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Old 10-03-2005, 06:15 PM   #1
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Louis Dorman - Sex And The Evolution Of A Fit Couple.

Men are driven by symbols of fertility that women possess, and vice versa. In addition you both need to be on the same page to stay fit and have a great sexual chemistry. Get the nitty gritty details right here!

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Duh! Of Course it's necessary!

Do you think your fitness journey is a personal journey? Well I suggest you start getting used to being by yourself because one of the biggest decisions you will ever make in your life is choosing a mate: and you better be sure that this person houses the same passionate, strong-willed, determined and motivational characterisitics you possess or if not: get ready for a long, challenging, unhealthy life ahead.

If you are blessed to already have such a mate, then kudos to you...otherwise, this article best suits those who need some guidance and support on how to help their significant other get inspired by sharing your healthy lifestyle.

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Please, for the love of god, stop writing. That article was utterly pathetic. An article must have a point and purpose other than just saying what it is you like or like to do. There was absolutely no useful info there....just obvious stuff.
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Duh! Of Course it's necessary!

Do you think your fitness journey is a personal journey? Well I suggest you start getting used to being by yourself because one of the biggest decisions you will ever make in your life is choosing a mate: and you better be sure that this person houses the same passionate, strong-willed, determined and motivational characterisitics you possess or if not: get ready for a long, challenging, unhealthy life ahead.

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Please, for the love of god, stop writing. That article was utterly pathetic. An article must have a point and purpose other than just saying what it is you like or like to do. There was absolutely no useful info there....just obvious stuff.
POINT:

In order for HUMAN EVOLUTION to take place, our world needs people who have SEXUAL CHEMISTRY, and in order to create chemistry you must possess some SEXUAL SYMBOLS to attract a mate...these symbols are created by those who are FIT and HEALTHY because those who are healthy have certain charateristics that people who read articles on bodybuilding.com seek.


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FIT COUPLE = SEXUAL SYMBOLS = SEXUAL CHEMISTRY = HUMAN EVOLUTION.

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In order for HUMAN EVOLUTION to take place, our world needs people who have SEXUAL CHEMISTRY, and in order to create chemistry you must possess some SEXUAL SYMBOLS to attract a mate...these symbols are created by those who are FIT and HEALTHY because those who are healthy have certain charateristics that people who read articles on bodybuilding.com seek.


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FIT COUPLE = SEXUAL SYMBOLS = SEXUAL CHEMISTRY = HUMAN EVOLUTION.

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Wow. That is reeallly blunt.
Gee, now I get it! How could I have been so stupid?
You and Louis are the Charles Darwins of sexuality.....give me a break. That makes the article even more absurd.
Beyond the argument of the legitimacy/ existence of a point, if any....the second problem with the article is its necessity. To put it simply,...not needed. It was based on common knowledge and basic observations. ***What, you mean fit, sexy people attract and are themselves attracted to other sexy people?!? WTF??*** No sh*t Sherlock.
And for the record, in my last post, not only did I give my honest opinion, I tried to explain why I felt that way and what was wrong with the piece.
This is not the first such article from Louis, as I am sure you know. The feedback has not been favorable to be blunt (since you're into bluntness).

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some advice: Don't force it. Dont submit articles just because... You'll know when you've got something good.
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haha i find lousis'es arcticles hilarious, every article he writes seems to do so with the purpose of feeding mens insecuritys and making them more body-conscious. In every shot his with some random hotty he then portrays that its his fab-body getting him there, nice transformation but very corny persona reads like a typical david d'angelo book. But hell if it sells supps
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some advice: Don't force it. Dont submit articles just because... You'll know when you've got something good.
I love the article,..Sexual desire is a HUGE motivation for this fitness lifestyle.

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In order for HUMAN EVOLUTION to take place, our world needs people who have SEXUAL CHEMISTRY, and in order to create chemistry you must possess some SEXUAL SYMBOLS to attract a mate...these symbols are created by those who are FIT and HEALTHY because those who are healthy have certain charateristics that people who read articles on bodybuilding.com seek.


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LOL @ the excessive use of caps....btw nice first post. Not.
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POINT:

In order for HUMAN EVOLUTION to take place, our world needs people who have SEXUAL CHEMISTRY, and in order to create chemistry you must possess some SEXUAL SYMBOLS to attract a mate...these symbols are created by those who are FIT and HEALTHY because those who are healthy have certain charateristics that people who read articles on bodybuilding.com seek.


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FIT COUPLE = SEXUAL SYMBOLS = SEXUAL CHEMISTRY = HUMAN EVOLUTION.

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I completely agree with you Maria and I know how it is. I loved the article and thought it was perfect. Don't listen to all these haters, their probably just mad they can't meet any hot chics or any chics for that matter.
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Wow. That is reeallly blunt.
Gee, now I get it! How could I have been so stupid?
You and Louis are the Charles Darwins of sexuality.....give me a break. That makes the article even more absurd.
Beyond the argument of the legitimacy/ existence of a point, if any....the second problem with the article is its necessity. To put it simply,...not needed. It was based on common knowledge and basic observations. ***What, you mean fit, sexy people attract and are themselves attracted to other sexy people?!? WTF??*** No sh*t Sherlock.
And for the record, in my last post, not only did I give my honest opinion, I tried to explain why I felt that way and what was wrong with the piece.
This is not the first such article from Louis, as I am sure you know. The feedback has not been favorable to be blunt (since you're into bluntness).

Louis,
some advice: Don't force it. Dont submit articles just because... You'll know when you've got something good.

lmao bb.com is alwais posting articles from the first "guru" that shows up

it seems like it's more about quantity more than quality..because more articles attract more customers..even if the information is misleading..that right there reason why i never buy from bb.com
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I love the article,..Sexual desire is a HUGE motivation for this fitness lifestyle.

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Louis I am so happy you got the nerve to lose over 140 pounds of fat so that I can visually notice the strength underneath the fat.

Now that you've caught my attention, I know that there's more depth to you than most people are blessed to know.

If you should battle the bulge again, as your partner, and because I understand the fitness lifestyle, I will continuously help and support you...not only because I will be an inspiration for you...but because you are inspiration to me. That is the mentalitiy of a FIT couple. ;-)

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Louis I am so happy you got the nerve to lose over 140 pounds of fat so that I can visually notice the strength underneath the fat.

Now that you've caught my attention, I know that there's more depth to you than most people are blessed to know.

If you should battle the bulge again, as your partner, and because I understand the fitness lifestyle, I will continuously help and support you...not only because I will be an inspiration for you...but because you are inspiration to me. That is the mentalitiy of a FIT couple. ;-)

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Louis I am so happy you got the nerve to lose over 140 pounds of fat so that I can visually notice the strength underneath the fat.

Now that you've caught my attention, I know that there's more depth to you than most people are blessed to know.

If you should battle the bulge again, as your partner, and because I understand the fitness lifestyle, I will continuously help and support you...not only because I will be an inspiration for you...but because you are inspiration to me. That is the mentalitiy of a FIT couple. ;-)

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Louis I am so happy you got the nerve to lose over 140 pounds of fat so that I can visually notice the strength underneath the fat.

Now that you've caught my attention, I know that there's more depth to you than most people are blessed to know.

If you should battle the bulge again, as your partner, and because I understand the fitness lifestyle, I will continuously help and support you...not only because I will be an inspiration for you...but because you are inspiration to me. That is the mentalitiy of a FIT couple. ;-)

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Maria,
Almost every article I've seen Louis write has him posing with countless different women, in addition to writing about what he can do to sleep with them. Why don't you feel embarassed to be with him? Instead you say you feel "blessed" to be with some guy who has made it a point to brag about getting as many girls as possible. Why exactly do you think you're different than any of these other women? How can you feel special when he's done everything he can to be with who knows how many women before you? Is treating women like objects the "depth" you're talking about? Is that what you find so "inspirational"?

I think it's disgusting how he acts like getting in shape is only about bedding as many women as possible. There are lots of guys who work out for respectable reasons, and he's making all of us look bad.

From the comments you see after many of his articles, including this one, it's obvious that most people are tired of reading his articles. This site should be about health, fitness and bodybuilding, not smut. His articles make this whole site and bodybuilders in general look bad.
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Almost every article I've seen Louis write has him posing with countless different women, in addition to writing about what he can do to sleep with them. Why don't you feel embarassed to be with him? Instead you say you feel "blessed" to be with some guy who has made it a point to brag about getting as many girls as possible. Why exactly do you think you're different than any of these other women? How can you feel special when he's done everything he can to be with who knows how many women before you? Is treating women like objects the "depth" you're talking about? Is that what you find so "inspirational"?

I think it's disgusting how he acts like getting in shape is only about bedding as many women as possible. There are lots of guys who work out for respectable reasons, and he's making all of us look bad.

From the comments you see after many of his articles, including this one, it's obvious that most people are tired of reading his articles. This site should be about health, fitness and bodybuilding, not smut. His articles make this whole site and bodybuilders in general look bad.
It was poorly written.

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As a health professional, I visit this site weekly, yet never have posted on the boards. I have read about Louis's transformation and progression, which admittedly was wonderful. Unfortunately, there was a point early after his transformation that showed how much this affected him psychologically.

The transformation article was great, but subsequent titles have shown how getting his self-confidence seemed to put him in "sex sponge" mode! Posting all of the shots with him and many different women literally speaks volumes. You will be hard-pressed to find a guy that doesn't think of sex all day long, but the pics always seemed to show him with a veritable "harem". 8 )

I read the "Sex and Evolution" title, and was interested to read something a lot more professional than what was given. I really did think the article was rather pointless.

The interesting and yet dangerous thing about this awesome site is that you get a HUGE diversity of article quality/professionalism. You have your PhDs and established health and fitness / bodybuilding professionals posting articles that are given the same virtual "coverage" as any "Jo Blow" who made improvements to their body, looks sexy, and has a personal website.

Oh well...just my thoughts. We live and learn. I need to start scanning articles for authors to avoid.

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I admittedly agree that the posting of pictures of me with women in the past doesn’t represent my character well…which is why ‘symbols’, whether it be in the form of a picture, or large shoulders for men, an hour glass figure for women…all in some way shape or form represent ‘something.’

My entire life I underwent a battle of being very overweight. It took a lot of discipline, willpower, focus and faith to lose over 150 pounds. Like any success, you strive for rewards: and I am brave enough to admit that attracting women was what I visualized every time I didn’t want to work out or eat ice cream. That was what motivated me then.

Today what motivates me is Maria. I hardly dated for over a year after I became more entrenched with bodybuilding.com and my personal business. I realize today that my physical success was not only motivated by my desire to be a sexual symbol for women, but it also was motivated from a deep, internal lack of value I felt when I was criticized, insulted and avoided when I was ‘fat.’ What drove my last article with Maria is experience and education.

I may not be a psychologist, an anthropologist, or a biologist: but I am a man who was born in a small town, lost 150 pounds and now met a woman who shares not only the same will power I have to live a healthy lifestyle, but also help other’s in their personal journeys. My last article were techinques me and Maria use to support each other.

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I may not be a psychologist, an anthropologist, or a biologist: but I am a man who was born in a small town, lost 150 pounds and now met a woman who shares not only the same will power I have to live a healthy lifestyle, but also help other’s in their personal journeys.
And I'm just a girl from a trailer park, who had a dream.

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In order for HUMAN EVOLUTION to take place, our world needs people who have SEXUAL CHEMISTRY, and in order to create chemistry you must possess some SEXUAL SYMBOLS to attract a mate...these symbols are created by those who are FIT and HEALTHY because those who are healthy have certain charateristics that people who read articles on bodybuilding.com seek.


PURPOSE:

FIT COUPLE = SEXUAL SYMBOLS = SEXUAL CHEMISTRY = HUMAN EVOLUTION.

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What does evolution have to do with this? Unless he his having babies with each of the women pictured it would have nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is strictly passing your genes to offspring that later are able to reproduce successfully. That's it.
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I read the article and while I can admire Louis' transformation and ability to change his body, his mental attitude could use some work IMHO.

I hope that he and Maria have a relationship that goes beyond the stereotypical, fitness-based, PUA mentality he seems to advocate in his transformation guide. If so, I'm glad for them - if not, I'm sorry because I doubt it will last.

Louis - your newfound self confidence with women is great, but it would be more interesting if it I could find any indication that it is based on more than your looks. As it stands, you remind me of 1,000 guys I can see every night in Scottsdale (I know you know the clubs), but you just have a better story to tell - "hey what do you think of these old pictures of me when I was fat" - probably a great pickup line.

Not trying to put you down, but I'm hoping the two of you can look beyond the purely physical aspects of relationships if you're going to continue writing articles.
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Wow. That is reeallly blunt.
Gee, now I get it! How could I have been so stupid?
You and Louis are the Charles Darwins of sexuality.....give me a break. That makes the article even more absurd.
Beyond the argument of the legitimacy/ existence of a point, if any....the second problem with the article is its necessity. To put it simply,...not needed. It was based on common knowledge and basic observations. ***What, you mean fit, sexy people attract and are themselves attracted to other sexy people?!? WTF??*** No sh*t Sherlock.
And for the record, in my last post, not only did I give my honest opinion, I tried to explain why I felt that way and what was wrong with the piece.
This is not the first such article from Louis, as I am sure you know. The feedback has not been favorable to be blunt (since you're into bluntness).

Louis,
some advice: Don't force it. Dont submit articles just because... You'll know when you've got something good.

I usually like what Big "L" does. Have to admit, this one I did not dig as much. But everybody has their motivator. Louis is definitely all about the after party party. Nothing wrong with that, I've killed my quota of shaggy leopards, still enjoy the shagging, but like articles more focused on the work itself. Personal preference. I guess that is why the site has so many different articles......
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Louis I am so happy you got the nerve to lose over 140 pounds of fat so that I can visually notice the strength underneath the fat.

Now that you've caught my attention, I know that there's more depth to you than most people are blessed to know.

If you should battle the bulge again, as your partner, and because I understand the fitness lifestyle, I will continuously help and support you...not only because I will be an inspiration for you...but because you are inspiration to me. That is the mentalitiy of a FIT couple. ;-)

For more of candid talk on balance between idealism and realism visit my site:
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Holy crap, I don't know what I find more upsetting. On tha one hand you see Maria spewing 'toxic love' and making posts like this that directly taps into Louis' insecurities. On tha other, you have Louis who feeds into this. It strikes a cord with me because I've walked down a similar path due to my disability. Only in my case I can't just drop a few pounds and 'have it go away'. See thats tha thing Louis has yet to realize IMO... it's just an illusion, a false sense of security. It will never go away until he works on his emotional well-being just as hard as he worked on his outward appearance. From an outsiders perspective based on my social work/ counseling background, I feel a relationship with Maria (given what she has said) could prove to be a bad idea in tha long run. Relationships such as these do nothing to facilitate personal maturity and growth.

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As a young lad I recall an incident whereupon I had gone to the local store to get a loaf of bread for my mother. As I rounded the aisle to the bakery goods I saw a large powerfully built man with a long trench coat do a partial squat and drop a large turd in the middle of the aisle. Afterwards he went about his shopping completely unaware that I had been watching. On many instances over the course of my childhood I saw other men dropping turds and urinating in public. I wondered why.

It wasn't till years later after much study and questioning of those who did these ghastly deeds that I discovered the significance of their actions. Here are my findings.

Urinating and deficating in public places raises serum testosterone levels in the blood. The average male produces 7 mg of testosterone a day as opposed to 10 mg for those who urinate and deficate in public. Testosterone raises strength levels which causes an increase in physical size if work output is increased. Deficating and urinating in public is one of the ancient secrets of bodybuilding and the strength related sports (powerlifting, olympic lifting, etc). The information on it has never been published. You can probably guess why.

Predatory mammals, of which man is included (forward vision), are territorial. In the canines the dominant male marks a territory with urine. Serum testosterone levels rise in accordance with physical differences of any other canine upon whose territory he may be intruding upon. This is one of the factors that signal genetic mutation if and only if mating occurs during the period of hormonal elevation. It is part of an event that cannot be defined but accounts for the variation in species, especially domestic varieties. It also occurs in man but can be manipulated to a greater degree. Mans conciousness is aware of the interaction, whereas a dogs is not.

Here are some simple ways that can increase testosterone production.

1. Cut the seat out of an old pair of pants, put on an old trench coat, and go shopping. When no one is looking, drop a turd in the middle of the aisle. Animals mark territory in relation the size of their food source. Make sure your food source is the largest grocery store you can find. "Giant Food", an East Coast chain is a good store. You also get the psychological word association of "large' from the name of the store.

2. Anytime you urinate or deficate in public never flush. This essentially is the same as marking. You are displaying your waste products for the competing males.

3. Find the biggest, meanest guy in town, and piss and **** on his doorstep every chance you get. I would suggest that you do this after dark so as to reduce the chance of getting caught. He might not take to kindly to your actions. You might even want to insert a little humor into the action by signing the toilet paper you leave behind with a signature. "Elvis" might be appropriate. Whatever you do don't autograph it with that of some bodybuilding superstar. He might make the the connection to you.

4. Let lots of farts in the presence of others. They will leave the area thereby reinforcing your psych that you are the dominant male. Whether it is true or not socially it is of little importance. Testosterone levels will be rising.

Generally, anything you can do to trigger negative responses in others will increase hormone levels in the male. But only if the individual mind is assured that the negative response has occured. If you want to check it out just stick around and listen to the comments of others as the wheel of their shopping cart runs over a big turd. Or listen to the string of obscenities that erupt from your neighbor's mouth as he steps out his front door in the morning only to plant his foot on a large soft brown log.

Finally there are the legal implications of your actions. If you are laying logs on someones front porch I suggest you dress up like a lumberjack with a plastic axe. If you were to carry a real one around someone might misinterpret and consider you a real danger. Get a T-Shirt with the slogan "Lumbering Jack, the Logging Man" emblazoned on the back. Or you may want to just imprint "Paul Bunyan" on it and get a small Pomeranian and dye it blue. If you are caught just start babbling that your pet "Babe the Blue Fox" did it. At the most they'll just charge you with criminal mischief and send you to a shrink for evaluation. No big deal. You'll just have to be more careful the next time around.

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Upon further reflection, I realize the whole article was just an excuse for Maria to show off the pictures of herself and promote her web-site. ...pass!
I for one, can do without the candit talk on the balance between idealism and realism.....or the extreme bluntness.
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