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    Originally Posted by snowlav View Post
    Waiting till I'm older and making a solid base.
    Think that's what most of us are doing.
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    m4ttarama you can say they are "natural" only when you think peptides, IGF, HGH, Slin and short ester AAS which pass the drug tests are natural. To me its not.
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    m4ttarama you can say they are "natural" only when you think peptides, IGF, HGH, Slin and short ester AAS which pass the drug tests are natural. To me its not.
    They probably aren't natural but we can't prove that so we have to assume they are. You asked for pics of 'natural' competitive bodybuilders and now make excuses when they are presented.
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    Originally Posted by SamTek View Post
    They probably aren't natural but we can't prove that so we have to assume they are. You asked for pics of 'natural' competitive bodybuilders and now make excuses when they are presented.
    Read this

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6312671&page=1

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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    You have to be ****ing kidding me...

    I just....

    You must be a troll. No way you're being serious.
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    Originally Posted by NZbodybuilding View Post
    im natty tho bro but considering usage
    I believe that your natty as much as I believe that 2 + 2 = 5 OP.

    Take that as a compliment either way.
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    Originally Posted by m4ttarama View Post
    I feel as though people should not limit themselves by setting a ceiling on their potential by reading a bunch of articles and such about it before they are even close (read:132lbs) to hitting it.


    edit: this is bodybuilding.com, it used to have a goddamn steroid usage andhomebrew section, because it's a Apart of bodybuilding. unfortunately, things dun changed and it became www.myspaceripped.com. No one on here wants to be a bodybuilder, they even mock the top athletes of the sport. It's pathetic and sad. 95% of this website needs to go to menshealth.com or some sh*t.
    Agreed! I always ask questions pertaining to bodybuilding and people want to give me the men's fitness answer. Not the do this to prepare yourself for a future Olympia type of answer
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    95 percent of "natural" bodybuilders, are not actually natural in reality. They are natural as a reflection of passing a test, a test in which they mask the drugs used. Terrible terrible federation and concept because it will forever be flawed
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    Originally Posted by ANIMALISTIKZ View Post
    95 percent of "natural" bodybuilders, are not actually natural in reality. They are natural as a reflection of passing a test, a test in which they mask the drugs used. Terrible terrible federation and concept because it will forever be flawed
    This. When you hear NPC NATURAL shows in reality anything that you can obtain legally is considered natural. Also I believe Layne is natty. I went from 154 to 197 in one year of training with the first 6 months limited due to accutane and ****ty diet. Look up some of my recent threads on here and you'll have an idea of the size I'm at. If you don't think you can get to Laynes status after 10 years of good diet and training then you prolly shouldn't lift srs/
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    natty is better....you are proud of what you have achieved...i m not prior to any srs BB since i ve been into it for just 3 to 4 months but i got fine results being natty...not even protein supplements nor anything like this.I know people will say these supplements are natty but i just consider that any artificial product is making me not that much natty....not saying that ppl who take supplements are not natty...i just don't feel like even giving them a try...

    OP you must be proud of what you have achieved by yourself with a non natural way and yelling at natty bodybuilders who have done this naturally...
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    Originally Posted by Mat723 View Post
    natty is better....you are proud of what you have achieved..
    So you can't be proud of your accomplishments if you took steronz?
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    If OP is a natty (lol) then once he touches the **** he'll instantly win the olympia.
    Obsessed is what the lazy call the dedicated.

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    Pardon me for not wanting to use other substances in my body that could harm me potentially for the rest of my life,or even just short term.


    God forbid an individual should try to achieve the body God gave him naturally..



    Idiots. OP, you are not natural. I could care less, but stop preaching to these retard kids that believe it that you are.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    So you can't be proud of your accomplishments if you took steronz?
    i wouldn't be....if i looked like a bodybuilder who had taken roids while being natty the feeling would be so nice...at least for me...i would be like wtf man you ain't nothing i did this naturally +pepper ur angus health issues soon....
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    So you can't be proud of your accomplishments if you took steronz?
    People on steroids that do NOTHING gain more muscle then people that work out without steroids. Its proven.

    Someone who has achieved something natural obviously had dedication and willpower. These are traits to be proud of. If someone used roids and doesn't look as extreme as the pros there is no way to tell if he actually had willpower or if he just took the roids.
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    People on steroids that do NOTHING gain more muscle then people that work out without steroids. Its proven.

    Someone who has achieved something natural obviously had dedication and willpower. These are traits to be proud of. If someone used roids and doesn't look as extreme as the pros there is no way to tell if he actually had willpower or if he just took the roids.
    yeeeeah... no.... subjective at best
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    People on steroids that do NOTHING gain more muscle then people that work out without steroids. Its proven.

    Someone who has achieved something natural obviously had dedication and willpower. These are traits to be proud of. If someone used roids and doesn't look as extreme as the pros there is no way to tell if he actually had willpower or if he just took the roids.
    So basically if I took steroids I should look like Jay Cutler or be as strong as Benni, or I have nothing to be proud of. ok.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    So basically if I took steroids I should look like Jay Cutler or be as strong as Benni, or I have nothing to be proud of. ok.
    I had a reason to write "and doesn't look as extreme as the pros". As long as you're within a certain limit (lets say < 170 lbs at 5'8) you can reach that limit with only roids as well as with only training if you just cycle long enough. So no one can say where your results actually come from. Doesn't mean you can't be proud of yourself if you put in hard work, but everyone else doesn't know that.
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    I had a reason to write "and doesn't look as extreme as the pros". As long as you're within a certain limit (lets say < 170 lbs at 5'8) you can reach that limit with only roids as well as with only training if you just cycle long enough.
    Wut. You are saying anything right now stop.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Wut. You are saying anything right now stop.
    i lol'd so fkking hard .



    idk what u even just said,but it was funny.
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    Originally Posted by Mat723 View Post
    natty is better....you are proud of what you have achieved...i m not prior to any srs BB since i ve been into it for just 3 to 4 months but i got fine results being natty...not even protein supplements nor anything like this.I know people will say these supplements are natty but i just consider that any artificial product is making me not that much natty....not saying that ppl who take supplements are not natty...i just don't feel like even giving them a try...

    OP you must be proud of what you have achieved by yourself with a non natural way and yelling at natty bodybuilders who have done this naturally...
    if your going to be on this website either stop being so ignorant or stop posting. protein supplements? seriouslly protein is a macro nutrient not some hormonal assistance.

    even though op isnt natural doesnt mean he cant be proud. i know plenty of guys who have used gear, eaten like crap and trained terribly and are still small.
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    Originally Posted by BakeryMaster View Post
    even though op isnt natural doesnt mean he cant be proud. i know plenty of guys who have used gear, eaten like crap and trained terribly and are still small.
    Truth. Though I know some guys who have used gear, eaten like their hunger told them, trained terribly and are pretty big.

    You don't need to believe me. Just look at the chart on page 7 here, hypertrophy and muscle gain was on average bigger in the testosterone without exercise group then in the exercise without testosterone group.

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    Originally Posted by Mat723 View Post
    natty is better....you are proud of what you have achieved...i m not prior to any srs BB since i ve been into it for just 3 to 4 months but i got fine results being natty...not even protein supplements nor anything like this.I know people will say these supplements are natty but i just consider that any artificial product is making me not that much natty....not saying that ppl who take supplements are not natty...i just don't feel like even giving them a try...

    OP you must be proud of what you have achieved by yourself with a non natural way and yelling at natty bodybuilders who have done this naturally...
    Protein supplements? plsgo
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    Truth. Though I know some guys who have used gear, eaten like their hunger told them, trained terribly and are pretty big.

    You don't need to believe me. Just look at the chart on page 7 here, hypertrophy and muscle gain was on average bigger in the testosterone without exercise group then in the exercise without testosterone group.

    http://yilab.bio.uci.edu/teach/biosci2b/NEJM.pdf
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    And those derps lose a ****load of the gains they made in the cycle when they come off. What's your point?
    If they ever come off... Someone who doesn't give a f*ck and just cycles without care about his natural t-production will look like someone who doesn't cycle but invests a lot of willpower and dedication. You have the same respect for both? I don't. Do you know if they guy just cycled or if he cycled AND put in an effort? No.
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    Originally Posted by Zunehmer View Post
    Nice, so lets all just take roids and get huge. Because that is the ultimate goal in life. And disregard that people here are obviously lying about whats naturally possible, making other people feel bad when they can only get to 180 lbs at 5'10 instead of 240.

    And thinking they themselves are great when they are either f*cking overweight (yes you samtek) or taking roids, not responding to the actual post but just attacking the poster himself. Truth is truth no matter if I say it or lyle says it or some roidhead tells it.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html
    any1 else find it funny that all the kids with high post to rep power ratios are scrawny *******s who don't even lift? nice life


    must spend a lot of time in the nutrition section nut hugging alan or the kids who take 9 years to bench 215x3, or pull 315 with straps at a bw of 200
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    Originally Posted by NZbodybuilding View Post
    why ? you waste all your ****ing money on food even tho you will only gain 5 - 10 pounds of muscle in a year..
    Lol, you only gain 5-10 lbs of muscle in a year if you're a little bitch who doesn't know how to lift and can't push himself. I'm all natty, put on over 40 lbs in 2 years and I lost body fat. Lifts jumped hugely. Don't blame it on my genetics either
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    Originally Posted by Mat723 View Post
    natty is better....you are proud of what you have achieved...i m not prior to any srs BB since i ve been into it for just 3 to 4 months but i got fine results being natty...not even protein supplements nor anything like this.I know people will say these supplements are natty but i just consider that any artificial product is making me not that much natty....not saying that ppl who take supplements are not natty...i just don't feel like even giving them a try...

    OP you must be proud of what you have achieved by yourself with a non natural way and yelling at natty bodybuilders who have done this naturally...
    You don't feel like giving protein a try? Good luck with your gains then, or finding anything to eat for that matter.
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