David Robson - Personal Transformation: Part Three.

**webmaster** · 01-19-2006, 05:28 PM

The inspirational stories from interviews I have done in the past have prompted me to start my own quest. At this time I am setting some new bodybuilding goals for 2006. Check out part three of this great plan!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson143.htm

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01-20-2006, 04:37 AM

5% body fat?????? Not a chance! He is AT LEAST 10%, but probably closet to 12%. The guy has no cuts at all.

LightCrow · 01-20-2006, 08:45 AM

Since there's little to no ab defintion I would go as high as 14-15% maybe.

TheSlash · 01-20-2006, 08:49 AM

His last articles were just as bad. 5% BF is so idiotic to say in that article. He is around 13-15% BF, cant see any abs, no real cuts in ANY muscle on his body.

I mean its a good bulk, but comon buddy no one even slightly believes you.

Trapzillaoo7 · 01-20-2006, 10:02 AM

I was going to say the same thing. I am around 10% and WAYYYYY leaner than him.

01-20-2006, 10:03 AM

I hate to see him at 12 % bodyfat!!! I hate when people throw bodyfat percentages out there. If you are natural 5% bodyfat is contest condition. Your abs and serratus are CLEARLY visible, your quads will be shredded, and you quad/ham seperation is clearly visible. This guy is as smooth as a baby's behind! He is probably one of those guys who tells you he is 2% bodyfat the day of a contest. What a tool!

01-21-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I hate to see him at 12 % bodyfat!!! I hate when people throw bodyfat percentages out there. If you are natural 5% bodyfat is contest condition. Your abs and serratus are CLEARLY visible, your quads will be shredded, and you quad/ham seperation is clearly visible. This guy is as smooth as a baby's behind! He is probably one of those guys who tells you he is 2% bodyfat the day of a contest. What a tool!

David determined his body fat composition using valid skin fold methods.

He took the skin fold measurements and followed the formula for determining the % body fat calculations using this data.

What you can't do is estimate % body fat from photos.

Variables, such as skin thickness and subcutaneous water play a big role in muscle definition.

Yes, many male bodybuilders have extremely low body fat levels the day of the contest, and also follow contest prep approaches to reduce subcutaneous water. A few days after the contest, they usually smooth out fast.

Get some skin fold calipers and do some testing and learning about this and see for yourself.

Think about it this way, using David's 182.5 pound body weight, 10% to 16% body fat would be about 18.25 to 29.20 pounds of fat. When you have this much body fat, it shows in clumps around the body. Take a close look at David's photo, he has virtually no subcutaneous body fat, his skin is very tight.

From using body composition measurements, David was able to keep track of his muscle building progress. A major point about David’s progress is that he gained over 10 pounds of lean body mass in about 8 weeks. This is incredible progress.

When he does his final contest prep phase his muscles definition will be revealed.

Congratulations on the progress David.

You are an inspiration, and role model of what can be accomplished when using a scientific approach to natural bodybuilding training, nutrition and supplements.

chickeneater · 01-21-2006, 03:20 PM

props to Dave on the hard work. good physique and progress for sure. but...if he's been 4-5% bf lately, then what %bf is he in that old contest pic where he's ripped? 1%? 0%? -1%

LightCrow · 01-21-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Gastelu

David determined his body fat composition using valid skin fold methods.

He took the skin fold measurements and followed the formula for determining the % body fat calculations using this data.

What you can't do is estimate % body fat from photos.

Variables, such as skin thickness and subcutaneous water play a big role in muscle definition.

Yes, many male bodybuilders have extremely low body fat levels the day of the contest, and also follow contest prep approaches to reduce subcutaneous water. A few days after the contest, they usually smooth out fast.

I looked again. He didn't lose any body fat since the last time I checked. He's still in the 14-15% range. If he needs a reference as to what 5% body fat looks like in picture form, I would direct you and him to look up some pictures of Timberwolf. I just saw some and he is definately 5% in some of his.

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LightCrow · 01-21-2006, 07:01 PM

I agree there, the articles here are a joke any more. Lately I've been sticking to reading articles on t-nation.com since they always are putting forth new ideas. Maybe it's because I know more than I did a couple of years ago and bb.com is more for newbs than anyone with experience. Otherwise the articles here are always rehashes of old stuff and rarely better than the old articles.

01-22-2006, 12:59 AM

he is no where near 5% bodyfat so just shut up!

01-22-2006, 01:05 AM

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TheSlash · 01-22-2006, 10:35 AM

So yea if hes 4 to 5% right now, and the body needs 2-3% just to live, how is he going to get cut dropping 1% body fat?

You can't say hes holding a ton of water either because I am sure he drinks his water and watches sodium.

Just go get him in one of those hydrostatic machines and come post a pic of the scanned sheet, then we will all believe you.

Until then, NO ONE does.

See, it is a great transformation, but its been ruined by crazy fibs.

chickeneater · 01-23-2006, 04:35 AM

usually he comes in and bails Daniel G. out w/ a kind word or two on his articles, but even he must be too flabbergasted w/ the claim of 5% bf.

01-23-2006, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Gastelu

David determined his body fat composition using valid skin fold methods.

He took the skin fold measurements and followed the formula for determining the % body fat calculations using this data.

What you can't do is estimate % body fat from photos.

Variables, such as skin thickness and subcutaneous water play a big role in muscle definition.

Yes, many male bodybuilders have extremely low body fat levels the day of the contest, and also follow contest prep approaches to reduce subcutaneous water. A few days after the contest, they usually smooth out fast.

Get some skin fold calipers and do some testing and learning about this and see for yourself.

Think about it this way, using David's 182.5 pound body weight, 10% to 16% body fat would be about 18.25 to 29.20 pounds of fat. When you have this much body fat, it shows in clumps around the body. Take a close look at David's photo, he has virtually no subcutaneous body fat, his skin is very tight.

From using body composition measurements, David was able to keep track of his muscle building progress. A major point about David’s progress is that he gained over 10 pounds of lean body mass in about 8 weeks. This is incredible progress.

When he does his final contest prep phase his muscles definition will be revealed.

Congratulations on the progress David.

You are an inspiration, and role model of what can be accomplished when using a scientific approach to natural bodybuilding training, nutrition and supplements.

I am sorry, what did you say? It sounded very muffled and I could barely make out what you said. Either speak up or get your head out of David's rear end!

01-27-2006, 09:28 AM

I think a better transformation to compare to is Derek's

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast24.htm

Note that Derek reports a 6.3 % bodyfat and he looks similar to David in terms of muscle definition.

Also note that David is getting better results, because David is gaining lean body mass while Derek is losing lean body mass.

David's training, nutrition and supplement program is working to get him fantastic natural bodybuilding results.

This is great news for bodybuilders getting ready for contests this year, and who want to follow a scientific approach that gets them great results like David Robson.

TheSlash · 01-27-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Gastelu

I think a better transformation to compare to is Derek's

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast24.htm

Note that Derek reports a 6.3 % bodyfat and he looks similar to David in terms of muscle definition.

Also note that David is getting better results, because David is gaining lean body mass while Derek is losing lean body mass.

David's training, nutrition and supplement program is working to get him fantastic natural bodybuilding results.

This is great news for bodybuilders getting ready for contests this year, and who want to follow a scientific approach that gets them great results like David Robson.

But the guy in your link is NOWHERE close to 6.3% bodyfat. I would believe in the 12 area. Zero definition in the abs, not much anywhere else either. Has some great size, great great size, but again your comparing to another skewed claim.

bhman6 · 01-31-2006, 04:08 PM

I think Dan should stop trying to argue about David's "amazing" natural transformation

he even went so far as to belittle Derek's conditioning and muscle loss

bhman6 · 01-31-2006, 04:12 PM

here was me about 2 weeks out from my show, tested in at 4.6% using a 7-site caliper method. I tested 4.1% 2 days out from my show with the 7-site caliper test and 8.6% using a DEXA scan, which also measures visceral fat.

http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_018F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_019F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_020F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_015F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_056F.JPG

and not to boast on my own development, but David's conditioning looks nowhere near mine did at a "similar" bodyfat level

TheSlash · 01-31-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bhman6

here was me about 2 weeks out from my show, tested in at 4.6% using a 7-site caliper method. I tested 4.1% 2 days out from my show with the 7-site caliper test and 8.6% using a DEXA scan, which also measures visceral fat.

http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_018F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_019F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_020F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_015F.JPG
http://www.benhartman.com/images/MVC_056F.JPG

and not to boast on my own development, but David's conditioning looks nowhere near mine did at a "similar" bodyfat level

^^Yep thats what 5%ish looks like. Nice chest bhman6!

bhman6 · 01-31-2006, 05:46 PM

thanks slash

03-18-2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhman6

I think Dan should stop trying to argue about David's "amazing" natural transformation

he even went so far as to belittle Derek's conditioning and muscle loss

I made a quick scientific observation of his "data" bhman6, nothing personal intended.

I think Derek is one of the best, and he is a fine example of what a bodybuilder should be. And it looks like his lean body mass is under control. This is the scientific process at work. Why take and report on data, without using or commenting on it?

What are typical gains in lean body mass you have experienced in a few to several month period?

What do you consider "poor, typical, good, or amazing"?

Those are some great photos you posted links to.

Do you have any photos at a higher % body fat for comparison to show how just a percentage or two increase from where you are in the photos can have on muscle definition?

Depending on subcutaneous water and the thickness of skin and fascia, a bodybuilder can be at 5.5% bodyfat and not show much definition, but at 4.5 to 4% bodyfat, the muscles start showing like yours.

What kind of variation between people have you seen? What about at different ages, when there are changes in subcutaneous bodyfat distribution?

Thanks for the input.