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11-29-2004, 04:58 PM
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Clayton South - CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester) Rountable: Round One!
An eye-opening look into the politics and personalities of our sport in this roundtable discussion on creatine ethyl ester...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south96.htm
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11-29-2004, 08:34 PM
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I believe this was a biased discussion. All participants who remained in the discussion had a conflict of interests.
The next round should involve not only representives of the companies involved, but also scientists (those who publish in scholarly journals). We know what the companies tell us. We need to know what the researchers tell us.
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11-29-2004, 09:10 PM
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My response...
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Originally Posted by fkarcha
I believe this was a biased discussion. All participants who remained in the discussion had a conflict of interests.
The next round should involve not only representives of the companies involved, but also scientists (those who publish in scholarly journals). We know what the companies tell us. We need to know what the researchers tell us.
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Thanks for your feedback on the CEE roundtable.
This was round one of the roundtable...round two will be done shortly...the coordination of scheduals meant that an independant scientist was unable to attend. Stay tuned for round 2.
-Clayton South
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12-01-2004, 10:36 AM
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LOL Joe Archer got owned.
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12-01-2004, 11:29 PM
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CEE is great for enemas!
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12-02-2004, 09:17 AM
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what exactly qualifies these guys as "experts". Just because they own a company certainly does not make them experts. I would have rather seen if you could have gotten some people who are actually involved in the research in the discussion.
All of these guys love to throw around statements while providing few (if any) references to back up their claims. I have been searching pubmed and I have yet to come across one journal article that discuses CEE
-Layne
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Last edited by str8flexed; 12-02-2004 at 09:23 AM.
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12-02-2004, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by str8flexed
what exactly qualifies these guys as "experts". Just because they own a company certainly does not make them experts. I would have rather seen if you could have gotten some people who are actually involved in the research in the discussion.
All of these guys love to throw around statements while providing few (if any) references to back up their claims. I have been searching pubmed and I have yet to come across one journal article that discuses CEE
-Layne
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Thanks for your feedback on the CEE roundtable.
This was round one of the roundtable...round two will be done shortly...the coordination of scheduals meant that an independant scientist was unable to attend. Stay tuned for round 2.
-Clayton South
www.bodybuilding.com
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12-02-2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton South
Thanks for your feedback on the CEE roundtable.
This was round one of the roundtable...round two will be done shortly...the coordination of scheduals meant that an independant scientist was unable to attend. Stay tuned for round 2.
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I'll be looking foreward to it 
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12-02-2004, 03:33 PM
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Cee
Where did my post go? Just because you don't like someone's feedback, doesn't mean they aren't entitled to post on the page. I just found it ironic that this article was written by the same person who completely discredited the new creatine...
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12-02-2004, 03:41 PM
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you are more than welcome to give feedback. but guess what, you can't call someone names or slander them.. that doesn't fly on this message board. Consider yourself warned.
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12-02-2004, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by str8flexed
you are more than welcome to give feedback. but guess what, you can't call someone names or slander them.. that doesn't fly on this message board. Consider yourself warned.
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Layne,
Thanks, I appreciate it.
-Clayton South
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12-02-2004, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton_man
Where did my post go? Just because you don't like someone's feedback, doesn't mean they aren't entitled to post on the page. I just found it ironic that this article was written by the same person who completely discredited the new creatine...
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Clayton_Man:
From my recollection no such conversation between you and I occured. If I made any comments on CEE it would have been about a lab report stating that CEE is fake...not that CEE IS fake...and there is a difference.
Why don't you post under a real name and tell the world who you are?
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12-02-2004, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton South
Clayton_Man:
From my recollection no such conversation between you and I occured. If I made any comments on CEE it would have been about a lab report stating that CEE is fake...not that CEE IS fake...and there is a difference.
Why don't you post under a real name and tell the world who you are?
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cowards don't do that. They prefer to hide behind fake names
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