Chris Scarborough - Side Comparison Of Power And Olympic Squats!

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[Tony B]

Very interesting article here! One quick question is that i dont think dave draper is squating over 800lbs in that photo

Originally Posted by Tony B

Very interesting article here! One quick question is that i dont think dave draper is squating over 800lbs in that photo

8 100 lb plates + bar = Probably 845

Originally Posted by Unregistered

8 100 lb plates + bar = Probably 845

that's ridiculous, Ronnie barely squats that now, let alone barefoot with elevated heels. They are obviously wide yet deep 45's. We had them at my highschool

[Tony B]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

that's ridiculous, Ronnie barely squats that now, let alone barefoot with elevated heels. They are obviously wide yet deep 45's. We had them at my highschool

yeap i was thinking the same thing. Without a spotter behind him or on either side i dont think so considering many pros today cant squat this. Its more likely to be 45 plates

This pic was added when it was edited, so I have no idea how much Dave was lifting. It is still impressive even with 405 -- however, not as impressive as 800+.

If you look at some of the lifts some O lifters use, there have been 77 Kg (170 pound) lifters do 650# full Olympic sqauts for 2 or 3 reps with no belts, wraps or super suits. Not the same as a powerlifter would squat, but more motion and less supportive gear.

Some powerlifters in a similar weight class, I think, can do 750+.

Chris
Chris@Young-Athletes.com

[lucubration.]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

that's ridiculous, Ronnie barely squats that now, let alone barefoot with elevated heels. They are obviously wide yet deep 45's. We had them at my highschool

I will buy that!

The more I look at it..... it looks like more but it's obviously a cambered bar. And Arnie doesn't look too worried! lol
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Anyway, thanks for the article Chris. I'll give more consideration as to how I'm squatting from now on.

[Tony B]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This pic was added when it was edited, so I have no idea how much Dave was lifting. It is still impressive even with 405 -- however, not as impressive as 800+.

If you look at some of the lifts some O lifters use, there have been 77 Kg (170 pound) lifters do 650# full Olympic sqauts for 2 or 3 reps with no belts, wraps or super suits. Not the same as a powerlifter would squat, but more motion and less supportive gear.

Some powerlifters in a similar weight class, I think, can do 750+.

Chris
Chris@Young-Athletes.com

thanks mate, enjoyed the article!

Thanks for the feedback. Part 2 should be up on the site very shortly.

Chris
Chris@Young-Athletes.com

the bottom position of the olympic squat is not deep enough
(it would be ass to heels)

your snatch and bottom positions on the olympic squat look like
you are rolled too far forward......

olympic squat hits the top of the glutes (where the glutes meet
the lower back) due to full range of motion.

obviously to do a real comparison, you would get 2 lifters in each
sport and show 2 separate lifters who train for OL and powerlifting,
and then have them add their opinions pro/con

[deavman]

As it appears obvious to everyone, Dave Draper was far from squatting 800 or even 700 Lbs.. This is 405 Lbs and while respectable from a beginner point of view, it is far from exeptional. The point was not to impress the readers with umongous #'s but to show the depth of movement.
I also whould like to pick with the author's contention that deeper olympic style squats place heavier loads on the athlete's knees.... Well while this was the generally accepted theory for many years, it was not based on science or even experience from olympic lifters. In fact, a few years ago, a study was done and showed that actually the higher loads were generated when the movement was stopped at about parallel (thigh // ground) which is what every so-called trainer in your average gym will tell you do. The mantra has been repeated ad nauseam and it is not surprising to see it here "confirmed".
Something, olympic lifters always knew to be wrong has been debunked, it is time to update your sources.

[Noviomagus]

Originally Posted by deavman

As it appears obvious to everyone, Dave Draper was far from squatting 800 or even 700 Lbs.. This is 405 Lbs and while respectable from a beginner point of view, it is far from exeptional. The point was not to impress the readers with umongous #'s but to show the depth of movement.
I also whould like to pick with the author's contention that deeper olympic style squats place heavier loads on the athlete's knees.... Well while this was the generally accepted theory for many years, it was not based on science or even experience from olympic lifters. In fact, a few years ago, a study was done and showed that actually the higher loads were generated when the movement was stopped at about parallel (thigh // ground) which is what every so-called trainer in your average gym will tell you do. The mantra has been repeated ad nauseam and it is not surprising to see it here "confirmed".
Something, olympic lifters always knew to be wrong has been debunked, it is time to update your sources.

very deep squats are not healthy for the meniscus.period.