Joel Tietge - Trenabol-X Review.

**webmaster** · 04-07-2003, 06:58 PM

I would urge Trenabol-X on anyone who is looking for the most effective prohormone stack or all-in-one growth enhancer for the money. Personally, I couldn't be happier or more impressed with the results I got from Trenabol-X!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trenabol.htm

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bobbo23 · 04-08-2003, 10:35 PM

It was a good read and made me want to get some but...he said himself that he is 18. Think he was too young and this would send the wrong message to young guys like myself.

bigmark · 04-09-2003, 06:32 PM

How do you know your side effects were NOT from the prohormones? In statistics, we refer to that as confounding variables. Also where's your proof? How about some photos? Of the reviews of these type products, subjects only state their bodyweights and increases in bench press, et. al. Moreover, you're 18 years old! You are a hormonally-charged growth machine already. Maybe your gains are due to that fact. Sounds like some more confounding variables. Just once, I'd like to see a legitimate study of the university caliber done with prohormones. Actually, more than one study. Statistics are worthless unless they are replicated by peers. Anyway, save your money. Train hard and eat right everybody!

Fiat Lux · 04-10-2003, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by bigmark
How do you know your side effects were NOT from the prohormones? In statistics, we refer to that as confounding variables. Also where's your proof? How about some photos? Of the reviews of these type products, subjects only state their bodyweights and increases in bench press, et. al. Moreover, you're 18 years old! You are a hormonally-charged growth machine already. Maybe your gains are due to that fact. Sounds like some more confounding variables. Just once, I'd like to see a legitimate study of the university caliber done with prohormones. Actually, more than one study. Statistics are worthless unless they are replicated by peers. Anyway, save your money. Train hard and eat right everybody!

You are right! Above all, train hard and eat right, nothing even comes close to being better than that. But how do I know that Trenabol-X worked? I've been lifting for nearly five years now and have never in my life experienced such results. As for the side effects... they were caused by an ECA I tried out. I know this because as soon as I stopped using the ECA, the side effects disappeared. Yes, photo's would have been nice but I was not expecting to write a review so never took "before" pictures. I decided to write the review AFTER I saw the effects of the product. I would have liked to do a controlled test of this product with multiple participants but I don't have that kind of money.
But, I see exactly where you are coming from and acknowledge the fact that my review is simply one persons opinion. This should serve as a warning to those trying to make an objective decision.

Fiat Lux · 04-10-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by bobbo23
It was a good read and made me want to get some but...he said himself that he is 18. Think he was too young and this would send the wrong message to young guys like myself.

I am technically over the age of 18, which is what they recomend, but I agree with you. Unless you are a teen who actually enjoys messing around with the chemistry of their bodies (like me), and are prepared to suffer possible serious consequences (like I have before), I suggest you wait until you are about 20 years old to use a prohormone. Above all, eat big, train hard, and sleep long... that is the best advice anybody can get.

Rally Dog · 04-11-2003, 11:41 AM

I Have to agree with the first reply - 18 is to young to be recommending a pro hormone

Fiat Lux · 04-11-2003, 01:12 PM

Okay, I'm not going to try to pacify anyone anymore. I realize that my article was not a scientific trial of Trenabol-X... that is why it is called a REVIEW! Anybody reading it should realize that and take it into consideration. Even if I had the thousands of dollars to perform a strict study of this product, I wouldn't waste the money to do it. As far as PH's being bad for people 18 and under... how the hell do you figure that? The fact remains that no matter what age you are, whether you are still growing or your testosterone levels have gone down, when using a PH you are introducing a substance into the body that was not meant to be there. Hormone production decreases with age for a reason! Simply being older does not make a PH safer! Most people can safely use these products as long as they understand the particular product, understand their body, and pay attention to their own reactions while using. In a nutshell, you must be responsible and despite what people would like to believe, responsiblity does NOT come with age. The article was not a recommendation to all people to go and use prohormones. It was simply recommending that it is probably the best on the market at current time.

uv_deth · 04-11-2003, 07:57 PM

You argued your points very well and persuasively kept to the point of your review despite the criticism. Good Job, great review.

jonathan reeves · 04-13-2003, 10:38 AM

Okay, I'm not going to try to pacify anyone anymore. I realize that my article was not a scientific trial of Trenabol-X... that is why it is called a REVIEW! Anybody reading it should realize that and take it into consideration. Even if I had the thousands of dollars to perform a strict study of this product, I wouldn't waste the money to do it. As far as PH's being bad for people 18 and under... how the hell do you figure that? The fact remains that no matter what age you are, whether you are still growing or your testosterone levels have gone down, when using a PH you are introducing a substance into the body that was not meant to be there. Hormone production decreases with age for a reason! Simply being older does not make a PH safer! Most people can safely use these products as long as they understand the particular product, understand their body, and pay attention to their own reactions while using. In a nutshell, you must be responsible and despite what people would like to believe, responsiblity does NOT come with age. The article was not a recommendation to all people to go and use prohormones. It was simply recommending that it is probably the best on the market at current time.

explain to me how adding a prohormone to your body is a adding a substance not meant to be there?? simply being older doesent make the pH safer because it isent safe but it does make it more effective

. what were your side effects from the ECA anyway.

Fiat Lux · 04-13-2003, 03:48 PM

jonathan reeves-

Your body produces hormones on its own for specific reasons... PH's are exogenous sources of these hormones, thus, not creating naturally by the body, thus, not meant to be there. That's not to say that they are intrinsically harmful. As far as PH's being more effective when you are older... well, that is all relative. It is more effective in the sense that when you are older you have less Test than an average teen.
The ECA side effects happened because I hadn't consumed any caffeine for about 2 months and the sudden introduction of large amounts of it was a shock. The side effects were anxiousness, jittery movements, and a short temper. The ECA, I must admit, was krappy.

jonathan reeves · 04-13-2003, 04:34 PM

just b/c your body doesent produce something soesent mean it doesent need it(minor point). Back to prohormones.

Fiat lux: As far as PH's being more effective when you are older... well, that is all relative. It is more effective in the sense that when you are older you have less Test than an average teen.

wheres an example where it is more effective as a teen lol
cmon man you cant take prohormones and not have sideffects with minor or major you may not see those effects right away and they subside especially if you cycle them properly but to say there are no side effects is bs.

Fiat Lux · 04-13-2003, 07:26 PM

jonathan reeves-

First I want to say thanks for providing real conversation and questions and backing up your statements rather than taking an unfounded stand...
I didn't say that your body doesn't NEED a PH, I just said that it was never meant to be there. Heck, DHEA has been proven to be a great therapy for older people who have a declined DHEA production.... nonetheless, the DHEA was not meant to be there; hence the term exogenous.
I didn't mean that PH's are more effective for teens.... nor are they more effective for adults. The difference is found in the noticeable changes which will most likely be more prominent in an older adult simply because that adult will usually have lowered Test levels.
As far as side effects, well, I didn't NOTICE any.... that's not to say that someone else may notice some.

jonathan reeves · 04-13-2003, 08:02 PM

well i must say it is good to see that you researched your stuff before you took it

You probably know more about prohormones than me. The thing that just keeps getting me is the fact that when you take prohormones you are upping your test levels thus your body goes through a negative feedback loop and shuts of your production of test obviously this is not permanent hince cycling however I just dont like the idea of going asexual for awhile

look forward to the update! perhaps i missed this in the article but how long have you been lifting? diet? what was your increase during your pH cycle?

Fiat Lux · 04-21-2003, 12:17 AM

I just noticed that I made a big mistake in the article. For those of you who do not know, 4-AD does NOT aromatize so there is unlikely to be any serious estrogen related problems. The target hormone, testosterone, may aromatize however.... the effects will probably be negligible. The only PH in T-Bol that aromatizes is 1,4-andro. It will aromatize only slightly though which is actually beneficial for gaining mass. My apologies for the mistake in the article.

04-23-2003, 10:47 AM

Hi guys!
I was doing a lot of reading on PH's. I have never used them before (for fear of sideeffects), so I was doing a bunch of research on them. Seems like most people get great gains. My major concern is the side effects, long term and short term.
Has anyone experienced any? What about with Trenabol-X? I am worried about baldness, acne and last but not the least - my penis shrinking and falling off . Ok joke.
But seriously, if anyone could share their knowledge on what to watch out for, it would be greatly appreciated. I am 22, and want MINUMUM (even better if none) side effects. Please let me know.

Drei
ps If trenabol is such a great product why cant I find any other reviews of it?

Starsky · 04-24-2003, 09:30 PM

Fiat, I thought it was a great article, and agree that its more responsibility and knowledge than age(to a point). I agree you should wait till 20, because of age, but once your past that I think its really based on your maturity and knowledge of the subject. Trenabol-X seems to get mixed reviews, some people say they get incredible results, other say they got 0 results at all, so its hard to say.

10-22-2004, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Drei

Hi guys!
I was doing a lot of reading on PH's. I have never used them before (for fear of sideeffects), so I was doing a bunch of research on them. Seems like most people get great gains. My major concern is the side effects, long term and short term.
Has anyone experienced any? What about with Trenabol-X? I am worried about baldness, acne and last but not the least - my penis shrinking and falling off . Ok joke.
But seriously, if anyone could share their knowledge on what to watch out for, it would be greatly appreciated. I am 22, and want MINUMUM (even better if none) side effects. Please let me know.

Drei
ps If trenabol is such a great product why cant I find any other reviews of it?

Well Let me say this first of all if you are afraid of the "side effects" DO NOT TAKE IT ! But the people that state that very same statement usually do not understand the process of how they work and have not done their homework. There are measures to be taken to prevent "sides" Like first of all if you do not have Nolvadex on hand then forget taking any hormones. If you do not know what Nolvadex is then you should not be taking any supplement in this catagory! End of story. Research, but alas the ban is on its way and it will not be available nuch longer unless you stocked up

10-22-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drei

Hi guys!
I was doing a lot of reading on PH's. I have never used them before (for fear of sideeffects), so I was doing a bunch of research on them. Seems like most people get great gains. My major concern is the side effects, long term and short term.
Has anyone experienced any? What about with Trenabol-X? I am worried about baldness, acne and last but not the least - my penis shrinking and falling off . Ok joke.
But seriously, if anyone could share their knowledge on what to watch out for, it would be greatly appreciated. I am 22, and want MINUMUM (even better if none) side effects. Please let me know.

Drei
ps If trenabol is such a great product why cant I find any other reviews of it?

Well Let me say this first of all if you are afraid of the "side effects" DO NOT TAKE IT ! But the people that state that very same statement usually do not understand the process of how they work and have not done their homework. There are measures to be taken to prevent "sides" Like first of all if you do not have Nolvadex on hand then forget taking any hormones. If you do not know what Nolvadex is then you should not be taking any supplement in this catagory! End of story. Research, but alas the ban is on its way and it will not be available much longer unless you stocked up