Anyone taking Piracetam, Nootropyl, Nootropil, Lucetam, Oikamid? (Brain booster)

[Endgame]

SAN makes one

http://www.star bodies.com/alcar-125-servings.html

The star bodies item is pharmaceutical grade according to the labelling.

However, it doesn't list the amount they give you for that price.

You are very lucky that you are in the USA, here are some that I would personally buy, but am unable to. You are very lucky my friend: (srs)

(Carnipure certification)
http://www.i h erb.com/Twinlab-Acetyl-L-Carnitine-500-mg-120-Capsules/4455?at=0

(BioStint certification)
http://www.i herb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Acetyl-L-Carnitine-HCl-588-mg-120-Capsules/7779?at=0

(BioStint certification)
http://www.i herb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Acetyl-L-Carnitine-500-500-mg-120-Veggie-Caps/16419?at=0

[tubemode12]

Try not to worry too much about the quality of your supplements.

The only pharmaceutical grade supplement amongst my stack is my Piracetam, aside from that, everything else is produced independently in a lab.

Like I said:

1. Does the company have a respectable history in regards to quality and customer dealings?

2. Do online reviews speak positively of their products?

3. Is the brand reputable? Is it popular amongst mainstream consumers?

If you want to go the extra mile, then have your products tested at a laboratory.

[jj00ee]

Will these keep me awake? I work 8-5:30 Mon-Fri and have class at nights Mon-Wed. So it'd be best to be taking them Mon-Wed, right around the time I get off work, right?

Thanks brahs

[tubemode12]

The typical nootropic/study stack is sub-divided into five differing categories. For everyone's sake, I will phrase these categories in terminations which everyone here can understand.

1. The Nootropic - Memory/Neurocognitive enhancing substances

a. The Racetam Family

b. Neural Vasodilators

c. Neural Growth Fiber promoting substances

2. The Encoding Optimizer - Substances that allow you to remain attentive enough to the material to actively encode all of it into your memory. These also keep you awake. You aren't going to get anything into your head if you keep drifting off into sleep.

(Notice how spacing out whilst studying keeps any of the information written in the book from entering your head?)

a. Caffeine

b. SSRIs

c. Amphetamines


3. Neurotransmitters - Your vital neurotransmitters

a. Choline

(Serotonin, Dopamine and what-not are also somewhat vital, but not to the extent of boosting your memory, in truth, these chemicals belong to the encoding optimizing drug group as they keep your attention focused on a specific task)


4. Supplementary substances - they potentiate the effects of your nootropic stack along with your neurocognitive processes. They also keep your mind and body functioning properly and healthily.

a. ALCAR

b. ALA

c. Fish Oil

d. Multi-Vitamin

4. Food - glucose. Your mind needs a constant source to continue working. Glycogen depletion leads to a build-up in adenosine levels thereby causing sleepiness. You also tend to become crankier when you don't get enough to eat

5. Water - cerebral thermoregulation. Dehydration leads to neural apoptosis or neurotoxicity. This is common in athletes, we refer to this as heat stroke. Keep yourself hydrated.

[tubemode12]

Will these keep me awake? I work 8-5:30 Mon-Fri and have class at nights Mon-Wed. So it'd be best to be taking them Mon-Wed, right around the time I get off work, right?

Thanks brahs

Yes they will. Have some caffeine on hand at all times.

You can take them during work too, if you'd like. Have the occasional cup of caffeine every 4-5 hours to keep your energy levels up.

When I mean 'cup', I mean 'cup'. Piracetam seems to eliminate the half-life of caffeine. What do I mean by this? No perceptible crash whatsoever after the half-life of caffeine has passed. It might come as a result of Piracetam's neuroprotective qualities.

Either way: don't take too much. You will still build a tolerance and once you go off, Piracetam will not protect you from the ensuing withdrawal effects.

[KennyK]

I may try this

http://www.onnit.com/alphabrain/

[NYCJovi]

I may try this

http://www.onnit.com/alphabrain/

Save your money and make a better stack.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post751658673

I'm not comfortable w/ the idea of taking an acetylcholinesterase inhibiting drug for any indefinite period of time. We just don't know enough about the long term issues that might arise.

That said, I can make my own nootropic stack that is 10 times more powerful than this one for a fraction of the price.

I think it's probably a decent product, but I would be looking to gobble down 6-8 pills a day to get the kind of response I'm used to (I take some of the ingredients in this formula in much higher doses).

At that price, just not right for me. But it's all good. I don't really have any heated arguments to spew like others in this thread. Disc golf/exercise and life have been beating the douchey internet warrior out of me for the most part.

From: http://forums.joerogan.net/showthrea...70#post6177670

Wise Guy is the OP of what is a 127 page Nootropics thread on Joe Rogan's forums. Rogan, who has a financial stake in Onnit Labs, has stickied that Nootropics thread found here. http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=92436

[tubemode12]

I may try this

http://www.onnit.com/alphabrain/

Read my post concerning Alpha Brain. That supplement is complete bunk, I would not take it even if it were given to me for free neither would I promote it if I were granted a sponsorship.

The science on their website is atrocious. Any psychology major worth his weight in gold could easily point out the scientific flaws in that supplement.

Dopamine and GABA levels, crucial components to remaining calm, focused, and mentally driven. Our vinpocetin

Notice how 'vinpocetine' is misspelled as 'vinpocetin'. I am appalled. As Walter White from Breaking Bad once said: I respect the science.

People who try to profit off the ignorance of other individuals using the science I have a lot of love and passion for piss me off.

[KennyK]

Save your money and make a better stack.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post751658673



From: http://forums.joerogan.net/showthrea...70#post6177670

Wise Guy is the OP of what is a 127 page Nootropics thread on Joe Rogan's forums. Rogan, who has a financial stake in Onnit Labs, has stickied that Nootropics thread found here. http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=92436

damn bro, thanks for the heads up

[tubemode12]

Save your money and make a better stack.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post751658673



From: http://forums.joerogan.net/showthrea...70#post6177670

Wise Guy is the OP of what is a 127 page Nootropics thread on Joe Rogan's forums. Rogan, who has a financial stake in Onnit Labs, has stickied that Nootropics thread found here. http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=92436

Thank you for the clarification and information. Your presence here is well-appreciated.

The acetylcholinesterase-inhibiting substance in question is Huperzine-A.

In theory, short-term use should be very beneficial. Studies done in China confirm this.

As with all substances though, this too can have its side-effects. Long-term use is hypothetically dangerous.

Acetylcholinesterase-inhibiting substances prevent the reuptake of acetylcholine. Now normally this is beneficial for those going through intensive physical/mental exertion, as these activities tend to drain ones choline supply rather quickly, leading to fatigue and brain fog.

But the aforementioned substance is extremely critical neurologically, regardless. Do you know how nerve gases work? They inhibit the reuptake of choline, thereby causing muscular spasms and paralysis.

It is hypothesized that using Huperzine-A long-term could lead to problems in relation to acetylcholinesterase. It is believed that should one take this substance long enough - you could keep your body from actively producing acetylcholinesterase thereby keeping your acetylcholine levels unchecked.

[kids.got.soul]

going to give this a shot when i land a job soon hopefully

[KennyK]

were you taking the powders?

can you take it with juice?

[tubemode12]

were you taking the powders?

can you take it with juice?

All of my supplements come in tablet or capsule form. There should be no problem with mixing your stack with juice and the like.

People do it all the time. Avoid anything too acidic however. Kool-Aid is fine. Water is even better.

[Haterade~]

^ Hmm, I've been taking my SNS piracetam with Lipton diet green tea, might be too acidic for it?

Random question here, but is there much issue if my exact dosage of piracetam for example is constantly off by say anywhere from 10-100 mg? The texture is a bit inconsistent and I just quickly scoop it using the provided scoop.

[tubemode12]

No. No issue there whatsoever. Iced tea is fine.

And again, no issue there either. I doubt your body can tell the difference to be honest.

[Endgame]

What would be a good daily dose of ALA (R-configuration)?

Would 200mg-400mg be okay, or is that too high?

How about 100mg daily? (R-configuration)

[owen1r]

Tube, without hype does it actually help you with studying? I am quite interested in this as I have exams in a month and wish to perform better. Plus I live in Aus any good places to source it for cheap?

[Two4OH]

Is the ALCAR really necessary to take? For what reason?

When should I take it?

[tubemode12]

What would be a good daily dose of ALA (R-configuration)?

Would 200mg-400mg be okay, or is that too high?

How about 100mg daily? (R-configuration)

Dose whatever is recommended by the provider. I have no prior experience with R-ALA to be honest, and I can't comment as to how much each person should be getting.

@owen1r

Depends. You willing to sit in front of a book for 7-8 hours at a time to study?

Piracetam will help you do that. Once stayed awake for 25 hours working and fixing projects on nothing but Piracetam, ALCAR and Caffeine.

This isn't a magic pill. It'll help you, but most of your success will come by your hand alone.

@Two4OH

Enhanced cellular metabolism. It is often thought that this enhancement aids in the neuronal utilization of glucose.

It is very synergistic with Piracetam and works well to keep your energy levels up.

It is, well, second only to Choline in terms of association with Piracetam.

[liftTENhard]

[blinkers88]

wut

[Two4OH]

So I just received some Piracetam from the amazon and......









Did they send me crack!? Does anyone elses look like this????

[Haterade~]

So I just received some Piracetam from the amazon and......









Did they send me crack!? Does anyone elses look like this????

Mines same, I think label mentions clumping, just break it up.

[Jay9L]

So I just received some Piracetam from the amazon and......

Did they send me crack!? Does anyone elses look like this????

Lmao
yea mine looked the same. Just gotta break it with ur little scooper

[Two4OH]

alright thanx. I guess I should contact the seller again and tell him to forget what I said lulz

[Endgame]

^^^piracetam right?

Piracetam is water-soluble, probably just atmospheric moisture causing the clumping.

[Veenilla]

Was on page 7 and decided to order.
Didn't read thread after that.
Subbed.

Oh OP, I currently workout 6 days a week (following dat dere Jamie Eason's program cuzz) and I take noxipro for my preworkout. so is it okay if I take extra caffeine 1 hour after piracetam? or should I take rhodiola instead?

measly repped.

[tubemode12]

For those of you who need a boost without taking amphetamines or mega-dosing on caffeine everyday, L-Tyrosine is a good addition.

Pyritinol and DMAE are hyped over a lot at other forums. I wouldn't take either of the two as the side-effects aren't all that pleasant.

The former can wreck your hepatic functioning and the latter can screw with your skin.

1 g of Tyrosine prior to studying is sure to keep you going for 5-6 hours at a time. Add a cup of caffeine to that (when I mean a cup, a cup!) and you have the focus and endurance accompanying the consumption of a low-grade amphetamine.

[tubemode12]

Was on page 7 and decided to order.
Didn't read thread after that.
Subbed.

Oh OP, I currently workout 6 days a week (following dat dere Jamie Eason's program cuzz) and I take noxipro for my preworkout. so is it okay if I take extra caffeine 1 hour after piracetam? or should I take rhodiola instead?

measly repped.

Depends. I don't really see why Rhodiola is so touted to be honest. It is a powerful anxyiolitic substance, works well for endurance (you're in your room and the temperature is freezing).

But when I went on it, I felt the need to just lie back down and sleep.

It depends really. Again, try it and see if it works for you.

Oh by the way: Rhodiola is a MAOI class substance, I'd be careful with combining that with your pre-workout supplement.

Yes, I guess some caffeine with Piracetam would be a good choice.

[tubemode12]

L-Tyrosine is definitely a good replacement for caffeine.

The ensuing energy/focus boost is comparable to Ritalin at higher doses.

The dopamine spike can be... somewhat negative to some extent however.

It impairs critical thinking and creativity.

Start with 500 mg. Take another 500 mg after 2-3 hours as the half-life is terrible.