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[u5711]

If youre trying to save money on supps, why the heck would you buy glutamine?

[Deenur]

despite what many people have said, glutamine reduces muscle soreness. I know that many chemistry whizzes say that glutamine cannot get past the stomach. I have no idea about that, I'm not a chemistry whiz. All that I do know is I tested it strictly, working out with it, going off, then going back on and I know that it reduces muscle soreness and helps with carb cravings (good if you are on a KETOgenice cut cycle).

Deen

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by u5711
If youre trying to save money on supps, why the heck would you buy glutamine?

Excuse me???????????????????

The Big Daddy

[u5711]

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
Excuse me???????????????????

The Big Daddy

Given: Your goal is to save money.
Given: Glutamine wastes money.

Therefore, one can only be led to the conclusion that glutamine must GO.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by u5711
Given: Your goal is to save money.
Given: Glutamine wastes money.

Therefore, one can only be led to the conclusion that glutamine must GO.

I can't believe you. Glutamine is very important in your diet. Open your eyes.

The Big Daddy

Originally posted by Deenur
despite what many people have said, glutamine reduces muscle soreness.

That's at best anecdotal, in my experience glutamine does nothing for soreness, or anything else for that matter.

[homemademuscle]

To help glutamine make it past the stomach, it needs to be peptide bonded. Glutamine peptides are more expensive, but give you more bang for the buck as it is actually absorbed into your body. Glutamine, at least in theory, would be best at sparing muscle tissue while dieting. If you have the money, it can't hurt to use it. If you want good supps for the buck, go with creatine and whey protein.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
That's at best anecdotal, in my experience glutamine does nothing for soreness, or anything else for that matter.

"Glutamine does nothing for soreness", this is ridiculous, I cant believed. I dont know what kind of glutamine do you take but that is not true, or maybe you never use glutamine before. I use 10gm twice a day (morning and before bed) and I got good results. You maybe came from Jupiter.

Luis Berrios

[u5711]

****, not this again..

I said in my experience it does nothing for soreness, then you suggest I have perhaps 'never taken it before' if I have personal experience logic says I must have used it at some point.

I have tried several brands of glutamine including the 'big names' such as Prolab, when I stopped taking them I noticed no change.

I took 10g before a workout and 10g after to see what affect it would have on soreness, it did nothing whatsoever.

Read many articles that say glutamine is useless for normal healthy people, ditto that on many studies. The only positive reports on glutamine are a few user reports, hosts of studies show no affect on oral glutamine supplementation.

The body produces glutamine, on a high calorie diet with that incorporates a variety of protein sources your body will prodcuce as much as it needs. I consume proteins throughout the day, why would I have an insufficient amount of glutamine at any time?

Do a search in the supplement forum, you'll see that glutamine supplementation debates have been done to death the overwhelming conclusion is thats its a waste of time, my own experience confirms this.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
I said in my experience it does nothing for soreness, then you suggest I have perhaps 'never taken it before' if I have personal experience logic says I must have used it at some point.

I have tried several brands of glutamine including the 'big names' such as Prolab, when I stopped taking them I noticed no change.

I took 10g before a workout and 10g after to see what affect it would have on soreness, it did nothing whatsoever.

Read many articles that say glutamine is useless for normal healthy people, ditto that on many studies. The only positive reports on glutamine are a few user reports, hosts of studies show no affect on oral glutamine supplementation.

The body produces glutamine, on a high calorie diet with that incorporates a variety of protein sources your body will prodcuce as much as it needs. I consume proteins throughout the day, why would I have an insufficient amount of glutamine at any time?

Do a search in the supplement forum, you'll see that glutamine supplementation debates have been done to death the overwhelming conclusion is thats its a waste of time, my own experience confirms this.

My experience said that glutamine does work. Sorry

The Big daddy

[homemademuscle]

Hey guys, the lesson here is take what works for you. If it is due to the placebo effect or otherwise, if you're making gains keep it up. If it doesn't, move on.

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
My experience said that glutamine does work. Sorry

The Big daddy

Oh well there must be something wrong with you then, coz science says it doesn't, you must be from neptune or something

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Deenur
despite what many people have said, glutamine reduces muscle soreness. I know that many chemistry whizzes say that glutamine cannot get past the stomach. I have no idea about that, I'm not a chemistry whiz. All that I do know is I tested it strictly, working out with it, going off, then going back on and I know that it reduces muscle soreness and helps with carb cravings (good if you are on a KETOgenice cut cycle).

Deen

no it does not. Soreness is caused by free radical build up (also known as reactive oxygen species ROS) as a byproduct of glucose metabolism in the muscle exercise. This promotes temporary minor insulin resistance in that area, hampering glucose uptake and increasing soreness. Glutamine is not a reactive oxygen species scavenger so it would do nothing to alieviate soreness.

This is all a mute point however though since glutamine has such poor oral bioavailability.
-Layne

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Oh well there must be something wrong with you then, coz science says it doesn't, you must be from neptune or something

Maybe dont work for you but it does for me, and I think that you dont have anything to teach me.

6'-8" 290 pounds 11%body fat is my evidence.

The Big Daddy

Whoop dee-doo for you then, why don't you respond to Str8flexed's post?

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Whoop dee-doo for you then, why don't you respond to Str8flexed's post?

Because you are the one with wrong ideas about glutamine. Also part of what he said in his replay are not 100% true. I'll poste information about glutamine later on for your knowledge. I also planning to write an article about glutamine with references about this subject, maybe the next week in Bodybuilding.com. Be ready

The Big Daddy
Train Hard and be Safe!!!

Good, perhaps you can't write something without the need for childish bragging. You obviously believe your height and weight give credence to your statements, by that logic I'll just ignore everyone except IFBB pro's regardless of experience or qualifications.

Also be interested to hear what parts of str8flexed's statement you believe are false.

I trust all your references will be studies for oral administration of glutamine and not IV.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Good, perhaps you can't write something without the need for childish bragging. You obviously believe your height and weight give credence to your statements, by that logic I'll just ignore everyone except IFBB pro's regardless of experience or qualifications.

Also be interested to hear what parts of str8flexed's statement you believe are false.

I trust all your references will be studies for oral administration of glutamine and not IV.

Hey dude , How old are you?

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
Because you are the one with wrong ideas about glutamine. Also part of what he said in his replay are not 100% true. I'll poste information about glutamine later on for your knowledge. I also planning to write an article about glutamine with references about this subject, maybe the next week in Bodybuilding.com. Be ready

The Big Daddy
Train Hard and be Safe!!!

i'd like to see this info. I don't think you have an inkling of an idea of who your about to involve yourself in a scientific debate with

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
Hey dude , How old are you?

25, if you tell me your significantly older than that it will just make your 'bragging' all the more sad so no need for any older/wiser euphemisms.

Regardless of semantics I look forward to seeing your article.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by str8flexed
i'd like to see this info. I don't think you have an inkling of an idea of who your about to involve yourself in a scientific debate with

Let see what happen

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
25, if you tell me your significantly older than that it will just make your 'bragging' all the more sad so no need for any older/wiser euphemisms.

Regardless of semantics I look forward to seeing your article.

You need to growth up mentally.

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
You need to growth up mentally.

After your pathetic I'm bigger than you bragging contest you've progressed to cheap insults.

You're a real class act.

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by str8flexed
i'd like to see this info. I don't think you have an inkling of an idea of who your about to involve yourself in a scientific debate with

You really dont know who I'm and is not your fault, this is part of the game, but I dont have to be advertising who I'm like people here that they called theirself EXPERT. I dont know who are you and how much knowledge you may have, but I know what I'm talking about. My degree (you have to find out which one) gave me the knowledge in this subject, in a SCIENTIFIC subject. I dont said that I'm smarter than you, but you definitely are NOT smarter than me.

The Big Daddy

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered
After your pathetic I'm bigger than you bragging contest you've progressed to cheap insults.

You're a real class act.

I dont need to talk to you anymore. Think whatever you want. You are putting yourself in a bad situation. You are the one argument about something that you definitely dont have any clue.

Have a good day...

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
I dont said that I'm smarter than you,

At least learn some basic literacy skills before you display arrogance, I could structure sentences better than that at age five.

I shall look forward to your amazing scientific insights mr 'big daddy'

[The Big Daddy]

Originally posted by Unregistered


At least learn some basic literacy skills before you display arrogance, I could structure sentences better than that at age five.

I shall look forward to your amazing scientific insights mr 'big daddy'

Get a life...SMART KID

Growth up!!!

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by The Big Daddy
You really dont know who I'm and is not your fault, this is part of the game, but I dont have to be advertising who I'm like people here that they called theirself EXPERT. I dont know who are you and how much knowledge you may have, but I know what I'm talking about. My degree (you have to find out which one) gave me the knowledge in this subject, in a SCIENTIFIC subject. I dont said that I'm smarter than you, but you definitely are NOT smarter than me.

The Big Daddy

LOL, biochemistry degree enough for you bro? How about a full ride to one of the best graduate programs for nutritional biochemisty in the country? How about being selected to do research with one of the pioneers of amino acid research?

you still talking?