at one point, has improved a lot, and now has the opportunity to become a contender. Werdum was a "UFC reject" and is now the interim champ at 37 years old looking better than ever. Arlovski, who many believed Schaub beat, is ranked 7 ffs. Losing to the number 4 guy in the world is not indicative of Schaub never becoming a top fighter. Robbie Lawler lost to Lorenz Larkin before his UFC run to becoming champion.

Good points but what Rogan was saying is based on his performances he'll never be elite and it's hard to disagree. He looks like complete chit when he fights, even when he wins.

[Stray94]

I'll bite

Firstly, people in dead end/risky jobs do them because they either lack options or dont understand the risks. Ain't no-one working fast-food because they love it


Secondly, construction workers, policemen and miners all get paid and go home. They don't have to pay to maintain their career. No gym fees, they don't have to keep a corner man, a striking coach and a grappling coach on retainer, they don't have to travel 100(0)s of miles for a one-night job, they don't have an expensive supplement and diet plan to maintain, they don't have to study auxiliary physical (injurious) disciplines outside of their day job just to stay 'rounded', they don't have to write 'Dynamic Fastner' on their azz just to afford breakfast


The smart min-wage workers use all their free time and money, especially in their 20s, to invest in themselves and get the phuck out of the dead-end, body-ruining grind. Go back to school, secure a management position... whatever. It's not an all-or-nothing shot at glory.



Fighters, on the other hand, are in that predicament. If they go hard but don't make it to a good level, they leave the sport with nothing. No savings, no investments, no assets... all eaten up in training costs and medical bills. Everything they've earned has been 'invested' into a body that is now broken



... and who picks up the tab for all the mess caused by some dude stubbornly 'pursuing his passion' when he just wasn't cut out for it? The crippled, brain-damaged fighter who can't count back from 20, who has no skills outside of fighting, who can't even hold down a job anymore? No, it's his family. Right when he should be providing for them, he's being a burden instead. (Assuming he doesn't just wind up homeless/killing himself due to depression)

Chael, Rashad, DC, Schaub, etc. all invested in themselves by appearing on TV and using their fame to lead a career after fighting. It's tough to make a name for yourself and remain relevant after fighting, but it's definitely possible and fighters need to learn how to do it. It's their responsibility to have a back-up option after fighting, even if that means doing college work on the side so that you can jump into another field afterwards.

[jamez123]

Disagreed with Rogan saying Schaub cannot become elite. Just look at all the guys who have had a resurgence in the UFC. Matt Brown had 3 straight l's and now he is a contender. CB Dolloway was in obscurity at one point, has improved a lot, and now has the opportunity to become a contender. Werdum was a "UFC reject" and is now the interim champ at 37 years old looking better than ever. Arlovski, who many believed Schaub beat, is ranked 7 ffs. Losing to the number 4 guy in the world is not indicative of Schaub never becoming a top fighter. Robbie Lawler lost to Lorenz Larkin before his UFC run to becoming champion.

Matt Brown - 0 Losses by KO
CB Dolloway - 2 Losses by KO
Werdum - 1 Losses by KO

Schuab losses by KO - 4 out of 5. 3 in the last 4 years. Arlovski is even worse off.. and should've retired too.

[RoccoTanno123]

Disagreed with Rogan saying Schaub cannot become elite.

You're honestly telling me you think he can beat Cain, JDS, Browne, and Werdum?

His chin is below average for a heavyweight and he's been in mma long enough and at an age where he's unlikely to majorly add to his game.Look at the Brendan Schaub who was on a roll in 2011, and look at the one in 2014. I don't see a dramatic improvement in skill, though I do think he's a he's more well-rounded.

Are people seriously forgetting that this is the same guy that got walked down and knocked out by Big Nog? And then got his soul snatched by Ben Rothwell right after?

[sword_]

Man Joe Rogan is right. Listening to it now. I think he's saying it tactfully as possible. Still hurts.