Ron Kosloff - The Coming Conspiracy Of A Planned Pharmaceutical Menace.

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2500 years ago, Hippocrates, the father of nutrition and medicine, laid out the following 10 rules. What are they and how can it help you?

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[G.W. Hayduke]

Very good article. Though I expect a lot of backlash. It's surprising how defensive people get over their drug use. Welcome to 1984 my friend.

However, I do not think all things pharma are evil and I have met a small number of very good MDs (2 out of apprioximately the 15 I've met). But the large majority of it does not have the best interest of the public in mind. It is most of all a brain game.

I do wish the author hadn't mentioned "Natural Cures They Don't Want you to Know". That book was such a load of bull****. I've been studying all forms of naturopathy since I was 14 and when I saw this book, it was clear from the very beginning that it was full of ****. I think we'll start seeing more scam artists capitalizing on the anti-pharmaceutical trend. But it just goes to show how gullible people are. Whether they believe that they need popular drugs or that wearing white will synergize their energies... it's the same affliction, one of idiocy.

And the Church of Scientology... wow, talk about destroying your own argument. I really want to support where this article is going... but seriously, take yourself to wikipedia.com and search up Xenu. Now tell me why it is ludicrous that you even mention the Church of Scientology.

I've read some ignorant things in my time but I think this article takes the cake. There are so many things wrong with it I don't even know where to begin. I can't believe that Bodybuilding.com allowed this garbage to be posted on their site. Although I'm impressed this guy took a time out from hugging trees to write an article this long. In closing, Rob you have taken time from my life that I will never get back and for that YOU SUCK!

[G.W. Hayduke]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I've read some ignorant things in my time but I think this article takes the cake. There are so many things wrong with it I don't even know where to begin. I can't believe that Bodybuilding.com allowed this garbage to be posted on their site. Although I'm impressed this guy took a time out from hugging trees to write an article this long. In closing, Rob you have taken time from my life that I will never get back and for that YOU SUCK!

You're an idiot. You took time out of your own life to write a completely useless comment. Admittedly, the article has a lot of holes in it, but it seems that you have failed to grasp the picture, the purpose in its entirety. For that, YOU SUCK!

Originally Posted by Aeternitatis

it's the same affliction, one of idiocy.

Apparently your afflicted with this disease as well...oh wait according to your buddy Ron there is not such thing as a disease...

A wise man once said, "You cannot argue withsome who already knows it all." So I guess according to Ron i am just another idiot physician whom thinks this article is a long way from anything accurate. Yea im glad he can site reference to something 2500 yrs ago, we once believed the earth was the center of the universe too buddy!!!

[wichita123]

I really enjoyed the article...well most of it, it was to long to read all at once, maybe I'll finish it some other time. One of the biggest things that makes me question the medical field is there self righteous attitude that they are the only "way" in terms of health.

I once went to my mom to a doctor visit where she talked about her arthritis with him and how she was seeking alternative medicine(Chiropractic and nutritional supplementation). The doctor literally said I might as well bang pots and pans above your head and chant strange words because that will do about the same thing. What was he pushing? A drug called methotrexate I believe. A drug that apparently causes liver damage. To what extent? I'm not entirely sure but I've been led to believe that it can be quite severe. Almost needless to say, my mother is doing much better and has improved greatly from more natural remedies.

In Chiropractic medicine the philosophy is that the body is the worlds best healer. If you get injured, you don't even have to think about it and your body mobilizes a huge effort to heal you. There are things you can do to help this process of course (rest,nutrition). (I am planning on attending a Chiropractic college in a little over a year.)

Medical doctors do have there place as he says and it is in delivering babies, performing cosmetic surgery, setting broken bones, treating trauma, removing appendix, and so on. They should not be dabbling in nutrition because they know nothing about it. (Or more reasonably because nutrition is not there area of expertise.) There are definitely times when emergency surgeries and the like must be done and for that I am grateful that we have doctors for that.

Yeh it's funny this author would write about growing up on the farm and bash agriculture for depleting soil nutrients. Was he dong anything about their farming practices then. He also states farmers should grow more crops so it can be manufactured into bio fuels. Is that not going to deplete soils at a faster rate? If so, I can see a surplus of petrochemicals and coal tars which are going to be needed so we can get our minerals because the soil is going to be more depleted than ever.

It was also stated that people are brainwashed through tv ads, magazines, newspapers. Which people are falling victim into believing medical untruths. Yet Paul Harvey can have a guest present a different opinion and their word is now believable. Gosh, it was on Paul Harvey, it must be true. Its got to be true right? Paul Harvey? Radio? A medical professional? Now we know the rest of the story.

Good day.

PS- This article needed more substance, fiber if you will, as there was too much **** in it. Not all of it, just most of it. The author seems paranoid about doctors, he should get that checked out by a nutritionist.

[randomality]

I think the main message of this article is good, and so are it's intentions. I think there are some holes in the argument, but looking at the big picture, some of the stuff is valid. I do agree that people need to stray away from processed foods and pharmaceuticals, and get back to eating and excercising. In my psychology class, we were discussing the physical health and aging, and the topic of disease prevention and and cures came up. In all the cases of people being studied, they founf that excercise and better nutrition was responsible for better psychological and physiological health as compared with those that took some kind of medication. I myslef am prime example of this, and so are the people who are displaying themselves as transformations of the week on bb.com. I made my nutrition better, started excercising more, and took nutritional supplements like vitamins and minerals, and the the quality of my life just got so much better. I went from a 270~260 pounds, fat, lonely, and chronically sick, to 200 with 8% bodyfat, more outgoing, feeling better about my life, and never sick! There is some truth to this article and I hope people grasp it.

Like Ron said, its all about bottom lines and profit margins. And like I said, this website doesn't give a **** about what it puts on here anymore, as long as you and I keep coming back and reading it. Then they can tell the the supplement companies how much traffic they get and why bb.com should have their product. And hopefully everytime you read an article, whether it has anything to do with bodybuilding or not, you'll buy something while you are here.

This isn't bodybuilding.com anymore, its more like whatevergetsusbusiness.com

This article is completely moronic. "There is not such thing as a disease" give me a f***king break. Try to cure cancer or AIDS with just food. lol. What your article resemble to me is that you are someone who got kicked out of medical school for being a complete moron. By the way one of the greeks like Hippocrates said also that there was only 4 elements and ether and that Spontaneous generation (the fact that life is created from nowhere) was how the life was created, yes I am refering to Aristotle who was the greatest of them all. Imagine what kind of idiotic things you are saying. We are in the 21st century my friend. There is no need of retrograd morons atacking technology and medical science with this kind of arguments.

Then, based on this article I will prepare foods for the cancer patients, for the infected with AIDS, for the ones that caught Ebola virus and those with Malaria and they will be cured with only foods. Everyone just drop your medicines to treat this and suscribe to the church of Scientology and with food and Thetan cure all your diseases!!!!!!!!! You are a complete idiot if you follow whatever this moron says.

It had to be a nutritionist, those are very mad with doctors because the most of them are retards. Not all, mainly the ones bashing doctors.

This is by far, one of the most ridiculous rants I have ever read. Seriously, what is your advanced degree in?

The only thing you are correct about, is the fact that there is a pill for every ill. You just took that...and everything else, a little ridiculously to far...

Is that you Tom Cruise?

Does BB.com realize that this article being on their frontpage makes them look like a flipping joke?

I want to know where this guy went to school. Anyone under the age of 5 can apprehend that the author is full of ****. Not one source - just full of anecdotal references and cute quotes from Hippocrates and the Bible. I think the best one is the parents who got their baby taken away. We're not living in Maoist China. This article is a joke- no such things as diseases. How do you explain a plague or the AIDS you got from your buddy Vince? I wish they wouldn't use "coal pits and oil tars" to synthesize drugs anymore... Molecules are molecules buddy whether they are pure (synthesis) or extracted from FOODS. This guy must have flunked out of orgo 101 and is now jealous of his colleagues who became MDs. OK its been a fun waste of time but I'm gonna go eat some more FOOD so I can help my brain recover from your article. DO NOT READ HIS ARTICLES - YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE DUMBER UPON FURTHER READING

[AnaerobicAndrew]

Although he makes some decent points in this article, his conspiracy theorey rhetoric and monolithic language detracts from the credibility of his claims. I dont care how bad you think pharmecutical companies are, you cannot equate them with fascists or communists on any level.

Trust me, I'm German, and I have a lot of experience with both. Hitler and MD/Drug companies have absolutely nothing in common. If you think otherwise, congrats... you're officially insane.

Heres a conspiracy theorey for you...this article is proof that the church of Scientology is trying to take over our brains...

I'd be curious to hear some good arguments about why this guy is so wrong? So far people are just saying this guy is an idiot and leaving it at that. I agree that he does come across a little extreme in some places. I'd like to hear an argument for how the pharmaceutical companies are not a large business with making money at the front of their intentions.
I recently read that the pharmaceutical companies spend more than 10 billion a year to market their products which is much more than they spend on testing the safety of the drugs.
The advancements in drugs and surgery have had some awesome affects but the main point is that they are pushed and accepted to be the primary care a person gets. They should be the last. And if you don't believe that then I'd like to hear a solid case against it.

[G.W. Hayduke]

Originally Posted by Unregistered3

I'd be curious to hear some good arguments about why this guy is so wrong? So far people are just saying this guy is an idiot and leaving it at that. I agree that he does come across a little extreme in some places. I'd like to hear an argument for how the pharmaceutical companies are not a large business with making money at the front of their intentions.
I recently read that the pharmaceutical companies spend more than 10 billion a year to market their products which is much more than they spend on testing the safety of the drugs.
The advancements in drugs and surgery have had some awesome affects but the main point is that they are pushed and accepted to be the primary care a person gets. They should be the last. And if you don't believe that then I'd like to hear a solid case against it.

His overall point is a good one. Like the "1984" warning. It's just something good to keep in mind and be aware of.

But he used horrible points to back himself up and was a little too overzealous in what he was saying. No one should trust a fanatic (which is wierd considering our president). I happen to know what he was trying to say becasue I've done the research into most of his arguments and the numbers do stand mostly in support of what he says. He just didn't do a good job of saying it.

And while I don't fully support pharmaceutical drugs, I am VERY grateful for the diagnostic capabilities of western medicine particularly when it comes to skeletal/nervous system injuries.

[QUOTE=Aeternitatis]... I happen to know what he was trying to say becasue I've done the research into most of his arguments and the numbers do stand mostly in support of what he says. He just didn't do a good job of saying it...

Yeah I see what you're saying. He didn't back his stuff up well. I probably just felt like it was backed up because I have seen a lot similar ideas in a lot of other places as I have also looked into it quite a bit.

Just a side note...I don't think you would think our President was so fanatical if you recognized the plans and goals of the Muslim extremists. I recently heard a Major General speak on the topic who discussed the nature of the "war." The "extremists" own words are that they want to set up a Muslim empire larger than it has ever been in history. Iraq is just the starting place, the picture is much bigger than that. You can believe this or not but there is no denying that the "extremists" are willing to overwhelming lengths in the name of their religion.

Wichita123,

Their; they're; there. Learn them, appreciate them. Maybe the reason for "there" self-righteous attitude is because "there" actually able to write a coherent sentence.

Science IS the "only way" in terms of not just health, but of everything in the physical world. If something doesn't work, it doesn't work, whether or not some nutjob, faith healer, or chiropractor wants it to work.

Yeah, doctors are self-righteous, yet to you "there" only good for "delivering babies, setting broken bones, treating trauma, etc." And you graduated from med school when?

Just because "your" unable to appreciate science and "you're" pseudoscientific beliefs were mocked by the doctor doesn't mean he's self-righteous. It means he's a good doctor who didn't want his patient to get sucked into the world of quackery that is Chiropractic.

There are definitely times when emergency surgeries and the like must be done and for that I am grateful that we have doctors for that.

Spoken like a true altie: bemoan and insult the medical profession, but when push comes to shove, you readily abandon your pseudoscience and beg for the medical profession, based on real science, to help you.

I'm not a doctor, nor am I even a med student, but I simply hate when practitioners of pseudoscientific nonsense like Chiropractic and other altie "treatments" complain about trained medical professionals who have the temerity (ie. professional integrity) to rightfully point out that "they're" pseudoscientific nonsense is in fact that: nonsense.

all im going to say is that these pharmaceutical companies dont care about the people. Both the companies and "drug dealers" owe no loyalty to their clients. The only people they owe loyalty are the share holders of the company, thats it. So, for a headache, they would probably prescribe you to go sit by the muffler of a car while it runs and guess what! Most knuckle heads on this site would probably go and do it. What a shame.