Joel Tietge - The Best Whey: A Review Of The Most Popular Whey Proteins On The Market.

[webmaster]

My goal here was to review most of the major whey protein powders on the market. Read on to learn what the results were of some common protein powders and how they stacked up against each other.

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[eLOT]

Why didnt you review ATW protien? Its good stuff.

What about Dave Draper's Bomber Blend?

[str8flexed]

there are literally hundreds of protein powders out there... i'm sure he just went with some of bodybuilding.com's top sellers

Surely you couldn't leave out VP2

[G.W. Hayduke]

I'm not an AST fan. I may do another protein powder review (since a lot of people are emailing me about this one) but wont ever review that particular protein.

As far as ATW powder, that isn't sold on bb.com so no go for it.

Also, getting free samples of a lot of the older protein powders is not easy. Much of the review is a result of years of buying different powders. I can't just go and buy all these containers of whey protein just to do a review of the powders people want to see. So, I take what I can get and in some cases I got an extra sample of a protein and in other cases I didn't. I'll be contacting more companies for samples though and see if I can get a part two.

Why the apparent prejudice against AST and VP2? Sure they might claim all these percentages, but they do have the science to back it up...

I for one can attest that it's the most effective protein I've used.

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why the apparent prejudice against AST and VP2? Sure they might claim all these percentages, but they do have the science to back it up...

I for one can attest that it's the most effective protein I've used.

pfff, they severely perturb the science. SEVERELY

[G.W. Hayduke]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why the apparent prejudice against AST and VP2? Sure they might claim all these percentages, but they do have the science to back it up...

I for one can attest that it's the most effective protein I've used.

Umm, it's just protein. VP2 is no different from another, less costly WPI.

[highsoy]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

pfff, they severely perturb the science. SEVERELY

I agree with str8flexed. AST's VP2 journals and reports use the logical fallacy of oversimplification. In many of their journals and studies they oversimply and assume that just because the subjects were using their products the end result was due to the supplement. I'm asking myself, "does the training or genetic make up of that individual play a bigger role in these prominent muscle gains?" Although their scientific studies are a little sketchy; I DO use their products avidly. Let me tell you why. #1 Quality. The company has been established for over 13 years and is a trusted brand. They are also one of the only compaies that does online training journals with natural pros and Question and answers for the public on a regular basis. I've also gotten the best gains of my life from MAX-OT. I use GL3 Glutamine, VP2, DGC, Nytro Pro.

Additionaly, Protein powder can be destroyed very easily by heat. VP2 is made under extreme quality controlled measures and is made using the most expensive process on the market. The protein is very expensive; however, you are getting what you paid for. I've bought many other companies protein powders and the protein was actually different in color and texture in two different bottles with the same brand. What does this tell me? The quality control is horrible. I'm wondering if I am buying ovaltine at times. Also, when protein powder is in the process of shipping while under high temperatures of heat in the UPS trucks; can that cause the denature of quality (destroying the nutrients)?

I am not saying AST is the only quality product out there. I am however, saying that their products are guarenteed to have the exact ingredients that they claim they do; but NOT necessarly the results that they claim. If anyone has any other thoughts on AST, please respond. I would like to hear other opinions or facts about the company.
P.S. Anyone have any comments on the new MHC 750?

[G.W. Hayduke]

Originally Posted by highsoy

I am not saying AST is the only quality product out there. I am however, saying that their products are guarenteed to have the exact ingredients that they claim they do;

I've heard that many people suspect several of their products were underdosed. Their ALA for example was suspect of not meeting label claims. I'm sorry, but if I have to question a companie's marketing techniques then I have to question their overall ethics which eventually leads to their product. I just don't trust AST.

[-Ryan-]

With AST it's kind of a two-way street for me. While all their research and supposed science seems impressive, it's always in the back of my mind that it could very easily be just another 'angle' to make them seem very legit etc.

No doubt their quality control is top notch, but also living in Australia I don't have great access to most of the overseas products without having to pay outrageous shipping prices. It just so happens that I found somewhere that sells AST products at a great price. I've tried probably the best Aussie products we have to offer and they gave me little to no results.

[Muscle4Hire]

I think that optimum whey ON 100% is popular for a reason. Its economical in the 10lb bag, tastes damn good (double chocolate for me) and it one of the best rounded protein powders on the market. However, the only way you have a fav is by trying them all out, and getting your own opinion.

[highsoy]

Originally Posted by Aeternitatis

I've heard that many people suspect several of their products were underdosed. Their ALA for example was suspect of not meeting label claims. I'm sorry, but if I have to question a companie's marketing techniques then I have to question their overall ethics which eventually leads to their product. I just don't trust AST.

That is a very good point. If you question their marketing techniques, then you should also question their overall ethics. On the hand though; every nutrition company markets their products with pretty outrageous claims. Just because they are trying to sell their product does not mean the product is bogus. I really can't see AST trying to skim on ingredients. The company is in it for the long run. They have been around longer than any other supplement company on the market. They are specifically known for quality; that is the reason their prices are little more than other supplement companies (they even admit that). I don't mind spending the money if the product is top notch. You may have heard that the ALA was underdosed but do you have any solid evidence? Journals, studies, facts etc..?? In fact, if you view AST website you will notice that they are the company that points out bogus products. This is a good subject. Let's continue it.

[Scott LaPierre]

Layne, speaking of protein powders, do you use isolates, or concentrates? For the price difference, do you think isolates are worth it? Actually, what do you think are the major differences between isolates and concentrates?

Thanks.

[Halfroman]

I'm actually quite interested in this topic. Being Canadian, it is hard to find protiens (I don't order off bb.com because I can't stand custom delays and have experiance from Ebay) and I am currently using VP2 (which runs about 45$ for two pounds)... which is REALLY expensive. I have seen great results though, I also use ON Whey which have givin me great results. I am considering switching to Syntrax Nectar for about 37$ for two pounds... but AST is revered as the best company out there by so many in terms of simple quality supplements and the fact they never make outrageous claims with their products appeals to me. It would be great if a review could be done on VP2 because money is getting tight and I cannot really afford to be dishing out so much cash if it's really not the best.

Protien is NOT just protien.

I buy all my protein from True Protein dot com, even though I buy ZMA and other things through bb.com

Cheapest isolates etc, and I like to make my own blends and save money.










WorldMuscle

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by Scott LaPierre

Layne, speaking of protein powders, do you use isolates, or concentrates? For the price difference, do you think isolates are worth it? Actually, what do you think are the major differences between isolates and concentrates?

Thanks.

if you have digestion issues they are definately worth it. If you don't have any problems with concentrate then it's probably not worth it. This article might help you decide: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne37.htm

-Layne

[forklift]

too bad he didn't review soy protein; the stuff works great for me. it is thicker than whey and seems to "stick" better.

Seems like it would make sense to include some of the popular brands.. EAS, MetRx, Myoplex, GNC Pro Performance. That's the stuff that 90% of people who really need the advice are looking at when they go to the store looking for supplements.

Originally Posted by Aeternitatis

I'm not an AST fan. I may do another protein powder review (since a lot of people are emailing me about this one) but wont ever review that particular protein.

As far as ATW powder, that isn't sold on bb.com so no go for it.

Also, getting free samples of a lot of the older protein powders is not easy. Much of the review is a result of years of buying different powders. I can't just go and buy all these containers of whey protein just to do a review of the powders people want to see. So, I take what I can get and in some cases I got an extra sample of a protein and in other cases I didn't. I'll be contacting more companies for samples though and see if I can get a part two.

There are two ways to solve the problem of Samples and any bias if a company sent him more than he needs to try.

(1) People who want the opinion of their favorite can just send him a sample from their purchase if it is ok with him. There are probably some drawbacks of this method though.

(2) Simply send him a buck ( US $ 1.00 ) and with the number of people visiting this board, he will have plenty of money to try most products.

Comments please.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems like it would make sense to include some of the popular brands.. EAS, MetRx, Myoplex, GNC Pro Performance. That's the stuff that 90% of people who really need the advice are looking at when they go to the store looking for supplements.

That's exactly what I was thinking. When I go to GNC or Vitamin Shoppe that's what I see. I'd like to know those compare. I hope part II comes out soon.

[njgymtrainer]

Have to agree with you, I have found Now's unflavored isolate excellent. Having a lactose problem I stick with the isolates and this one is excellent. Sometimes I add a heaping teaspoon of their strawberry isolate for taste. Btw I do use Ergopharms's orange as a break or add a heaping teaspoon of it to the NOW unflavored. Currently I use 75% whey isolate and 25% NOW's egg protein, also unflavored. no lactose problem and no bloating and no aftertaste!