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Old 12-01-2006, 05:59 PM   #1
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Clayton South - Doms: Prevention And Treatment.

Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (DOMS) is a serious and painful condition that affects every athlete. Learn more about DOMS, how it might effect you, etc. Get the details below.

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Old 12-03-2006, 12:06 AM   #2
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is this what he is talking about

the day of the workout i usually feel fatigued inthe muscles i train, but not really sore. I start to feel sore like a day afterwards and it lasts for a day or two. the soreness is usually proportional to the intensity of the workout. this is no big deal and I like the fact the I feel like ive done something.

should i change something? am i doing myself damage as this article would suggest?
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:04 AM   #3
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What Product?

"During the course of my research I came across a product that specifically uses clinically proven anti-inflammatory, anti-DOMS enzymes and the research shows that these enzymes can reduce post-workout muscle inflammation by up to 63%."


I would love to know what this product is. I could really use it.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:19 PM   #4
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This may sound a bit strange but shouldn't someone address the REASON for inflammatory responses. Its not as if your body just randomly decides to inflame various areas of the body. The human body tends to be a bit smarter than the average muscle head.

The outcome in a particular circumstance will be determined by the tissue in which the injury has occurred, and the injurious agent that is causing it.

There are four possible results to inflammation:

Resolution, the complete reconstitution of damaged tissue, does not usually occur in the body.
Connective tissue scarring. Some 24 hours after inflammation in a wound first occurs, the wound healing response will commence. This response involves the formation of connective tissue to bridge the gap caused by injury, and the process of angiogenesis, the formation of new blood vessels, to provide nutrients to the newly formed tissue. Often healing can not occur completely and a scar will form; for example after laceration to the skin, a connective tissue scar results which does not contain any specialised structures such as hair or sweat glands.
abscess formation - primarily in infections by pyogenic bacteria
Ongoing or chronic inflammation. If the injurious agent continues, chronic inflammation will ensue. This process, marked by inflammation lasting many days, months or even years, may lead to the formation of a chronic wound. Chronic inflammation is characterised by a dominating presence of macrophages in the injured tissue, which extravasate via the same methods discussed above (ICAM-1 VCAM-1). These cells are powerful defensive agents of the body, but the toxins they release (including reactive oxygen species) are injurious to the organism's own tissues as well as invading agents. This is why chronic inflammation is almost always accompanied by tissue destruction. Finally, an abscess, or a collection of pus, can form in chronic inflammation. - Wiki
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:32 AM   #5
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"During the course of my research I came across a product that specifically uses clinically proven anti-inflammatory, anti-DOMS enzymes and the research shows that these enzymes can reduce post-workout muscle inflammation by up to 63%."


I would love to know what this product is. I could really use it.
Uh, yeah... That would have been helpful
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Old 12-06-2006, 04:45 PM   #6
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Hello...

Hello everyone,

I'm glad that you all liked the article and found it informative. In the original article text, I did state the name of the product that I found in the course of my research but, for FTC regulations imposed on BB.com, they had to remove the specific product name from the article. This was not my choice, nor was I aware of this until I saw the published article and this was explained to me after I sent an e-mail to the editors.

But, I can tell you the name of the product here as this forum is based on free-speech as covered in the 1st amendment.

The product that I named in my article was Labrada Nutrition's Sorenzyme. Hope that helps.

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Old 12-07-2006, 09:26 AM   #7
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While not a heavy lifter I am used to the stiff sore feeling associated with working out. The best solution for upper and lower muscular and joint stiffness is STRETCHING!!! The beneifts of stretching for 5 minutes before and 15 after your workout bring back unbelievable returns for not only prevention of DOMS but also injuries. Check out the latest HOT product and read a little about the benefits at www.blackhawkstretcher.com.
Hugo Rivera is a big fan of the Black Hawk and we know his expertise.

This product will also be at the Arnold Expo in Ohio in March, I know the guy that sells them on e-bay and you can get them discounted from the retail price.
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Thanks Clayton. After doing some Googling I found it and ordered some from BB.com

I've been lifting heavy to gain some size and developed pain in my elbows. I know it's most likely tendonitis and figured this stuff might help instead of sucking down Ibuprofen every time I work out.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:41 PM   #9
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Thanks Clayton. After doing some Googling I found it and ordered some from BB.com

I've been lifting heavy to gain some size and developed pain in my elbows. I know it's most likely tendonitis and figured this stuff might help instead of sucking down Ibuprofen every time I work out.
Good idea. I've read countless studies on the effects of NSAID's - i.e. ibuprofin - and the results of the studies arent pretty. The research shows that they dramatically inhibit protein synthesis - i.e. the use of protein to build new muscle tissue. In fact, one study concluded that the effects are just as bad or worse than taking estrogen. OUCH!

I've not much used ibuprofin as I dont like to take pain meds if at all possible, but when you have tendonitis I guess you do what you can.

I had tendonitis a while back and Sorenzyme helped me reduce the inflammation. I was playing hockey and hyperextended my elbow and the joint was VERY sore, so I took Sorenzyme for a couple of days and the inflammation and soreness went away very quickly.

How did you get the tendonitis?

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The tendonitis is from a combination of things.

My wife had a baby over a year ago (Big boy over 10 lbs.) holding him for long periods of time at night along with doing skulls and heavy triceps work. I also happen to sleep on my side at night. I didn’t think that would have an effect on my arm but it has.

My order comes in today, so we’ll see what the out come is.
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... I did state the name of the product that I found in the course of my research but, for FTC regulations imposed on BB.com, they had to remove the specific product name from the article.
That's interesting. I thought the FTC was concerned with enforcing fair business practices and consumer protection from false advertising and other types of fraud. How does that relate to your article?
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Old 01-04-2007, 04:03 PM   #12
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That's interesting. I thought the FTC was concerned with enforcing fair business practices and consumer protection from false advertising and other types of fraud. How does that relate to your article?
That's the common perception, that the FTC fills this role. However, in actual practice, they're quite overzealous. As for how it relates to my article specifically, the answer is: it doesnt.

The FTC and the FDA have made it so that supplements can not make specific health claims. Even me, someone who writes about supplements and doesnt sell them - cant make specific claims if the company publishing my articles sells the products online. I can talk in general about ingredients in foods and the like, but as soon as you make a specific claim about a natrual product, it becomes classified as a drug as they have deemed that only the drug companies can make specific claims about their products. So, the FTC and FDA step in and censor what you write.

All websites now, from what I understand, and all articles on BB.com have product mentiones removed. I'm a writer, and I write about health issues, so product sales dont really concern me. Freedom of speech, however, is another issue and in the case of the supplement industry, it's seriously being infringed upon by regulatory agencies. I think people should be able to SAY what they want and others should be free to THINK what they want about it.

It's not my concern if people buy ingredients based on the research - thats for people to decide, but as a writer living in North America, I dont think there should be restrictions based on what people SAY.

Anways, Im getting off the point. It doesnt relate to my article, other than the fact that specific products cant be mentioned by name on websites that publish my stuff and also sell those articles. It's the same situation for all the writers now.

It's a brave new World. lol. Hope that helps!

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