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    It would not surprise me at all. I remember about 5yrs ago watching a rare view of the interior of the country on a show like Dateline. The news correspodant had noticed that were no dogs, pets or even birds flying in the air. Nothing was safe from being eaten. Very sad indeed.
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    Of course we have zero methods of verifying if this has happened. its the exact same thing as them telling thier citizens that we are eating our children.

    Lets think this through together.

    If they are really starving then one would assume they live in terrible circumstances. they would have no public services like trash removal.

    The rats and rodent population would be at an all time high.

    Are we to assume that these people are too stupid to eat the rats and smaller rodents for food before they would eat theri own children?

    Also are we to assume that they never heard of chickens or rabbits?

    They are too poor to raise simple farm animals that people in dirt shacks in africa with absolutley nothing can afford to raise but but they can afford to travel on business?

    Seems to me that propaganda is at play here, nothing more.

    Either this or North korea must be the most cockroach and rat free place in all of asia.
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    Originally Posted by crupiea View Post
    Seems to me that propaganda is at play here, nothing more.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post

    crupia will be in denial and insists it's only propaganga !
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    Originally Posted by GuyJin View Post
    Propagangnam-style!

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    It seems plausible that people would resort to that in a time of famine. Who knows if it's true. Some of the stories of atrocities in Bosnia were exaggerations or outright lies crafted to get the US involved in the war. Every story about WMDs in Iraq turned out to be false, but people still believe them. North Korea is more of a closed society than Bosnia or Iraq, so it would be tough to verify stories like this one way or the other.

    There's one thing that's true. People will read this story and be 100% convinced for life. That's how public opinion works. Most people still think "bath salts" make you go crazy and chew someone's face off. They base that opinion off one statement from a cop that was later proven false.
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    Originally Posted by GuyJin View Post
    Propagangnam-style!

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    Originally Posted by m314 View Post
    It seems plausible that people would resort to that in a time of famine. Who knows if it's true. Some of the stories of atrocities in Bosnia were exaggerations or outright lies crafted to get the US involved in the war. Every story about WMDs in Iraq turned out to be false, but people still believe them. North Korea is more of a closed society than Bosnia or Iraq, so it would be tough to verify stories like this one way or the other.

    There's one thing that's true. People will read this story and be 100% convinced for life. That's how public opinion works. Most people still think "bath salts" make you go crazy and chew someone's face off. They base that opinion off one statement from a cop that was later proven false.
    this is 100% spot on.

    think where this sort of information comes from.

    We never ended the war in korea and neither did they. Why not? is it because we are still at war with them, they certainly think we are.

    The only "credible" information we get is from defectors. What we would call these people is traitors.

    Imagine in 1968 that someone went to the soviet union to "escape" america. Then they went on soviet tv and spoke to reporters about how bad our society was. The citizens of that country would only have that persons word to go on.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Really? You sure about that?

    He didn't say atrocities in general, just WMDs
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Really? You sure about that?

    You political Fuck who will say whatever lies you have to in order to advance your stupid agenda make me want to puke. Disgusting!!!


    Shame on you and all of your ilk.
    Lol. Anger issues? I meant the WMD stories used to justify the latest war in Iraq. Everyone knows Saddam used chemical weapons in the 80s. He was not developing WMDs to use against us in 2003, which was the main justification for invading and occupying the country.
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    Lol. Anger issues? I meant the WMD stories used to justify the latest war in Iraq. Everyone knows Saddam used chemical weapons in the 80s. He was not developing WMDs to use against us in 2003, which was the main justification for invading and occupying the country.
    Then why did he keep stalling, and not allow the U.N. inspectors in for the longest time. I am sure Saddam got rid of most of his WMD's, but our military did find them. For the life of me, I don't know why it didn't make the mainsteam news.
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    Originally Posted by so-tex View Post
    Then why did he keep stalling, and not allow the U.N. inspectors in for the longest time. I am sure Saddam got rid of most of his WMD's, but our military did find them. For the life of me, I don't know why it didn't make the mainsteam news.
    I don't know why he wouldn't allow inspectors everywhere. It might have been that he was proud and arrogant and didn't want to back down.

    Stories like this have been coming out in recent years.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-lies-iraq-war

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29

    People in Iraq deliberately lied about WMDs, and our intelligence services believed them. I don't think Saddam was a good guy at all, but I don't think American troops should have died in a war when our country wasn't at risk. All our troops found (that I know of) were a few old chemical artillery shells left over from the 80s.

    Ironically, there's no chance we'll invade North Korea now that they have real WMDs. Nobody wants to risk a nuclear war.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Really? You sure about that?
    Damn, Doug, can you be more concise?
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    When people make their fucking politics more important than human beings, I get very emotional.



    LOL all you want. It isn't fucking funny. Its human beings.
    I was laughing at your reaction, not Saddam's victims. 100,000 human beings died as a direct result of our invasion. I guess they don't count in your view.
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    Why? I don't find my reaction funny at all.
    I didn't make my point clear, and you overreacted when you misinterpreted what I meant. I said all the WMD stories were false when I meant to say all the recent WMD stories (from the 2000s) were false. All that anger over a wrongly phrased statement.
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    You have no idea where my anger comes from, and you have no idea what counts to me.
    Nobody does with what you have gone through, and frankly, it is no damn business but your own. Peace to you friend.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    You have no idea where my anger comes from, and you have no idea what counts to me.

    Unless someone has walked a mile in your shoes, and seen the things you have seen and done they can never comprehend the depth of your feelings and your point of view.

    It's easy for people who have not served to believe the propaganda and lies that are fed to us. I am not in any shape way or form defending their opinions, on the contrary.

    Thank you for all you and our military men and women do everyday. If it wasn't for you guys people would not have the freedoms to express their opinions so freely.
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    Originally Posted by Trinity1216 View Post
    Unless someone has walked a mile in your shoes, and seen the things you have seen and done they can never comprehend the depth of your feelings and your point of view.

    It's easy for people who have not served to believe the propaganda and lies that are fed to us. I am not in any shape way or form defending their opinions, on the contrary.

    Thank you for all you and our military men and women do everyday. If it wasn't for you guys people would not have the freedoms to express their opinions so freely.
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    You have no idea where my anger comes from, and you have no idea what counts to me.
    You have no idea what counts to me either, but you went off on a rant about "people like me". Did you get that angry when Donald Rumsfeld admitted they were wrong about the WMDs? Were you even paying attention? I served in the Army too, so I don't want to see American soldiers dying over a series of lies and mistakes.

    I was just trying to make the point that people shouldn't believe everything they read or see in the media. People shut off their critical thinking abilities when they read stories about Koreans eating their children or evil dictators developing weapons that will kill us.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    You have no idea where my anger comes from, and you have no idea what counts to me.
    Than explain instead of resorting to posting gore. I've seen enough that sh*t myself without you having to post it to be a sensationalist drama queen. WTF is wrong with you?

    Originally Posted by so-tex View Post
    Nobody does with what you have gone through, and frankly, it is no damn business but your own. Peace to you friend.
    Sure, but instead of coming undone at the hinges, maybe "talking" would be a good alternative.

    Originally Posted by Trinity1216 View Post
    Unless someone has walked a mile in your shoes, and seen the things you have seen and done they can never comprehend the depth of your feelings and your point of view.
    I don't have to understand HIS views to understand what it's like to be passionate about something.

    It's easy for people who have not served to believe the propaganda and lies that are fed to us. I am not in any shape way or form defending their opinions, on the contrary.
    American soldiers are consistently feed propaganda. Those at the top feed it to those below. Civilians are not the only ones subject to lies and outright bullsh*ttery.

    Thank you for all you and our military men and women do everyday. If it wasn't for you guys people would not have the freedoms to express their opinions so freely.
    ...Thanks, but honestly I don't feel like I need to be thanked for the rest of my life just for serving, others may feel more entitled. YMMV
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    I had a customer come in to have a rug she purchased in Iraq framed. She told me that she had personally seen and watched being destroyed terrible things and to never believe those that claim there were no WMDs in Iraq. She was active military and I can see no reason why she would lie about it.

    I also agree with Doug if you say there were no WMDs make sure you're not talking to a Kurd first. If he had them then... it's reasonable enough to believe he still had them.

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    Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter View Post
    I also agree with Doug if you say there were no WMDs make sure you're not talking to a Kurd first. If he had them then... it's reasonable enough to believe he still had them.
    Do any of you guys watch the news? Are you paying attention to current events at all? You're just proving my point about people making up their minds about something and never changing it in spite of the evidence.

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    From what I understand a level four bio lab can fit into a shipping crate, or onto the back of a semi. A friend of mine who was an inspector there never found anything, but expressed a lot of frustration with the rules. I'm truing to remember how much notice they had to give, but I think it was 36 hours. Many sites were just empty buildings. Bad in tell? Maybe. To an extent well never know the full scope.
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    The irony here is that eomrat defends the freedoms that allow you to contradict everything he says.
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    I suppose anything can be sensationalized. There are Americans that eat kids (Jeffry Dahmer comes immediately to mind). Any story can be modified to fit your intended audience.
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    Originally Posted by geer_matt View Post
    The irony here is that eomrat defends the freedoms that allow you to contradict everything he says.
    ^^^^QFT

    Not going to bother multi quoting to damn early in the morning and I need my coffee.

    I just don't believe what the news channels and media reports spew, quite honestly they are in the business of drama, if it bleeds it leads is their motto and they love controversy. I will take the word of a man or women who has actually been on the front line and seen with their own eyes the truth and reality than the media any day.

    Just out of curiosity ACC how long did you serve? Did you see any actual combat? Just asking because most of the military people I know are appreciative of the respect they receive. I make it a point to thank every person I meet that is either serving this country or has served. It's because of them that I can sleep securely at night and wake up in the morning and have the freedom to do and say whatever I choose. But that's just me *shrug*

    Carry on, and I hope everyone has a wonderful day. It's absolutely freezing where I am at and dreading having to go out in it. Moar coffee is needed
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    Originally Posted by Trinity1216 View Post
    Just out of curiosity ACC how long did you serve? Did you see any actual combat? Just asking because most of the military people I know are appreciative of the respect they receive. I make it a point to thank every person I meet that is either serving this country or has served. It's because of them that I can sleep securely at night and wake up in the morning and have the freedom to do and say whatever I choose. But that's just me *shrug*
    I served a single tour 4 years active duty (4 years reserves), 91B (Combat Medic). I was deployed to Bosnia (IFOR, Operation Joint Endeavor), for a year in 96 after the signing of the Dayton Peace Accord. It was not a designated combat zone, only a hazard zone. I also worked at the V.A. for 18 months as a swing shift nurses aid after leaving the service.

    I am appreciative of the thanks, but IMO it seems that the "Support the Troops" movement that started in the 90's has become almost a cliche.... the politically correct thing to say. I personally don't care for what has almost become an idolization of what a solider is. I've seen many soldier that let it go to their head, putting themselves on a pedestal. We soldiers and vets are no better than anyone else, our opinions no more valid. No one FORCED us to join, we didn't do it for free, and we don't automatically deserve respect simply because we joined.

    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    I havent said a word about it.
    This wasn't directed at you. Though you seem intent on keeping that f*cking gore up.

    Take it down.
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