John Stamatopoulos - Drugs Vs. Natural. What should you decide? Get the fact!

[webmaster]

I won't start this article by giving exaggerated facts, or by warning that "steroids are evil" or "if you take them you will immediately die". My point is to give the best scientific references of what they can do.

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[u5711]

That conclusion was very weak. Generalizing that all steroid users look good and then become sick is just not accurate. Show me a study that definitively says low to moderate steroid use makes you "sick." GH is huge right now for life extension purposes and I heard about that study that deca leads to life extension. This article was not about Drugs vs Natural, it was just another scare tactic about steroids.

[Mighty Mikey G]

Who is the bodybuilder with leukemia?

[EAE]

It was better than most anti-steroid articles, but that conclusion really killed any shot at being taken seriously.

[adonis]

another 'steroids = bad' article

[Matthew D]

Quoted from the article
>>>>>Finally you should not forget that some physiological effects of steroid use can have profound effects on the mind, causing temporary personality changes in some. Users may exhibit uncontrolled aggression and violent behavior called "roid rage", in addition to severe mood swings, manic episodes, and depression. <<<<<<
I would like to see a scientifically document case of this.. In most of the cases I have seen... an a**hole on gear is an a**hole off gear. In fact, there are many guys that the opposite is true, they become more mellow while on cycle.
Also the so called fact number 5 has never been proven.. Lyle's brain cancer could have come from over exposure to high voltage power lines for all he knew.. I mean dang.. he was a football player not a research specialist in cancer..

[EAE]

Originally posted by Mighty Mikey G
Who is the bodybuilder with leukemia?

I believe it was Dennis Newman.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Matthew D
Quoted from the article
>>>>>Finally you should not forget that some physiological effects of steroid use can have profound effects on the mind, causing temporary personality changes in some. Users may exhibit uncontrolled aggression and violent behavior called "roid rage", in addition to severe mood swings, manic episodes, and depression. <<<<<<
I would like to see a scientifically document case of this.. In most of the cases I have seen... an a**hole on gear is an a**hole off gear. In fact, there are many guys that the opposite is true, they become more mellow while on cycle.
Also the so called fact number 5 has never been proven.. Lyle's brain cancer could have come from over exposure to high voltage power lines for all he knew.. I mean dang.. he was a football player not a research specialist in cancer..

let's not be naive... anabolic drugs do not help tumors.

anabolic pathway leads to cell proliferation

cancer is what= uncontrolled cellular proliferation

I'm sure using anabolic drugs helped it out big time

[Xervean]

LMFAO!! What a ****ty article!! Total garbage anti steroid propaganda!

[ZachG_85]

Bull**** article. Period.

[ZachG_85]

Originally posted by Mighty Mikey G
Who is the bodybuilder with leukemia?

Dennis Newman. The GH only accelerated an already existent problem. He has since started GH again with no problems whatsoever.

[Pure Dasani]

Originally posted by ZachG_85
Dennis Newman. The GH only accelerated an already existent problem. He has since started GH again with no problems whatsoever.

I guess he's trying to take another stab at leukemia?

I'll start out by saying those of you who don't believe steroids contributes to anyone dying,its just because it hasn't come close enough to home for you!Maybe when it does you'll stop using !My Husband [24yrs]old just recently died from a heart attack and i know without a shadow of a doubt it was from prolong use of steroids.he had a mild heart attack 1 1/2months before he died;then one nite late in his sleep he had a massive heart attack I tried for 15 mins before medics arrived to revive him but i couldn't bring him back.Now you men out there may never have to deal with waking up in the arms of the person you love and find them gone from a heart attack due to STEROIDS but the **** is real.The first heart attack he was down for 35 mins before i found him the drs. said his skeletal muscles were trying to breakdown to provide the needed oxygen for him thats a condition called RHABDOMYOLYSIS it turns your muscles into a toxic fluid that surrounds your heart and lungs he was basically drowning in his own fluids !The same thing happened after the second attack before i woke up and its real ; real hard to get the taste of that fluid out of my mouth and off my hands its been almost three weeks now and i can still taste it and smell it !Now i don't need research to prove to me that steroids killed the man i love and if he was here today he would most definately tell you the same thing !Keep abusing your body eventually it will give up on you and theres no coming back to the ones you love !
Being Big Is Not Worth Dying For !
Do It The Right Way Or Don't Do
It At All ! I'm Sure Theres Someone
Out There That Would Hate To
Lose You !

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Heman

I'll start out by saying those of you who don't believe steroids contributes to anyone dying,its just because it hasn't come close enough to home for you!Maybe when it does you'll stop using !My Husband [24yrs]old just recently died from a heart attack and i know without a shadow of a doubt it was from prolong use of steroids.he had a mild heart attack 1 1/2months before he died;then one nite late in his sleep he had a massive heart attack I tried for 15 mins before medics arrived to revive him but i couldn't bring him back.Now you men out there may never have to deal with waking up in the arms of the person you love and find them gone from a heart attack due to STEROIDS but the **** is real.The first heart attack he was down for 35 mins before i found him the drs. said his skeletal muscles were trying to breakdown to provide the needed oxygen for him thats a condition called RHABDOMYOLYSIS it turns your muscles into a toxic fluid that surrounds your heart and lungs he was basically drowning in his own fluids !The same thing happened after the second attack before i woke up and its real ; real hard to get the taste of that fluid out of my mouth and off my hands its been almost three weeks now and i can still taste it and smell it !Now i don't need research to prove to me that steroids killed the man i love and if he was here today he would most definately tell you the same thing !Keep abusing your body eventually it will give up on you and theres no coming back to the ones you love !
Being Big Is Not Worth Dying For !
Do It The Right Way Or Don't Do
It At All ! I'm Sure Theres Someone
Out There That Would Hate To
Lose You !

thousands die from heart attacks every day

alot seem to live perfectly healthy lives

sorry about your husband

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by Mighty Mikey G

thousands die from heart attacks every day

alot seem to live perfectly healthy lives

sorry about your husband

some steroids drastically reduce HDL levels, which is a strong risk factor for developing cardio vascular disease

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

some steroids drastically reduce HDL levels, which is a strong risk factor for developing cardio vascular disease

I know but there is no proof that they have ever caused a person's death or any illness. People act like as soon as you do a cycle you've basically signed your death certificate.

[JamesBarlow]

Originally Posted by Mighty Mikey G

People act like as soon as you do a cycle you've basically signed your death certificate.

But then you have the people at the other extreme who think that taking drugs, even at the quantities of an IFBB Pro, is not a big deal.

I agree that most of the articles here seem to be anti-drug, which I don't really think is a bad thing, but to deny that there even is a negative side to drug use is would irresponsible.

It's true that the pro's take enormous amounts of drugs with seemingly little long term effects, but that view must be tempered with stories like the woman above whose husband died. In most of the cases sites above I don't think it will ever be proven that drugs were the cause of what happened, but it also won't be proven that they weren't the cause.

All the available information must be presented and let each individual decide if the risks are worth it.

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally Posted by JamesBarlow

But then you have the people at the other extreme who think that taking drugs, even at the quantities of an IFBB Pro, is not a big deal.

I agree that most of the articles here seem to be anti-drug, which I don't really think is a bad thing, but to deny that there even is a negative side to drug use is would irresponsible.

It's true that the pro's take enormous amounts of drugs with seemingly little long term effects, but that view must be tempered with stories like the woman above whose husband died. In most of the cases sites above I don't think it will ever be proven that drugs were the cause of what happened, but it also won't be proven that they weren't the cause.

All the available information must be presented and let each individual decide if the risks are worth it.

The pros are different. I can't imagine today's pros not having some long term effects. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Not only do they abuse steroids but they abuse diuretics, GH, and insulin. Alot are also into recreational drugs.

It just annoys me when people know that somebody has used steroids they no longer allow that person to be human. If he raises his voice or loses his temper it must be the steroids. If he gets sick in any way it must be the steroids. If he dies before 80 it must have been the steroids. I read the newspaper obituaries every day and every day there is people that died in there 30's-50's. Were all of these people using steroids? If any of them were everybody would blame steroids for their death. There is no proof that they have ever killed anybody yet everybody wants to blame them for people's deaths. Steve Courson abused alot of drugs yet everybody (regular people, not doctors) blames his health problems on steroids. I don't understand why.

[BodybuildingPro]

Almost all of the pros from the 70s, presumably moderate juicers, are not only alive and healthy right now, but in great shape to beat, not just for their age but any age.

[bencher305]

Originally Posted by BodybuildingPro

Almost all of the pros from the 70s, presumably moderate juicers, are not only alive and healthy right now, but in great shape to beat, not just for their age but any age.

anyone who knows how to train/diet correctly no matter how much juice they took is going to be in great shape when they get old. My father is 56 and i bet hes in better shape then 80% of the people on this board.. hes 5'10 225lbs at like 13%bf of that with abs and ****.. Granted hes beent traning and eating right for years.. Hes never touched gear on his life.. me on the other hand... ahhahaaahaa

[BodybuildingPro]

Originally Posted by bencher305

anyone who knows how to train/diet correctly no matter how much juice they took is going to be in great shape when they get old. My father is 56 and i bet hes in better shape then 80% of the people on this board.. hes 5'10 225lbs at like 13%bf of that with abs and ****.. Granted hes beent traning and eating right for years.. Hes never touched gear on his life.. me on the other hand... ahhahaaahaa

True, I guess what I meant is that steroid use doesn't automatically equate to sickness or other health problems. I'm not condoning steroids, but just trying to put it into perspective. It's not like heroin or anything. The threshold for abuse is much different for steroids, and the majority of the problems will come from abuse. Further, even in the pro ranks, I think the majority of health problems have come from diuretic misuse, and not the bulking drugs.

The "dangers" of steroid use so prevalent in media and in this BS article is based on the study from the 1950's which is derived from "oral" steroids. Not injectables. Orals can screw you up big time over long period of time. But injectables, IM, intra-muscular, being used by millions every week.
Where are the bodies? Moderate use of injectables have been used for over 20 years by some athletes both pro and amateur, with clean blood tests to prove it. The one side effect: They Work.

If you use steroids, you're nothing but a pussy, and barry bonds should be taken out of the record books.

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If you use steroids, you're nothing but a pussy, and barry bonds should be taken out of the record books.

I think Babe Ruth had a bigger advantage not playing against black or hispanic players

so take him put of the record book if you take out bonds

the conculsion to that article is a joke.

[LookinToGetBig]

Originally Posted by Mighty Mikey G

I think Babe Ruth had a bigger advantage not playing against black or hispanic players

so take him put of the record book if you take out bonds

plain and simple your a fu*king retard. also when Babe Ruth played he wasnt using juiced balls...or juiced bats with all of this technology to make the ball go further. and he certainly wasnt using steroids. so by far besides hank aaron he was the best homerun hitter of all time and not just because of his numbers. he was able to hit i dunno something like 714 homeruns without any modern day trainer telling him what to eat or without and of the latest and greatest technologies to make him stronger and faster. i mean hell the guy was a drunk. and barry bonds is a piece of sh*t who doesnt deserve to still even be in the MLB. and i have no problem with people recognizing his record as long as the sign that says he hit XXX amount of homeruns in the baseball hall of fame is only the size of a sheet of paper. but directly next to it is a fuc*ing billboard that says WHILE I WAS ON STEROIDS. with a picture of him injecting himself right next to it. and a paragraph explaining that he cheated and how that even he feels he doesnt deserve it.

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally Posted by LookinToGetBig

plain and simple your a fu*king retard. also when Babe Ruth played he wasnt using juiced balls...or juiced bats with all of this technology to make the ball go further. and he certainly wasnt using steroids. so by far besides hank aaron he was the best homerun hitter of all time and not just because of his numbers. he was able to hit i dunno something like 714 homeruns without any modern day trainer telling him what to eat or without and of the latest and greatest technologies to make him stronger and faster. i mean hell the guy was a drunk. and barry bonds is a piece of sh*t who doesnt deserve to still even be in the MLB. and i have no problem with people recognizing his record as long as the sign that says he hit XXX amount of homeruns in the baseball hall of fame is only the size of a sheet of paper. but directly next to it is a fuc*ing billboard that says WHILE I WAS ON STEROIDS. with a picture of him injecting himself right next to it. and a paragraph explaining that he cheated and how that even he feels he doesnt deserve it.

ok black and hispanic players aren't a large part of the game today you win

if steroids existed back then the Babe would've been using them

so many playes have used them over the years but last i checked Bonds is the only one to hit 73 homers in a season

Bonds = greatest player of all time

[LookinToGetBig]

Originally Posted by Mighty Mikey G

ok black and hispanic players aren't a large part of the game today you win

if steroids existed back then the Babe would've been using them

so many playes have used them over the years but last i checked Bonds is the only one to hit 73 homers in a season

Bonds = greatest player of all time

if steroids existed back then the Babe would've been using them...and u know this how?

so many playes have used them over the years but last i checked Bonds is the only one to hit 73 homers in a season... on massive amounts of juice and using balls and bats that are formulated for the ball to go further... because the fan loves the longs ball.

Bonds = greatest player of all time correction. Bonds = one of the best natural swings of all time but lacks natural power. manny ramirez is by far the most natural and best hitter of all time. i dont care what numbers ty cobb put up ( not sure if thats spelled right ) and thats coming from someone who doesnt like manny that much since he left cleveland.

[Mighty Mikey G]

babe loved to drink i can't imagine a lush like him not juicing

and how do you know manny hasn't juiced?

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