Joel Tietge - A Case Against Soy!

[webmaster]

For quite some time now I have been against the consumption of soy, especially in the form of protein isolates and phytochemical isolates. Find out why...

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[forklift]

so you like milk better?

LOS ANGELES — Milk sold in southern California supermarkets contains a toxic ingredient of rocket fuel that exposes many children to amounts exceeding a federal health recommendation, according to a report by an environmental organization released Monday.

Out of 33 samples of well-known brands of milk purchased in Los Angeles and Orange counties, the Environmental Working Group found the chemical perchlorate in all but one. Children from 1 to 5 years old who drink between one and two cups of milk a day are getting daily amounts higher than the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency recommends.

Perchlorate, the explosive component of rocket fuel, has leaked from aerospace companies and military bases and contaminated water supplies in 29 states, including the lower Colorado River, which supplies much of southern California’s drinking water and irrigates more than a million acres of farmland in California and Arizona. Infants and fetuses are especially vulnerable to the effects of perchlorate. Animal tests indicate that small amounts can disrupt thyroid hormones that regulate brain development.

[Romac]

Originally posted by forklift
so you like milk better?

your statement says nothing about the value of milk but sure talks alot about rocket fuel

[G.W. Hayduke]

Originally posted by Romac
your statement says nothing about the value of milk but sure talks alot about rocket fuel

LOL, too true. I try to limit my intake of rocket fuel.

Well, I've done research on Cow's milk and it is sad what government regulation has done to it. It used to be quite healthy but thanks to Ultra Pastuerization and Homogenization, it has become intolerable to many people. These processes don't even make sense. Homogenization breaks up the fat molecules so a cream layer doesn't form on the milk. What's the point of this? Well, basically it saves us the time of having to shake the milk ourselves. Studies have shown that people who are lactose intolerant can usually consume un-homogenized milk without problems.

I could go on too about the f*cked up regulations but maybe I'll save it for another article. All I know is I wish I had my own cow. I'd be drinking raw milk every day.

[lucubration]

http://www.brinkzone.com/soy.html

[Romac]

Originally posted by lucubration
http://www.brinkzone.com/soy.html

selected quote:
If that were not bad enough to convince you to avoid soy, it gets worse. Soy protein contains something known as "anti -nutrients" that block the digestion and absorption of many nutrients. Two of the more important anti-nutrients found in soy are Lectins and protease inhibitors. Lectins are nasty constituents of various plants and can cause all sorts of problems from interfering with the absorption of important nutrients to intestinal damage. Proteases are enzymes that assist in the digestion of proteins. Soy has several protease inhibitors that interfere with the enzyme trypsin and chymotrypsin, both of which are important for the digestion and absorption of proteins in the gastrointestinal tract. Finally, soy is rich in estrogenic compounds such as genistein and diadzein. There are over 300 plant derived phytoestrogens found that vary substantially in their physiologic effect and potency in animals and man. As any bodybuilder worth his weight belt already knows, a change in the testosterone/estrogen ratio in favor of estrogen can lead to increased bodyfat and other ill effects as it relates to the strength athletes goals.

[G.W. Hayduke]

That's a good article, definitely, but I see no reason to eat soy when their are plenty of other, better sources of protein. I mean, if you can't decide because of all the conflicting evidence, just sit back and ask, "why?" There is no reason to eat soy.

[Romac]

Originally posted by Aeternitatis
That's a good article, definitely, but I see no reason to eat soy when their are plenty of other, better sources of protein. I mean, if you can't decide because of all the conflicting evidence, just sit back and ask, "why?" There is no reason to eat soy.

yeah but alot of people that want to eat soy protein are trying to not eat animal protein for moral reasons. I guess soy is better than a kick in the balls but when compared to milk, whey, tuna, or chicken it is obviously, vastly inferior.

[G.W. Hayduke]

The phytate and protease inhibitor content of soy is often used to damn the bean but in the name of fairness, the benefits of those compounds should be noted. Phytates are thought to deactivate the steroidal hormones that may promote certain kinds of tumors. Protease inhibitors have been shown in some studies to prevent a cell from going malignant in early cancer stages.

I think it is either that these things become harmful when comsumed in large amounts or it is just a case of trading one poison for another, lesser poison.

Both of these compounds are also found in many other beans and grains.

Before anyone alters their diet too much after reading this article, they should look at the dates of Mr. Tietge's references.

[velikimajmun]

"The funny thing is that I wasn't able to find any credible sources claiming health benefits of soy. There were however plenty of "studies" cited by various companies selling soy products"

This is the part where he lost my confidence. I wouldn't advocate soy as a large percentage of protein intake for a bodybuilder but there are endless studies on pubmed showing the benefits of soy and it constituent compounds including phytoestrogens.

This article is unresearched trash in my opinion

[forklift]

Originally posted by velikimajmun
"The funny thing is that I wasn't able to find any credible sources claiming health benefits of soy. There were however plenty of "studies" cited by various companies selling soy products"

This is the part where he lost my confidence. I wouldn't advocate soy as a large percentage of protein intake for a bodybuilder but there are endless studies on pubmed showing the benefits of soy and it constituent compounds including phytoestrogens.

This article is unresearched trash in my opinion

i agree with you. he is right that trying to search google does not quickly bring up anything besides soy-industry or anti-milk soy supporters. maybe pubmed comes up way down on the searches?

None of the sources for the article you wrote were newer than '92... alot of research has changed since than and maybe its about time you re-research this subject

Originally Posted by forklift

so you like milk better?

LOS ANGELES — Milk sold in southern California supermarkets contains a toxic ingredient of rocket fuel that exposes many children to amounts exceeding a federal health recommendation, according to a report by an environmental organization released Monday.

Out of 33 samples of well-known brands of milk purchased in Los Angeles and Orange counties, the Environmental Working Group found the chemical perchlorate in all but one. Children from 1 to 5 years old who drink between one and two cups of milk a day are getting daily amounts higher than the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency recommends.

Perchlorate, the explosive component of rocket fuel, has leaked from aerospace companies and military bases and contaminated water supplies in 29 states, including the lower Colorado River, which supplies much of southern California’s drinking water and irrigates more than a million acres of farmland in California and Arizona. Infants and fetuses are especially vulnerable to the effects of perchlorate. Animal tests indicate that small amounts can disrupt thyroid hormones that regulate brain development.

Apple Juice was found to have a ingredient used in Rocket fuel as well.
And?...........

[specka]

So the author had a preconceived notion in mind - "For quite some time now I have been against the consumption of soy" - which at that time was researched about as far as an argument with a friends mum?
At the time of the argument the author had limited knowledge on the matter so turned to the internet (heaven help us) to find facts supporting your 'hypothesis'.

What's worse than the above is that the evidence found is so selectively cited and inserted into an article that is overtly simple. As mentioned earlier, the resources cited are pretty much all around 20 years old!!! That?s a lifetime in the realm of scientific advancement.

I?m sorry, but this article is evidence not of the dangers of soy, but as a reminder that the internet is not always the best place to gain an education.

[Ivan25]

Originally Posted by webmaster

For quite some time now I have been against the consumption of soy, especially in the form of protein isolates and phytochemical isolates. Find out why...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tietge7.htm

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This guy's article is a joke bro... Simply read my sweet big bad truthful article and you will see the truth about soy---> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

My article is WAY more research-supported than yours.. And I can't believe ppl still think soy is bad... What a sham and a shame... Pun intended!

Learn ppl, LEARN.

All you have shown is that its possibly harmful if you offload large amounts off ships or if you are an infant. What about body builders? I don't think any one has died from eating soy yet.

Not literally, and I'm no expert or advocate, but I can attest to the fact that soy can trigger the growth of estrogen sensitive tumors as I grew a nice plum sized one in my thyroid after switching from regular milk to soy milk for just 2 months! So not only does it wreck havoc on the hormonal output of the thyroid, it can actually destroy the gland as it did to mine! I had half my thyroid removed and now suffer from weight gain, mood swings and out of control fatigue and insomnia. I didn't immediately realize how the increase in soy consumption correlated with the rapid growth of the tumor. I only realized it after researching thyroid tumors, what a shock when I uncovered story after story of people just like me, I'm a group fitness instructor and health fanatic, who had the same exact experience after substituting natural foods like milk and red meat with the super processed toxic soy alternatives on the market.