Looking for Pre workout similar to Jack3d

[21yearsofmuscle]

I like Jack3d because when it works, I go in the gym and I am focused on moving iron. But it just seems like its not as potent as it used to be? I have been taking it for 3 weeks now and before that it was about a year since I last took it. I am taking 4 scoops and I am not feeling anything. I dont want to take it and waste it if it isnt going to do anything.

Does anyone recommend something else that gets that focus going?

Thanks.

[RaginAzN]

maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...

[BigBoLuke93]

maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...

This for sure. I would take a stim break for a few weeks though and cut out all stimulants if 4 scoops of Jack3d isn't doing anything..

[RaginAzN]

This for sure. I would take a stim break for a few weeks though and cut out all stimulants if 4 scoops of Jack3d isn't doing anything..

Missed that and yes if you taking 4 scoop and it's not doing anything for you, you got bigger issues than getting a new preworkout.

[21yearsofmuscle]

I dont drink coffee, tea, or soda. Its been 1 year since I last took Jacked other than 3 weeks ago. And even then It really didnt effect me.

[21yearsofmuscle]

Also, searching for this Maximize Intense, what is the V2? Is it better then the black container?

[Valhallabound86]

I dont drink coffee, tea, or soda. Its been 1 year since I last took Jacked other than 3 weeks ago. And even then It really didnt effect me.

So no other caffeine than in the PWO? Interesting, it's strange your tolerance wouldn't have reset by this point.

Regardless, Jack3d is essentially just caffeine. So I would either stick to caffeine pills for PWO, or look into some diverse ones that would give you more benefit in the NO boosting/nootropic category.

[RaginAzN]

Also, searching for this Maximize Intense, what is the V2? Is it better then the black container?

Yes, intense is newly reformulated version of the v2 and is a bit better...get you the mango peach tea flavor as I hear it is godly..

[onlyGrace]

White flood whoops Jack3d every day of the week! I just swapped over. Go with White Flood and you won't be disappointed

[RaginAzN]

White flood whoops Jack3d every day of the week! I just swapped over. Go with White Flood and you won't be disappointed

I would recommend this to him if it wasn't for the fact that he takes 4 scoops of jack3d and felt nothing...

[kjake55]

[QUOTE=RaginAzN;858873083]maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...[QUOTE]

I'm going to be cycling off Jack 3D in a couple of days when this jar is finished. It's my 2nd in a row without a break from it and I've had great results. I use 2 scoops 4 times per week.

Why is Maximize Intense "better than jack 3d on every level"? I'm not asking to be snotty I really want to know since I need to move to something new. I have a bench press comp at the end of next month and I don't want to disrupt my training. Thanks for the info!

[BigBoLuke93]

[QUOTE=kjake55;858878403][QUOTE=RaginAzN;858873083]maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...

I'm going to be cycling off Jack 3D in a couple of days when this jar is finished. It's my 2nd in a row without a break from it and I've had great results. I use 2 scoops 4 times per week.

Why is Maximize Intense "better than jack 3d on every level"? I'm not asking to be snotty I really want to know since I need to move to something new. I have a bench press comp at the end of next month and I don't want to disrupt my training. Thanks for the info!

Jack3d is basically just a stimulant cocktail with little to no beneficial performance enhancing ingredients. Maximize Intense has a much more complete profile with plenty of effective performance enhancing ingredients at good doses. It does more than just stim you up like Jack3d does

[RaginAzN]

[QUOTE=kjake55;858878403][QUOTE=RaginAzN;858873083]maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...

I'm going to be cycling off Jack 3D in a couple of days when this jar is finished. It's my 2nd in a row without a break from it and I've had great results. I use 2 scoops 4 times per week.

Why is Maximize Intense "better than jack 3d on every level"? I'm not asking to be snotty I really want to know since I need to move to something new. I have a bench press comp at the end of next month and I don't want to disrupt my training. Thanks for the info!

Has proven ingredients such as citrulline malate that greatly enchances endurance and provide pumps, you then have agmatine which provids epic pump but is also a nutritient partisioner. Creatinol phosphate is going to work more as an intracellular buffer, increasing anaerobic glycolysis in the presence of lactic acid. Also so many other good stuff....the list just goes on and on...

[kjake55]

Jack3d is basically just a stimulant cocktail with little to no beneficial performance enhancing ingredients. Maximize Intense has a much more complete profile with plenty of effective performance enhancing ingredients at good doses. It does more than just stim you up like Jack3d does

interesting...can you eloborate?

[kjake55]

[QUOTE=RaginAzN;858880263][QUOTE=kjake55;858878403]

maximize intense, better than jack3d on every level...

Has proven ingredients such as citrulline malate that greatly enchances endurance and provide pumps, you then have agmatine which provids epic pump but is also a nutritient partisioner. Creatinol phosphate is going to work more as an intracellular buffer, increasing anaerobic glycolysis in the presence of lactic acid. Also so many other good stuff....the list just goes on and on...

spoken like a true believer! Thanks I'll check into it.

[RaginAzN]

interesting...can you eloborate?

I'm sure Luke was about to get to it

[BigBoLuke93]

interesting...can you eloborate?

Sure, Creatinol-O-Phosphate helps with strength and ATP, Agmatine helps with pumps and blood flow and some users report increased endurance, L-Norvaline enhances vasodilation.. Ragin covered the others

[RaginAzN]

Sure, Creatinol-O-Phosphate helps with strength and ATP, Agmatine helps with pumps and blood flow and some users report increased endurance, L-Norvaline enhances vasodilation.. Ragin covered the others

see I knew it =P

[RaginAzN]

scratch the part about the citulline malate as I was thinking of hemavol for some strange reason LOL but it is still a great formula/product.

[BigBoLuke93]

scratch the part about the citulline malate as I was thinking of hemavol for some strange reason LOL but it is still a great formula/product.

That's why you do Intense + Hemavol for straight epicness Both products are top notch in their categories

[Exhausticator]

I'd personally go with DS Craze.

With such a tolerance as you seem to have towards stims (I'd guess it's the 1,3 dimeth) I think you'd be better off going with something that is almost entirely different.

It's also very unique compared to all other pre's on the market currently.

[RaginAzN]

I'd personally go with DS Craze.

With such a tolerance as you seem to have towards stims (I'd guess it's the 1,3 dimeth) I think you'd be better off going with something that is almost entirely different.

It's also very unique compared to all other pre's on the market currently.

To be honest this is my experience with craze, first time trying it took the whole 2 sample pack I felt like superman on crack...so I decided to buy a whole tub and after a week of damn great workout (@ 2 scoops) coupled with sleeplessness and extreme appetite suppressant, it just stopped working...

[TimMason91]

I'd personally go with DS Craze.

hnnng.

craze, and or white flood, can't go wrong.

[Exhausticator]

To be honest this is my experience with craze, first time trying it took the whole 2 sample pack I felt like superman on crack...so I decided to buy a whole tub and after a week of damn great workout (@ 2 scoops) coupled with sleeplessness and extreme appetite suppressant, it just stopped working...

Yeah, there's a small percent of people who don't respond well to it.

There's also some people who respond "too well" to it and think it's too strong for them.

This can be said about every prework.

I know some dudes who feel nothing off of 1,3 dimeth.. others it's caffeine.

It's all hit and miss.

[RaginAzN]

Yeah, there's a small percent of people who don't respond well to it.

There's also some people who respond "too well" to it and think it's too strong for them.

This can be said about every prework.

I know some dudes who feel nothing off of 1,3 dimeth.. others it's caffeine.

It's all hit and miss.

yea everyone reacts differently to different substances...

[kjake55]

Thanks, lots of good info here. Any thoughts on how long I should be off the jack b4 I start on something new? I'm *very* stim tolerant.

Edit w/another quick question. Should I be adding additional beta alanine? It's already in the jack so I don't bother but I don't know about other brands.