Clayton South - De-Criminalize Anabolic Steroids!

**webmaster** · 03-14-2003, 05:33 PM

Learn about anabolic steroids, be a strong representative for our sport by preaching moderation; not abuse, tolerance to opposing viewpoints!

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Anomeley · 03-16-2003, 12:00 PM

Very well written and delivered I'm sure. I always defend the use of AAS in a scientific manner and you have given me more information to be used as ammunition in the future. Society is truly being mislead by the almost "urban legend" status of AAS. I join you in hoping that one day the laws will be relaxed or completely revised. Thanks again for a wonderful article.

ex-banana-eater · 03-16-2003, 02:08 PM

if steroids were legal we would get idiot women and idiot 14 year olds using them all the time. we would have a bunch of idiot adults using them all the time too. they would all get horrible side effects, and then steroids would be illegal again.
think about what legalizing steroids would do to the sport of bodybuilding... everybody would be huge that knows nothing about training or nutrition... it wouldnt be great.

Rydain · 03-17-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by ex-banana-eater
think about what legalizing steroids would do to the sport of bodybuilding... everybody would be huge that knows nothing about training or nutrition... it wouldnt be great.

Steroids won't magically turn you into an Olympia contender any more than coffee will automatically give you great grades on your finals. Coffee will help you stay awake to get more studying done, but you still have to know how to study and put time into learning the material. Likewise, steroids allow you to recover more quickly and help you build more muscle, but a proper diet and intense exercise routine is what will get you freakishly HYOOOOGE. If you haven't been training hard and eating right for a while, steroids won't help you at all.

Clayton South · 03-17-2003, 09:43 AM

Yes I totally agree with the idea that if your training or nutrition programs are not sufficient, steroids will help little in adding new muscle.

One thing i do notice, however, is that on any issue, most people for lack of a better stance, resort to the "well what about the kids?" issue. Am I the only one who is sick of an argument that is non-sense? Everyone here knows that despite the illegalization of marijuana, kids in high school will still smoke it, and we are also aware of how, despite cigarettes being apparently illegal for those underage, smoking among kids is at an all-time high.

Whats more, regardless of the legal status of steroids, many football players in high schools are using them to enhance performance. The point with de-criminalization is that at least if they are de-criminalized steroids will no longer be black market, and thus people will not have to worry about wether or not the stuff they use is real or will give them abcesses because its not sterile. I have seen some steroid fakes that look like the lables were made by a kid in kindergarten! Its pathetic!

The point is that people will not stop using these drugs, and despite the laws in place, if kids want something they WILL find a way around any regulation, law, or rule. Its that simple. At least with de-criminalization an environment will be created that will help eliminate potentially lethal situations. Its a matter of harm-prevention and harm reduction, really.

-Clayton

ex-banana-eater · 03-17-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Rydain
Steroids won't magically turn you into an Olympia contender any more than coffee will automatically give you great grades on your finals. Coffee will help you stay awake to get more studying done, but you still have to know how to study and put time into learning the material. Likewise, steroids allow you to recover more quickly and help you build more muscle, but a proper diet and intense exercise routine is what will get you freakishly HYOOOOGE. If you haven't been training hard and eating right for a while, steroids won't help you at all.

steroids will definitely help if you dont train hard and eat right. I know a guy who knows **** all about nutrition who went on steroids in his teens. all he did was work out once in a while, and eat chips, and gained plenty of muscle from the roids. there ya go..

Anomeley · 03-17-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by ex-banana-eater
steroids will definitely help if you dont train hard and eat right. I know a guy who knows **** all about nutrition who went on steroids in his teens. all he did was work out once in a while, and eat chips, and gained plenty of muscle from the roids. there ya go..

Bro, your talking out of your ass....again

exbananaeater · 03-18-2003, 05:02 PM

whether you like it or not, steroids will help idiots out who dont know how to gain weight. thats why you get these guys on gear who are 150lbs and think they are at their genetic limit yet they work out everyday

**str8flexed** · 03-21-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Anomeley
Bro, your talking out of your ass....again

not really... his statement can be supported anecdotally, and by science...

Steroid hormones work via the following pathway (I assume you can follow most of the science): The steroid enters the cell and binds with a receptor on the nucleus at which point the hormone receptor complex can enter the nucleus... in the nucleus it attatches to a sequence of DNA (just so happens this sequence codes for muscle protein among other things) and acts as a transcription factors and speeds up transcription... thus DNA is transcribed to RNA faster and RNA is translated to protein faster... thus increased protein synthesis rates. Obviously if one trains this effect is amplified. However, when your on as many hormones as some of these guys... it really doesn't matter how you train... they could grow off of a set of leg extensions each week (and from what i have heard and seen this is what some of their workouts are like).

Now not all steriod users are like this... I have several friends on steroids who work out hard, and grow very nicely... but I know just as many who are still pretty big but don't do anything but bench and biceps in the gym... with a few sets of leg extension and occasionally quarter squats thrown in for good measure.

Most people use them as a crutch... there is a class of elites who actually use them but only as an after thought to their diet and training and I commend these people. Steroids aren't for me, neither are prohormones... but I respect anyone that works hard and earns their ****... I don't respect people who need crutches.

Peace

Taturana · 03-24-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by str8flexed
not really... his statement can be supported anecdotally, and by science...

Steroid hormones work via the following pathway (I assume you can follow most of the science): The steroid enters the cell and binds with a receptor on the nucleus at which point the hormone receptor complex can enter the nucleus... in the nucleus it attatches to a sequence of DNA (just so happens this sequence codes for muscle protein among other things) and acts as a transcription factors and speeds up transcription... thus DNA is transcribed to RNA faster and RNA is translated to protein faster... thus increased protein synthesis rates. Obviously if one trains this effect is amplified. However, when your on as many hormones as some of these guys... it really doesn't matter how you train... they could grow off of a set of leg extensions each week (and from what i have heard and seen this is what some of their workouts are like).

Now not all steriod users are like this... I have several friends on steroids who work out hard, and grow very nicely... but I know just as many who are still pretty big but don't do anything but bench and biceps in the gym... with a few sets of leg extension and occasionally quarter squats thrown in for good measure.

Most people use them as a crutch... there is a class of elites who actually use them but only as an after thought to their diet and training and I commend these people. Steroids aren't for me, neither are prohormones... but I respect anyone that works hard and earns their ****... I don't respect people who need crutches.

Peace

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10-12-2005, 07:53 AM

Great Article!!!!!!!!!!!
Look Foward To Seeing More Trueful Facts About Aas Use!!!
Good Work Clayton!

10-12-2005, 01:45 PM

I see no problems with legalizing steroids or any other drugs for that matter. The only caveat being that there is heavy government regulation to ensure quality control standards and that they be heavily taxed to lower my income taxes.

perldog007 · 10-18-2005, 12:55 AM

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Medical use, absolutely. Taking steroids to enhance athletic performance, not even remotely worth considering. What about cocaine for energy, heroin for pain? where do we draw the line. I don't condemn others for their choices, but I will have puny arms and be happy about it before I have puny testicles.

Personally, I just don't think the athletes look as good. I am 44 and diabetic. I don't need viagra, levitra, cialis or whatever. How about that Rafael Palmero?

Reading Arnold's "Encylcopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" I see that photo of him sitting on a stool performing an incredible waist vacum. Now that is a physique. Think the big nasty can do that? ( I am not saying that Arnold is natural or anything, but they apparently used a lot less back then)

I would rather look like the natural bodybuilders I aspire to. The gains from steroids are temporary and the negative side effects are forever.

Back in the eighties, a boxer I knew was managing an apartment complex. A young weightlifter asked him to help with a subcutaneous injection of steroids. My friend complied, not wanting to see youngblood injure himself. The youth asked my older wiser friend why he would not try the steroids. The boxer, in his mid thirties replied "Steroids? I've already got hemmoroids! what if they make them bigger and stronger?!".

One possible point of debate: If people are going to insist on them, they should be legal for safety. Enforcement could then be concentrated on those that would give gear to minors. Those clowns need to ride to prison in the "way back" of the bus.

08-09-2006, 10:38 PM

I find that your views on steriod use to be only narcissistic in nature. Anything wrong in reaching your potential naturally? You paint a pretty picture justifying steriod use, however, you fail to understand human nature regarding the natural drive to be number one.......which leads to abuse.....always has, always will. Landis apparently used steriods to no avail, the type he used gave him no advantage, yet he did. Your justifying the use of steriods sounds just like a drug addicts!

02-08-2007, 12:07 PM

Mj34cfRemember this statement, "just because a blood test shows no signs of abnormality, it does not mean that an abnormality is not being produced".

Trying to compare World War II concentration camp survivors with a healthy individual are like comparing apples to onions, it doesn’t compare.

The human body is an organism that is self sufficient in all aspects of survival. Anytime you introduce a foreign compound (especially an artificial one) into the human body there is always an adverse reaction, even if it cannot be detected at the present time. This is especially true if the compound being introduced into the body is not needed for any specific health reason.
Concentration camp survivors needed the medication; the adverse effects of the drugs were minimal when compared to the life saving benefits they were to receive. Once health was restored the drugs would be stopped.

I've been in the physical health field for 30 years and can tell you most of the guys that started taking a little Dianabol ended up hooked. They usually graduated to Testosterone and other oral steroids. And if you think making steroids legal will all of a sudden have everybody wanting to get monitored by a doctor think again, it won't happen.

Look at it this way. Taking the body past its natural genetic limits for the sake of vanity is really stupid. There really is no benefit, and usually future complications.

In other words they should "GET A LIFE". Bodybuilding is meant to be a means to an end, not an end in it's self.

Power Health Always,
Dan Przyojski