Joey Rodrigues - Citrulline Malate: The Next Big Thing?

**admin** · 11-05-2003, 05:37 PM

I believe Citrulline Malate has the potential to be the next big thing in helping to redefine human athletic performance. Check out the studies that prove it!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jrod3.htm

HOW TO REVIEW: Post Your Review Of This Article - CLICK ON POST REPLY BELOW! You do NOT need to be a registered member to post a reply in this section!

**Beast** · 11-06-2003, 07:41 AM

Very interesting Joey. It's good to see things are picking up for you. Good luck with your company!

BTY · 11-06-2003, 01:06 PM

delete

11-06-2003, 05:44 PM

Not saying this is or isn't a good supplement, or the author is or isn't honest, or his company is or isn't good. This may indeed be a major advance in supplements, from an honest guy and a top-notch company, for all I know.

Just remember that if someone who makes a living selling products tells you how wonderful his new product is, it's wise to step back and think about it. That's one of the biggest problems with the whole athletic supplements industry - most of the information on supplements is provided by the very people who make a living try to sell you those supplements, and they have a vested interest in making you want to buy their products (or appears in magazines which in some cases are owned by the same folks who sell supplements and in other cases are highly dependent on supplement advertising for their revenue streams).

as0l0 · 11-06-2003, 06:08 PM

why would they be selling it if they didn't think it was great?

edit: what I mean is why would they base their financial future on it.

lucubration · 11-06-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BTY
Before you just jump on the NO bandwagon and start shelling out your cash thinking what's in that bottle will give you the bliss of the perpetual pump and the ticket to your hugeness. I would encourage you to read the book titled "I don't NO" by Rob Thoburn. It is a thoroughly researched, documented treatise on arginine and citrulline based NO-potentiators.

Questions it answers:
--How much of the supplement actually gets converted into NO?
--How long does the effect of increased NO last in your system?
--Can NO supplementation actually decrease your performance?

It's worth a read, based on the latest cutting edge research by top research scientists. It will cost you around $20, but that is less than, I believe, one bottle of NO.

The website is www.RobThoburn.com

Thanks,

BTY

PS. Don't forget, the guy who wrote this article sells supplements!

Rob however seems to think that creatine is not worth it and that everyone should eat so much whey that they don't need glutamine supplements (that that people do neccesarily anyway)

11-06-2003, 08:22 PM

Lucubration:

If you're going to spout out of your fat, ignorant hole, at least get the facts straight. Rob Thoburn does not, in any way, shape, or form advocate that people even take a whey supplement. In fact, his whole contention is that you can do just as well in nutrition buy eating whole foods. In fact, when you lie about what someone says in a negative way, I believe it's called slander.

And another thing, I was just trying to help give people another perspective. Go a head and buy all the NO potentiators you want. Buy enough for all the guys in your whole gym. Take so much it comes out of your nostrils and ears. I don't care.

All I did was try to help some people get a different perspective and then the liar/hater comes out. What a joke. Go ahead and waste your money on whatever you want. You'll be huge!

Get It! Got It! Good!
BTY

lucubration · 11-06-2003, 08:32 PM

actually, it you'll look at his glutamine thread you'll see that he says that there's no point in taking glutamine as most protein drinks already has glutamine peptides in them that are not recorded via testing as the testing destroys them.

I was merely making a comment that some things that Rob says strike me as a bit strange, for instance his apparent discouting of creatine simply because it doesn't work well for him.

He has even posted a rather ridiculous study that atttempt to show that creatine does nothing for a bodybuilding and can even impair protein synthesis. For my comments on the matter, which can gone unanswered, please see his site.

Don't get me wrong, Rob is a very well informed guy, I am merely making the point that he is not the all knowing god like beast you spam him to be.

NO, I don't NO, and I apologize if you took what I said the wrong way. I often write in a abbreviated manner as I see no need to write a tome unless necessary.

11-06-2003, 09:38 PM

Lucubration-

I thought I may have misread what you were saying in your original post until this childish statement:

"Don't get me wrong, Rob is a very well informed guy, I am merely making the point that he is not the all knowing god like beast you spam him to be."

You, undoubtedly, are a tiny, tiny jealous man. If not in body then in mind. I simply offered a viewpoint that people may want to take a look at in the detailed science of "NO enhancing" before going out to purchase a rather expensive supplement. And then you had to pop in and take a jab at Rob for no reason at all. Why did you have to post anything in reply to my offering? Let the people go and let them read and decide for themselves. You and I and the other tons of people who read this material are free to make up our own minds. But you immediately have to come out and try to discredit a man and his reputation. Get a life.

BTY

lucubration · 11-06-2003, 09:58 PM

I believe in intellectual honesty and freedom.... Certain things strike me as strange....I voice my opinion.

as0l0 · 11-06-2003, 10:58 PM

i also think rob is a bit weird in his views and I don't really like the way he goes about things

11-07-2003, 10:07 AM

as010

You said,

"i also think rob is a bit weird in his views and I don't really like the way he goes about things"

Well, good for you! You are free to express your opinion. At least you, unlike lucubration, expressed your opinion. Lucubration seems to think that misrepresenting someone to discredit them is "intellectual honesty" So, don't bother reading anything Rob writes. Its your body, your time, your $$$$$, and your opinion.

Just so you understand: I believe people have the right to express their opinion, but not to take unecessary potshots or slander someone else. Let people make up their own mind by reading the original sources themselves!

Here's my opinion:

Using the ROB concept has stimulated a lot of new growth for me in a very short times. Not taking supplements, but just eating the correct Macronutrient Balance is getting me in great shape. (I do take protein powder as a substitute for food because of its convenience.) I like to read what Rob Thoburn, and a bunch of other people, write on various topics and pick the best of everything.

What Rob Thoburn will give you that many other people writing cannot and will not is the background and credentials.

He has worked for some of the major supplement companies: Metr-x, Sportpharma, Prolab, and Muscletech in research and development of new products, as well as writing the ads you've read in the major magazines. He's been published in Muscle Media, Ironman, Lee Labrada's newsletter, Planet Muscle. He's not trying to sell any supplement, but knows the industry inside out--which is a lot more than most people who post on this board. He's been published, which goes beyond most on this board who have only been published on a bulletin board.

What does that all mean? My opinion, and that which I stated in my original post, is that he is a worthy source of information that has very good documented history and studies of NO supplements that he has put into a book that is easy to read. I suggested some might want to make a $20 purchase first, rather than spending much more than that one ONE BOTTLE of an NO supplement. It simply was an offer to give people information that might help them make an informed decision.

Its simple advice, take it or leave it. If a supplement company CEO gives you an article on how great this product is that his company will be selling, and he convinces you to spend your hard earned money on the supplement--then please, by all means, buy it.

By the way, this was in no way a rip on the gentleman who wrote the article or his new company. I wish him the best in this endeavor and hope he is successful. It was simply about NO enhancers and the claims that they will give you a perpetual pump and make you superman in the bedroom.

I hope this is all understood now. Go ahead and say whatever you want. I was just trying to be helpful. I haven't read one article on BB.com that honestly looks at and critiques the claims of NO enhancers. But I guess that would be a conflict of interest since they sell them in their shop. I won't be posting anymore on this. So, if you find the fountain of pills that fills you with a perpetual pump and makes you a superman in the bedroom, congratulations. It's your life and your $$$$, baby!

Best Regards,
BTY

11-07-2003, 10:42 AM

BTY, did you read the article and look at the actual studies referenced in this article?

11-07-2003, 11:39 AM

Dear Anonymous-

I did read the article, and in looking at the references, the only study I found that could have any real bearing as far performance enhancing goes is referenced as #9.

The theory and the science behind why CM could work and how it is supposed to work is easy to understand. The difference is that of the theory and what numerous studies have shown to be the end result in the body. There are many, many more studies available than the ones the author lists here. For crying out loud, the first number of studies referenced were about how bad ammonia is for your body!

So, just to help you out, I've read a ton scientific articles on the actual results of Citrulline Malate and how it actually works in your body, and its far different than the theory of "why it should work." I would encourage you to do some research into NO and how long this "so-called" pump would last in your body. I defy you to come up with proof that in fact NO can be enhanced by CM supplementation to a significant degree that the vasodialation that results will be found in the skeletal muscles directly and not in the kidneys and other tissues as well. NO can't be controlled to increase blood flow into your muscles only, but may in fact open blood vessels in the other tissues as well or only in those other tissues. I also would like you to show me a study that shows how long the boosting effects of NO supplementation will actually last on the NO in your body(the best study I've read said it lasts all of 10 seconds from when the "supplement can actually help produce more NO".)

I've read on this topic thoroughly, so thanks for the inquiry about reading the studies. I do think the author of this article did a good job in laying out how we think "its supposed to work" in our body. No criticism of that. But how we think it works and what the studies are showing are two different things.

I did say last post was my last post, but you asked for some more information. How do I know you aren't some kind of expert on NO? Maybe you are. I'm not, but I've studied it, and a lot more than the kinds of references put to support the article.

Thanks again for asking. I appreciate the opportunity to share the little bit that I know. Peace!

BTY

11-07-2003, 11:47 AM

Dear Sirs,

I have to admit that I misspoke when I said I've read "tons" of studies on CM. I've only read the studies that are available.
Thanks for understanding. Peace!

BTY

PS Instead of continually trying to ignore my offer of the information and refute what I simply offered as opinion, just go and buy the guy's supplement already. Then after six months or so come back and tell us how huge, ripped, and pumped you are on an everyday basis, calculate how much $$$$ you spent, and then tell us how it was worth every penny. It's really that simple.

as0l0 · 11-07-2003, 04:37 PM

my main point was that I don't like the way he does business. comes on this board makes 1000 posts in 2 weeks, then pisses off never to be seen again :/

11-14-2003, 03:54 PM

After doing some additional research of my own on the internet I found that there have been studies showing this supplement effective on aerobic output. I think I will give this supplement a try. As most serious athletes I am always looking for an edge on my competitors. Especially one that won't disqualify me on a drug test.

Fabio-

**str8flexed** · 11-15-2003, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by as0l0
why would they be selling it if they didn't think it was great?

edit: what I mean is why would they base their financial future on it.

are you serious with this question?

by now it should be extremely apparant that most supplement companies DO NOT CARE if a product works. They get some fancy sounding ingredients, twist the wording of a few peer reviewed studies, and market the hell out of it and people buy it. YOu can't honestly believe that pinnacle thought myostatin would really bind the myostat protein.