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[Flee Priest]

I think this article was good because it made me realize I may infact take in too much protein...*looks down at belly*

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Flee Priest
I think this article was good because it made me realize I may infact take in too much protein...*looks down at belly*

welll it's not too much protein that would cause fat gain... to the contrary, it's just this point... if you are consuming enough protein to support muscle gains/maintenance any more than that is going to be converted to glucose in the liver via gluconeogenesis... so why not just replace those extra calories with carbs... they taste better and they supply a better energy source.

-Layne

[bastaeagle]

Is it good to take whey Protein and creatine while trying to loose weight????

[str8flexed]

yes

[Lothos]

i know that the author is a Dr. My major was exercise science and i have taken many nutrition and exercise classes including anatomy & physiology, and exercise physiology, and in all of the classes we have stressed that protein is NOT a scource of energy except in extreem cases such as marathons. carbs are the main source of energy for weight lifters because of the amout of time it takes to do a rep or a set. in reality, the phosphocreatine, anerobic and areobic glycolosis are the energy systems used. therefor weight lifting burn carbs, and phospho creatine, NEVER does it burn protein. As for protein being stored as fat. that is a totally false statement. protein is stored in the liver and muscles as amino acids NOT as fat.

Howley & Powers. Exercise Physiology. The McGraw Hill Co. Boston, MA; 2004.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Lothos
i know that the author is a Dr. My major was exercise science and i have taken many nutrition and exercise classes including anatomy & physiology, and exercise physiology, and in all of the classes we have stressed that protein is NOT a scource of energy except in extreem cases such as marathons. carbs are the main source of energy for weight lifters because of the amout of time it takes to do a rep or a set. in reality, the phosphocreatine, anerobic and areobic glycolosis are the energy systems used. therefor weight lifting burn carbs, and phospho creatine, NEVER does it burn protein. As for protein being stored as fat. that is a totally false statement. protein is stored in the liver and muscles as amino acids NOT as fat.

Howley & Powers. Exercise Physiology. The McGraw Hill Co. Boston, MA; 2004.

during down time between sets after glycogen has been depleted your liver will most certainly will cause gluconeogenesis of amino acids. I think you need to do some more reading. Protein can be stored as fat via an indirect route

protein ----> amino acids -----> glucose------->glycerol------>triacylglycerides

[Flee Priest]

Originally posted by str8flexed
welll it's not too much protein that would cause fat gain... to the contrary, it's just this point... if you are consuming enough protein to support muscle gains/maintenance any more than that is going to be converted to glucose in the liver via gluconeogenesis... so why not just replace those extra calories with carbs... they taste better and they supply a better energy source.

-Layne

Me and my "blabberous" mouth...My above statement shows how easy I am to fool first thing in the morning...especially after having stepped heavily on the scale and watched a belly in the mirror that wasnt there the day before. Of course the little belly I looked down on was a result of having to eat food containing ridicolous amounts of carbs and even fatty cheese the day before...every meal also contained lots of protein but when I went back to see the more exact numbers, the ammount of carbs were ridicolous for a day spent in the couch...

I'm sure it is possible to gain some fat by eating insane amounts of protein and drinking shakes every other hour, but thats definitely NOT whats happening in my case...I need all the protein I can stuff into the pie hole for sure..

[Bubo]

Originally posted by str8flexed
yes

I’m gonna afta disagree with you on this creatine and whey protein thing when you are on a cutting diet. I have known quite a lot of competitive bb-ers that developed sever kidney problems do to their use of powders while they were getting ready for a show. Some had to be hospitalized for some time and others were on medications for about 3 to 4 months.

No matter if you train drug free or not you can never under estimate the strain that these supplements put your kidneys through.

I think it is better stated, that these supplements are not a risk free alternative, that they do contain a risk and must be treated as such.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Bubo
I?m gonna afta disagree with you on this creatine and whey protein thing when you are on a cutting diet. I have known quite a lot of competitive bb-ers that developed sever kidney problems do to their use of powders while they were getting ready for a show. Some had to be hospitalized for some time and others were on medications for about 3 to 4 months.

No matter if you train drug free or not you can never under estimate the strain that these supplements put your kidneys through.

I think it is better stated, that these supplements are not a risk free alternative, that they do contain a risk and must be treated as such.

this is so ludicrous I'm not even going to bother replying



and flee, you keep going from one extreme to another... stick in the middle somewhere

[Bubo]

Originally posted by str8flexed
this is so ludicrous I'm not even going to bother replying



and flee, you keep going from one extreme to another... stick in the middle somewhere

I cant believe that you are a moderator for this site?

[str8flexed]

dude, how is a protein shake any different from extra dietary protein? And how do you explain a long term study on creatine's affect on kidney function by Kreider in which he found NO difference in the long term function of kidneys between groups supplementing with creatine and placebo?

[Bubo]

str8flexed I would respond to you, but you already stated what you are.

You aint worth my time.

[lucubration]

Originally posted by Bubo
I’m gonna afta disagree with you on this creatine and whey protein thing when you are on a cutting diet. I have known quite a lot of competitive bb-ers that developed sever kidney problems do to their use of powders while they were getting ready for a show. Some had to be hospitalized for some time and others were on medications for about 3 to 4 months.

No matter if you train drug free or not you can never under estimate the strain that these supplements put your kidneys through.

I think it is better stated, that these supplements are not a risk free alternative, that they do contain a risk and must be treated as such.

If anyone sees any problems, if not drinking enough water to flush the kidneys when taking enough protein. Don't blame the protein per se, and certainly don't narrow it down to supplements...

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Bubo
str8flexed I would respond to you, but you already stated what you are.

You aint worth my time.

i.e. you don't want to be owned

[derekmac]

Originally posted by str8flexed
i.e. you don't want to be owned

LOL

"Don't bore me with the facts, I already have my mind made up"

[Lothos]

during down time between sets after glycogen has been depleted your liver will most certainly will cause gluconeogenesis of amino acids. I think you need to do some more reading. Protein can be stored as fat via an indirect route

protein ----> amino acids -----> glucose------->glycerol------>triacylglycerides


"protien is not used as a main energy source during exercise" (Howley & Powers, 52, 2004; Cox, 103, 2002)

this was a direct quote taken from 2 text books.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Lothos
during down time between sets after glycogen has been depleted your liver will most certainly will cause gluconeogenesis of amino acids. I think you need to do some more reading. Protein can be stored as fat via an indirect route

protein ----> amino acids -----> glucose------->glycerol------>triacylglycerides


"protien is not used as a main energy source during exercise" (Howley & Powers, 52, 2004; Cox, 103, 2002)

this was a direct quote taken from 2 text books.

key word being MAIN, no it is not a MAIN energy source, but when glycogen is low and glucose must be synthesized... where the hell do you think it's going to get glucose from? magically pull it out of the sky?

[derekmac]

OWNED

[Lothos]

the body can and will use fat when glycogen stores are low protein should not even be consierd even as an alternative enrgy sorce. AND, protein is not stored as fat, it is stored and transported as amino acids, unlike carbs which are stored as glycogen and transpotred as glucose! where are you getting your information? you may want to retake some classes or hit the books one more time.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Lothos
the body can and will use fat when glycogen stores are low protein should not even be consierd even as an alternative enrgy sorce. AND, protein is not stored as fat, it is stored and transported as amino acids, unlike carbs which are stored as glycogen and transpotred as glucose! where are you getting your information? you may want to retake some classes or hit the books one more time.

glucose must be used for anaerobic respiration... fats cannot account for the net synthesis of glucose in anyway! Therefore if glycogen is depleted and you wish to perform under anaerobic conditions your body must perform gluconeogensis and aminos will be converted to glucose.

I got my degree in biochem... going to one of the best grad school programs in the country for nutritional science and I got the biggest stipend they offer to do research on amino acid utilization. ... anything else you want to say?

[Bubo]

Originally posted by str8flexed

I got my degree in biochem... going to one of the best grad school programs in the country for nutritional science and I got the biggest stipend they offer to do research on amino acid utilization. ... anything else you want to say?

WOW! I guess that’s why you are better informed than a MD Kidney Specialists?

[jayvee]

Originally posted by str8flexed
i.e. you don't want to be owned

oh brother. geez man, if you are a moderator, and have a degree
in bio-nutritional-amino-acid-wank-wank, then mabey one thing you forgot to learn, was having some class. i have no doubt you know your stuff, but what a pissweak comment.

if youre a moderator, and dont agree with something, lead by example and put it across in a way where people can understand your point of view, instead of coming across like a spoilt little wanker.. your helpful insight would, im sure, be appreciated, but give up on the 'ive got a degree in blahblahblah' - no one cares about that...

[lucubration]

Originally posted by jayvee
but give up on the 'ive got a degree in blahblahblah' - no one cares about that...

'true dat bro.

[Bubo]

Originally posted by jayvee
oh brother. geez man, if you are a moderator, and have a degree
in bio-nutritional-amino-acid-wank-wank, then mabey one thing you forgot to learn, was having some class. i have no doubt you know your stuff, but what a pissweak comment.

if youre a moderator, and dont agree with something, lead by example and put it across in a way where people can understand your point of view, instead of coming across like a spoilt little wanker.. your helpful insight would, im sure, be appreciated, but give up on the 'ive got a degree in blahblahblah' - no one cares about that...

LOL! and Thanks!

I still cant believe a guy like that is a moderator?

Here on bodybuilding.com we have the opertunity to talk with Pros like Bob Chic, Tom Prince
and then we have got Mr. Pissweak’s and his many wank wanks.

[derekmac]

Originally posted by Bubo
LOL! and Thanks!

I still cant believe a guy like that is a moderator?

Here on bodybuilding.com we have the opertunity to talk with Pros like Bob Chic, Tom Prince
and then we have got Mr. Pissweak’s and his many wank wanks.

Layne is a moderator because of his knowledge and his helpfulness to many members.

You would do well to refrain from the personal attacks, or your stay will be quite limited here.

Keep that in mind.

[Bubo]

Originally posted by derekmac
Layne is a moderator because of his knowledge and his helpfulness to many members.

You would do well to refrain from the personal attacks, or your stay will be quite limited here.

Keep that in mind.

I am all for not attacking some one personally, so why did your moderator start it?

If you read the entire thread I think that you will see that this so called moderator was the first one to start attacking personally.

Like I stated before, I cant believe that this site would have some one that posts like your moderator has.

I didn't register to this site to put up with that kind of BS!

If this is the way a bodybuilding site treats bodybuilders than it was my mistake in thinking that I could learn something there other than how to be rude to people.

Please contact me!

[str8flexed]

i sat there and explained out everything step by step, if your feeble minds still can't comprehend it, then that's your loss

[lucubration]

Originally posted by Bubo
I am all for not attacking some one personally, so why did your moderator start it?

If you read the entire thread I think that you will see that this so called moderator was the first one to start attacking personally.

I don't really see any personal attacks????

[lucubration]

Really, the only personal attack was to threaten Bubo with banning, and that's BS.